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  1. magnifier661

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    Excuse me?!?! Okay so the government endorses, even orders, the murder of millions of christians; spewing propaganda against religion, ordering anyone with power to renounce religion is not Atheist? WTF you smoking dude????!!! I want some!
     
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    From your own link.

    Their target was religious because it was “the biggest wall at the time that kept people from bowing to the Soviet government.”

    Soviet Government. Not Atheism.

    Now be a good fool and spam some more stuff that doesn't prove your point.
     
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    The government ordered the murder of all kinds of people. It wasn't about religion and atheism. It was about political power and exterminating enemies that were a threat to that power.
     
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    Oh well shit buddy, since its just a wall, Lennon and Stalin were atheists and anyone leading their country must be atheist; then it must be a republican!
     
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    The only fool in this room is you and your reach to defend your faith. Who cares if you have fucking loonies that are atheists?!?! Does that make you a loony? This is my point that you keep failing to see. Every faith, ideology and government have the extremists that make a bad name of what the ideology stands for. And stop being the pot that calls the kettle black. It's really quite simple.
     
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    Your point fails over and over again.

    I'll restate why.

    Stalin and the others were not interested in promoting atheism, they were interested in consolidating political power. The organized church was an obstacle to that. That is why CLERGY were targeted by Stalin. The only point you have is "Christians were among the many millions of people who were targeted by Communist regimes so they could cement their political power." The extermination of people by these brutal dictators was for reasons far beyond religion. How far beyond? Maybe 200,000 killed to harm organized religion, maybe 45,000,000 killed for any reason but religion and atheism.

    Your logic is akin to saying "W was a Christian and a warmonger, so he waged war in the name of Christianity."
     
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    Oh well shit man, we can do away with your "crusades" argument. If it goes your way, then it must equally go in the thesis way.

    A pluralist view of the Crusades has developed in the 20th century inclusive of all papal-led efforts, whether in the Middle East or in Europe.[16] This takes into account the view of the Roman Catholic Church and medieval contemporaries such as Saint Bernard of Clairvaux that gave equal precedence to comparable military campaigns against pagans, heretics and many undertaken for political reasons.

    So if I failed, then you failed...
     
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    And shit, we can strike the Inquisitions out of the generalized christian atrocities too! Thanks Denny!!!! Boy do I love Denny Logic!

    http://www.donquijote.org/culture/spain/history/spanish-inquisition

    The political justification for the Spanish Inquisition was the existence of a threat to the monarchy. The Spanish Christians (Christianity was the most widespread faith) were outraged at the Jews for a variety of reasons, most of them religious, and saw the Spanish Inquisition as a means of controlling the Jewish population, removing the actual source of the problem.
     
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    You got it Denny. When they run society, you will be among the many missing from the welcome list.
    Might be on another list though.
     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
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    So both religions have derogatory terms for "non-believer."

    Thanks for agreeing.
     
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    In context:

    While most historians point to a combination of political, economic and religious motives, the latter were certainly predominant.

    The notorious hatred between Jews and Christians led the inquisitors to believe that their actions actually saved Jews from the hideous fate awaiting them in the underworld; since the Jews were dying at the hands of God's children, their spirits would be pervaded by the wisdom and knowledge of God's followers, and they would therefore be spared from hell and rise to heaven. Of course, this is unconceivable today, but 13th-century inquisitors who had only received a religious education were guided by blind faith.

    I like the blind faith bit how true.
     
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    Oh Denny, you try so hard!

    The word "heathen" used several times in the NT simply means pretty much as the dictionary informs us; "Not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam".

    There are not dissertations on how to treat the heathen with despicable acts. Nothing like Take him in the right hand and cut through the vein of the neck...
    So the usage of Infidel in the Koran and Heathen in the New Testament are not comparable at all. I am surprised by your lack of comprehension. Contrived I think, a business man is rarely so unperceptive.
     
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    Except for the "beat him with a rod" and similar verses in the NT.
     
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    So fucking what?!?! Most of the Communists were Atheists, especially those in power. All you are doing is proving my point.
     
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    Your point is that atheists killed atheists?

    :crazy:
     
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    Again, so fucking what?!?! You argued that the acts of the communist government was a socialist act, but I clearly pointed out the Atheism used to do away with religion. This is no different than a religious power, using government to do away with what they believe is their "wall" as you've expressed earlier.

    I will keep saying this until you get it through your thick skull. Doesn't matter if it's government, religion or atheism; all have had people in the ideology that have used their belief and abused its power.
     
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    Well duh!!! You made a point with Inquisitions, when Catholics (Christians) were killing Protestants (Christians). But the fact remains, that millions of christians died in the name of the Atheist leaders in the communist movement.
     
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    Well, by your logic, drinking milk is used to do away with religion. The relationship between milk and your rationale is equivalent.

    If the Russians decided to kill the 10% poorest of their 100M population, a lot of them would be christians, but not related to their being christian. Thick skull indeed.
     

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