Official JustBBall.Com 2006 Mock Draft

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Diaz has improved his passing this season with 3 dimes a game playing off guard. Diaz doesn't play point guard in Miami's system cause Dennis Clemente and Harris are shoter guards who are known as shoot first PG's. Miami doesn't have any wing players and only one solid big men, so Miami has to play small, and Diaz has to play the 3 or off the ball. To consider he averages 3 assist is impressive.

All you've seen were high lights of Diaz on ESPN, not him in the game.

I see Diaz as a Barbosa type guy who can give you 12 points off the bench with his speed and quickness and jumpshooting.

He is a good combo guard, and thats what the NBA is getting loaded with, because of the new rules, look at Arenas, Wade, Charlie Bell..etc etc etc. Height isn't a turnoff anymore, cause these 6"2-6"3-6"4 guards are proving they can be productive for their teams.

I feel you're looking at 3pt% and declaring Diaz as not a consistant shooter.

Diaz has a an affect mid-range pull up shot if he Hite or Harris can't create their own shot, or if King isn't open in the post. Diaz has a great stroke, great elevation, terrific quick release, and great high arching shot on his jumper, he's hard to block consider for a 6"2 Combo guard.

I feel you guys lean on stats to match and to basketball. Miami dribbles the ball too much with guys like Harris and Hite who aren't pass first guards, so Diaz had to force up alot of 3's this season, he's a much better shooter than 36%.

Diaz is one of the most atheletic players in the draft, he's going to get alot of attention from teams, especially with the sucesses of those combo guards I listed.</div>
Don't assume that I haven't watched Diaz this year, because I've had the oppurtunity to and I've been unimpressed. Games against Temple and Louisville stand out, where a pesky defender took him out of his game. And I've seen him effectively neutralized by a simple zone defense. His passing still isn't good enough to make up for his lack of height. You compare him to Barbosa, but I still don't see the comparison outside of their quickness and atheticism. Barbosa has better shooting, defense, courtvision, and rebounding. Diaz has some skills at those aspects, but not nearly enough to compensate for his lack of height.

Height isn't a turnoff in the NBA if a player has the other skills to make up for the lack of height. He'll need a 3 pt. shot like Arenas. Or the passing skills of Wade or Bell. Or the defense of Gordon. There are so many examples of short players like Diaz who couldn't make it in today's NBA, because they were too one-dimensional.

 

Anybody mention Yi? I would be surprised if he didn't go lottery, yet hardly anyone is showing him on thier draft board.

...and Dee Brown is first round talent.

-Yup just saw it, never mind.

 

The format of the draft looks really good, the worst pick I see you made is Bobby Jones at 17, no way he will even be a first round pick. Everyone has there own opinion on mock drafts so you really cant say everything you need.

 

Awesome mock draft guys for a tough one to predict, especially this early. There's a ton of Small Forwards jammed at the top of the draft board and I think you guys rated them nicely. Dee Brown to the Rockets in round 2 would be a steal for them, I can see him going a little higher.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">We completed the draft prior to Leon Powe and Marcus Williams declaring. They will both be in our updated mock. Marcus Slaughter was on the bubble and Brandon Heath said he's closer to returning back to San Diego State.
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When does the updated mock come out?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't assume that I haven't watched Diaz this year, because I've had the oppurtunity to and I've been unimpressed. Games against Temple and Louisville stand out, where a pesky defender took him out of his game. And I've seen him effectively neutralized by a simple zone defense. His passing still isn't good enough to make up for his lack of height. You compare him to Barbosa, but I still don't see the comparison outside of their quickness and atheticism. Barbosa has better shooting, defense, courtvision, and rebounding. Diaz has some skills at those aspects, but not nearly enough to compensate for his lack of height.

Height isn't a turnoff in the NBA if a player has the other skills to make up for the lack of height. He'll need a 3 pt. shot like Arenas. Or the passing skills of Wade or Bell. Or the defense of Gordon. There are so many examples of short players like Diaz who couldn't make it in today's NBA, because they were too one-dimensional.</div>


You've watched his two worst games of the season. Two only? Your opinion of him is still weak. That happends to many colllege players where they have an off night, it happends to the best. So throw that out the window.

His passive has improved, I saw him 11 games this season, he doesn't look lost playing off guard, driving the basket and creating clear jumpshots for his teammates. He has the ability to create shots for himself and his teammates.

He's 6"2 with a 42 inch vertical leap, he plays bigger than most guards, stop talking about the height thing, it isn't irrevelant. I've showed you atheletic guards are sucessful in the NBA.

