James Harden's defense

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This is a clip of Hardens defense in ONE game. Its not just some highlight real of his bad plays throughout the year which could make many defenders look bad. Its shockingly just one single game.

Harden is beyond horrible. It's crazy how people are talking about him being a superstar player. Is he skilled offensively? Oh you betcha! But he is not a top player in this league in terms of overall effectiveness leading his team to wins. Thats not possible when he is so horrific on the other end of the court. Wes is going to eat him alive on one end of the court. Will it be enough to play him to a draw? Unlikely. But compare that matchup to Terrance Jones guarding Aldridge. Aldrige will score on Jones, but he isn't going to give most of it back on the other end. GO BLAZERS.
 
Put Lillard on Harden, he can do it and everyone should be ready to double. The biggest advantage is Beverley and Parsons would have much harder time against Wes, Nico.
It will surprise them and it could possibly frustrate them, it's worth a shot.
Dame is not bad when given specific assignment 1-on-1, he should consider this a challenge. The only concern could be foul trouble but he would only be asked to stay with him on drives and get a hand in his face on 3s. Dame knows what it takes to interrupt a shooter, he's a shooter himself.
 
This is probably referenced in other threads, but it's glaring how bad this guy is. Dame is bad, but he at least tries. Harden doesn't even feign interest in D.

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I sure hope our coaches and players have seen this video.
 
That video is great. If wes posts up, cuts, and pump fakes he could average 30
 
Didn't you ever read this...It's a similar situation.

Relationships between NBA players and referees were generally all over the board — love, hate, and everything in-between. Some players, even very good ones, were targeted by referees and the league because they were too talented for their own good. Raja Bell, formerly of the Phoenix Suns and now a member of the Charlotte Bobcats, was one of those players. A defensive specialist throughout his career, Bell had a reputation for being a "star stopper." His defensive skills were so razor sharp that he could shut down a superstar, or at least make him work for his points. Kobe Bryant was often frustrated by Bell's tenacity on defense. Let's face it, no one completely shuts down a player of Kobe's caliber, but Bell could frustrate Kobe, take him out of his game, and interrupt his rhythm.

You would think that the NBA would love a guy who plays such great defense. Think again! Star stoppers hurt the promotion of marquee players. Fans don't pay high prices to see players like Raja Bell — they pay to see superstars like Kobe Bryant score 40 points. Basketball purists like to see good defense, but the NBA wants the big names to score big points.

If a player of Kobe's stature collides with the likes of Raja Bell, the call will almost always go for Kobe and against Bell. As part of our ongoing training and game preparation, NBA referees regularly receive game-action video tape from the league office. Over the years, I have reviewed many recorded hours of video involving Raja Bell. The footage I analyzed usually illustrated fouls being called against Bell, rarely for him. The message was subtle but clear — call fouls against the star stopper because he's hurting the game.
If Kobe Bryant had two fouls in the first or second quarter and went to the bench, one referee would tell the other two, "Kobe's got two fouls. Let's make sure that if we call a foul on him, it's an obvious foul, because otherwise he's gonna go back to the bench. If he is involved in a play where a foul is called, give the foul to another player."

Similarly, when games got physically rough, we would huddle up and agree to tighten the game up. So we started calling fouls on guys who didn't really matter — "ticky-tack" or "touch" fouls where one player just touched another but didn't really impede his progress. Under regular circumstances these wouldn't be fouls, but after a skirmish we wanted to regain control. We would never call these types of fouls on superstars, just on the average players who didn't have star status. It was important to keep the stars on the floor.

What does that have to do with anything?
 
Listen, Harden averages around 30 points in the playoffs and when you can do that. You can get away with not playing defense.

I'm not attacking you here, I'm just keeping it 100% honest. This is some of the silliest ish I've heard in this forum and here's why:

What's going to happen when one of our best post players "busts up a chifferobe" on Harden and gets either a score or Harden in foul trouble?

IMHO Stotts needs to exploit Harden in the post with Wesley Matthews. He needs to run 3-5 Wessy Post ups a quarter if you ask me...
 
I'd like to see Harden's man moving without the ball and coming off screens. Harden isn't bad in the post on defense but he is terrible chasing his man around the court. Even if Harden elevates his play on defense during the playoffs having to chase his man will tire Harden. We can have Nic fill in for Wes role with no drop in production, but Houston loses a lot when someone fills in for Harden.

I wholly disagree with this. Harden is a terrible defender all the way around.
 
This!
And I certainly agree with everyone stating that the offense must go through whoever Harden is guarding. I don't give a fuck if Jones is on LMA, run the offense through Harden's man.

This is just silly too. LA averages 25/15 vs Hou and would command a double team when Jones is on him. You've gotta dance with the one that brought you. But this doesn't mean you don't run 3-5 plays for Wes every quarter.
 
Something Stotts would never do but I think could be interesting is having Lillard guard Harden. I think it's worth a try. You put Wesley on Beverly and Nic on Parsons and you make it much harder for them. Harden would get his, anyway, and I actually think he's the type of player Dame can be relatively successful guarding

Sooooooo let's put our worst on the ball defender against their best perimeter player? I'm glad you're not coaching us..
 
I do like how, after someone strolls by him for an easy basket, he raises his hand to say "my bad" . . . good self awareness.
 
I do like how, after someone strolls by him for an easy basket, he raises his hand to say "my bad" . . . good self awareness.

you're misinterpreting what he's doing. He's not admitting guilt of taking ownership of his defense, he's saying "ok, my turn! give me the ball!"
 
Sooooooo let's put our worst on the ball defender against their best perimeter player? I'm glad you're not coaching us..
It's that, and more. Harden is the best in the business at drawing fouls, bullshit and otherwise. You can't put arguably your most valuable asset, and certainly your most valuable guard, on the guy who, with the help of the refs, is going foul him out in 20 minutes.
 
Those clips are hilarious.

I have to believe Harden will pick up his defensive focus in the playoffs. Plus the games are like three days apart, so he won't be tired. It's a matter of effort.

Still, as maxie has pointed out, we need to get into our offense early and make them/him chase us around the court, and after 12-15 seconds of that, we'll have some good looks.
 
This is just silly too. LA averages 25/15 vs Hou and would command a double team when Jones is on him. You've gotta dance with the one that brought you. But this doesn't mean you don't run 3-5 plays for Wes every quarter.
IF (big if) LMA plays in the post, and kicks out when doubled, then sure. But if LMA is going to play his bullshit pick/pop inefficient 18' jump shot game, then we need to use that as a decoy to set up a better shot going through Harden's man (Wes, most likely). Bottom line: if we run our offense through the LMA pick/pop we will lose.
 
IF (big if) LMA plays in the post, and kicks out when doubled, then sure. But if LMA is going to play his bullshit pick/pop inefficient 18' jump shot game, then we need to use that as a decoy to set up a better shot going through Harden's man (Wes, most likely). Bottom line: if we run our offense through the LMA pick/pop we will lose.

It never fucking ends with this one.
 
I like Wes guarding Harden at the beginning. But if foul trouble occurs, I wonder how Claver would do guarding Harden. Claver is deceptively long, smart but maybe too slow footed to guard Harden. I could also see Claver giving Harden fits with his length and who cares if he piles up the fouls.
 
IF (big if) LMA plays in the post, and kicks out when doubled, then sure. But if LMA is going to play his bullshit pick/pop inefficient 18' jump shot game, then we need to use that as a decoy to set up a better shot going through Harden's man (Wes, most likely). Bottom line: if we run our offense through the LMA pick/pop we will lose.
That pick and pop 'bullshit' is by Stotts' design. Hard to blame LaMarcus for Stotts' play calling.
 
Harden and LMA are definitely the Keys to the series. My money's on LA.
 
Sooooooo let's put our worst on the ball defender against their best perimeter player? I'm glad you're not coaching us..

Lillard is better on the ball than in help defense/ team defense.
Guarding Harden is a team effort because not even Nic can contain him fully. And if you put Nic on him it's a full time job and Parsons and Beverly will hurt us and we wouldn't have Nic coming for help on drives and Dame/Wes are not as good help defenders or at doubling and getting back to their man in time.
If I'm the coach I at least give it a try. Dame gets 2 quick fouls or Harden completely burns him again and again and it doesn't seem like he is able to adjust - you move Nic or Wes on Harden. But if Dame is able to even just stay with him it would give us a great advantage.
 
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Lillard is better on the ball than in help defense/ team defense.
Guarding Harden is a team effort because not even Nic can contain him fully. And if you put Nic on him it's a full time job and Parsons and Beverly will hurt us and we wouldn't have Nic coming for help on drives and Dame/Wes are not as good help defenders or at doubling and getting back to their man in time.
If I'm the coach I at least give it a try. Dame gets 2 quick fouls or Harden completely burns him again and again and it doesn't seem like he is able to adjust - you move Nic or Wes on Harden. But if Dame is able to even just stay with him it would give us a great advantage.

So let's start the game with our main guard getting 2 quick fouls. That's so smart. I'm glad Stotts put Batum on him.
 
I sure hope our coaches and players have seen this video.

Once again, Harden's defense compromised the Rockets' efforts, especially early in the game. This comes on the heels of an 11-minute YouTube mixtape titled "James Harden Defensive Juggernaut" that went viral over the weekend, collecting about a quarter-million views in just a few days. The video exposed Harden's serial defensive apathy this season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-140420/daily-dime
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I think it's meant as looking at it like, we know Harden's going to get 30. We know Dwight will get close to 30. So you count 60 there, and then put forth your best defensive effort to make sure the other guys, Jones, Beverely, Parsons, and Lin don't get 40 between them.

The problem with that strategy is the team feeds off the success of Harden and Howard. If they go off, it seems the team goes off and so does the fans. Possibly try that strategy when we are at home. I just wouldn't like to give the fans anything to cheer about.

Last night was quiet. So quiet, you could hear a pin drop. You know your team is doing something right when that is happening.
 
Why I believe you do what you can to shut down Howard and Harden. Mainly Harden if I was to pick one. Howard is a late game nightmare for the coach. Also, Howard is notorious for buckling under pressure, while harden lives for it.

If Portland can force Harden to chase Matthews or anyone guarding him around all game, he must play on both sides of the court. Tiring Harden is beneficial, IMO.
 
The problem with that strategy is the team feeds off the success of Harden and Howard. If they go off, it seems the team goes off and so does the fans. Possibly try that strategy when we are at home. I just wouldn't like to give the fans anything to cheer about.

Last night was quiet. So quiet, you could hear a pin drop. You know your team is doing something right when that is happening.

Harden kept signalling (waving his arms downward) the fans to be quiet, supposedly so that players could hear the coach and each other. The national announcers said that's why you could hear a pin drop.
 
Harden kept signalling (waving his arms downward) the fans to be quiet, supposedly so that players could hear the coach and each other. The national announcers said that's why you could hear a pin drop.

Then you play your game to quiet the crowd without Houston to quiet down. If we want to be champions, this is how champions win. You must win on the road and take their crowd out of the entire series.
 

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