Barbosa and Diaz are the same defenders, quick, pesky and have good work on defense. Please, people told me before Barbosa didn't have enough PG skills and enough defense to play in the NBA, and now he's one of the top bench players in the NBA. This where I see Diaz can excel his level. Diaz is a better rebounder than Barbosa, you're just being random now. Barbosa doesn't play around the close range. Barbosa plays off guard like Diaz, Diaw and Nash handle the 1 and are used for their courtvision. If you believe Barbosa is known as a head ups PG, then you're really taking other L. Barbosa has his head down when he's on the fast break. My boy goes full speed to the basket. Watch him play, it helps.


Raja Bell is known for his defense and 3pt shooter, not his passing skills, Raja Bell can handle the ball cause he doesn't turn it over. Pat Riley loves Guillermo, the same reason he loved Wade. If you're going to deny Riley's eye for talent, you might as well live in your own world. Diaz doesn't turn it over alot consider his 3 assist a game. 3/2 is very good. Now Ben Gordon plays defense? There goes another L. I excepted "Ben Gordon has better shooting" But damn, atleast "Dribble' You said DEFENSE. The main reason why Gordon doesn't get 40 minutes a game is his turnovers, defense and stamia, where you been at?

 

Anyone else see Pittsnogle going that late? and personally I think Aldridge will be #1 still. Great mock though, even if it is a little outdated.

>j<

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">You've watched his two worst games of the season. Two only? Your opinion of him is still weak. That happends to many colllege players where they have an off night, it happends to the best. So throw that out the window.</div>
I said those two games stand out. Stand out against what? Stand out against other games that I've watched. I've seen about 4-5 of his games this year. Obviously not as many as you have, but enough to form a decent opinion about his game. I referenced those games, because I thought they were a good example of the limitations in his game. They weren't just bad games for him. The other teams took him out of his game with simple defensive adjustments.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">His passive has improved, I saw him 11 games this season, he doesn't look lost playing off guard, driving the basket and creating clear jumpshots for his teammates. He has the ability to create shots for himself and his teammates.</div>
I didn't say his passing hasn't improved, but you can't deny that it hasn't improved as much as most scouts and observers would have liked or expected. I still don't think he's a good enough passer to offset his lack of height.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">He's 6"2 with a 42 inch vertical leap, he plays bigger than most guards, stop talking about the height thing, it isn't irrevelant. I've showed you atheletic guards are sucessful in the NBA.</div>
You've shown me that athletic guards, who have significant skills to offset their height, are successful in the NBA. Diaz IMO doesn't have that other aspect of his game that guards like Wade and Arenas have used shown to become successful.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Barbosa and Diaz are the same defenders, quick, pesky and have good work on defense. Please, people told me before Barbosa didn't have enough PG skills and enough defense to play in the NBA, and now he's one of the top bench players in the NBA. This where I see Diaz can excel his level. Diaz is a better rebounder than Barbosa, you're just being random now. Barbosa doesn't play around the close range. Barbosa plays off guard like Diaz, Diaw and Nash handle the 1 and are used for their courtvision. If you believe Barbosa is known as a head ups PG, then you're really taking other L. Barbosa has his head down when he's on the fast break. My boy goes full speed to the basket. Watch him play, it helps.</div>
OK, Diaz and Barbosa do have the same skillset as players, but Barbosa was on a different level coming into the league than Diaz. I don't think Diaz's game is matured or well-rounded enough to sneak into the first round like Barbosa did. Of course there's the potential that he can improve in the League. And for the record, I'm not suggesting that I don't think Diaz will survive in the NBA. But he isn't anything other than a early-mid (more likely mid) 2nd round prospect at this point.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Raja Bell is known for his defense and 3pt shooter, not his passing skills, Raja Bell can handle the ball cause he doesn't turn it over. Pat Riley loves Guillermo, the same reason he loved Wade. If you're going to deny Riley's eye for talent, you might as well live in your own world. Diaz doesn't turn it over alot consider his 3 assist a game. 3/2 is very good. Now Ben Gordon plays defense? There goes another L. I excepted "Ben Gordon has better shooting" But damn, atleast "Dribble' You said DEFENSE. The main reason why Gordon doesn't get 40 minutes a game is his turnovers, defense and stamia, where you been at?</div>
I was talking about Charlie Bell, not Raja. You brought him up first.

The Pat Riley argument was just really bad logic.

I suppose I should've mentioned Gordon's shooting instead, but at least you showed that you're getting my point. Diaz is lacking that other great skill, like Gordon's shooting or dribble, to offset his height.


Honestly, its really tiring and annoying to respond to your posts. I suggest we just agree to disagree.

 

Anyone ever hear of a Marcus Slaughter?

I'm close to 99 percent certain that we are going to use our pick on him. We've been talking about him during this season and i'd be surprised if we dont pick him up.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post"></div>

I don't know how to do the quote thing you did...so I'll just respond to your statements sentence by sentence.

Now its 4-5? 1-2 and 4-5, it seems like you keep changing your mind on how many games you've watched Diaz.


What scouts? People have clearly stated his passing has improved, and he's become more a basketball player than an athelete.

Your opinion of Guillermo Jose Diaz is 1-2 games.

"Bad logic"? You can't accept what Pat Riley said? When I say "bad logic", don't re-use it cause I said it, and if you're going to re-use it, use it properly. Atleast I can know you learned something. Pat Riley is one of the best basketball minds in the world, and is a huge fan of Diaz. There is no question Diaz's game translate to the NBA style. He plays big for a guard, can penatrate create shots for himself and his teammates, is a solid defender, he has a good pull up mid range shot, and is a threat from long range. Diaz will fall to 25-35. Before Diaz had the knee injury last season, the guy was projected top 10...there is no question this kid's potential is very high and its just up to him to be a hard worker.

Diaz played one year in the Big East, and 2 years in ACC. Do you even know what league Barbosa was from? How would you know he was on a different level than Diaz. I honestly feel you're randomly stating things about the list of Off guards I listed, since you believed off guards can't survive in the NBA. Stick to your agruement.

You said Gordon can play defense, that really took away your credibility about the player of Ben Gordon. Diaz is known as an excellent shooter/dribbler. How does he beat people off the dribble then and have a good assist to turnover ratio.

I just said, if you're going to say something I'm all here to listen and learn from you. But it disappoints me when I hear things like Ben Gordon plays defense, height plays a factor in the NBA, all these statements that lack alot of sense. I look foward to the post here. But if I come in here saying a guy like James White should be the number one overall pick, I should atleast expect to be corrected. I didn't know you would be so suprised that you got corrected. Can't do anything else if you catch feelings and feel annoyed.

 

Yeea I'm too lazy to quote your whole response too.

When did I ever say that I had only watched 1-2 games of Guillermo Diaz? I mentioned two games that I saw, and I said that they stood out. That implies that they stood out from other games that I saw. When I said 4-5, it was the only time I actually specified how many games I saw. Simple English.

Did I say his passing hasn't improved? I said it hasn't improved as much as expected or needed for him to be a legit 1st round prospect.

My opinion can't be dismissed that easily. You actually have to read it if you want to argue.

I just re-read your other post, and you didn't say bad logic once. And that came out of my head anyway. How isn't it bad logic?: "Pat Riley says this. Therefore you should say this." Obviously everybody doesn't agree with Pat Riley about Diaz because he isn't expected to be in the 1st round.

You don't even address my argument the rest of the post. You just nitpick on the details and examples and think that you've won. Just leave it man, this discussion's going nowhere.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't even address my argument the rest of the post. You just nitpick on the details and examples and think that you've won. Just leave it man, this discussion's going nowhere.</div>

I think that really sums up the Diaz argument that's been going on throughout this thread.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone else see Pittsnogle going that late? and personally I think Aldridge will be #1 still. Great mock though, even if it is a little outdated.</div>

I actually think #36 is a little generous. In fact, I can't think of many reputable mock drafts out there who actually have him in the first round at this point. Many have him barely clinging on to the second round. He just doesn't have an NBA skill set. His statistics and abilities were a bit overblown at West Virginia because their system fit his strengths so well; it allowed him to hang around the perimeter on offense, which in turn led to a lot of long rebounds, and on defense, West Virginia's zone kept him from really being exploited, but on the next level he probably doesn't have the lateral quickness to defend the typical power forward.

As for our mock being outdated, it had to be, because of the time it took to write our explanations, but it was not that out of date. It's accurate enough. We've got a new one in the works, and we'll make sure it's current and up-to-date when we finish. Shapecity and I both have busy schedules and have other projects on JBB, but if I had to project a release date, I'd predict it'll be out in 1-3 weeks.

 

Good mock, but i think that the Raptors would definetely pick Randy Foye over Bargnani any day. The Raps already have two very very good bigs in CB4 and CV31, and it certainly is not a position of need, especially when you consider how many Europeans have come to the NBA with big expectaion and flopped (tshvikhi and hoffa to name a couple). The Raptors are going to probably pick up one of Nene, Przybilla or Magloire in the off season to solidify the centre spot. That said, pg will definetely be a postion of need as Calderon has looked solid but not great so far, and Mike James being extremely over rated (Which Colangelo and most Raps fans probably recognize). Drafting Foye will give us a solid pg, with great range, good defense and most importantly someone who will share the ball unlike Mike. A starting line up of Foye, Peterson, Charlie, Chris and Nene/Przybilla/Magloire will certainly get the Raps back to thr playoffs quicly.

 

hoffa is not european player

many european players flopped... but many american players flopped (or flopped more)

 

Hey im a big UCLA fan do any of you guys see arron afflalo or jordan farmar goin in the first round because the said if the first round is not a guarantee they would return to school.