Wow what a game for Dunleavy coming of the bench with aggressiveness both offensively and defensively, great help out D on Bosh. Don't get me wrong he still is not a great defender but man if he had that effort on D everynight, he wouldn't be dogged so much. Biendrens man he's starting to look more and more like a steal. Not your typical center but who is nowadays other than Shaq and Ming. Ellis what can you say other than a gift for the Warriors a real gem. more impressive win to me than the Pistons due to injuries and the great comeback by the Warriors. This team is starting to jell I know its early butgot to love the effort and high FG percentage so far.
Impressive win. After giving up 62 pts, including 41 pts in 2nd quarter, we only allowed 37 pts in 2nd half. Seems like Biedrins is really improving each day, Dunleavy had the best game in this season, and Baron stepped up when it counts. I won't say this team is turning the corner, because we also started 13-6 last year. But, it's certainly a good time to be a Warriors fan...
Did not saw the game but I like this part GS 8:06 Andris Biedrins made 1st of 2 Free Throws GS 8:06 Andris Biedrins made 2nd of 2 Free Throws TOR 7:51 Rasho Nesterovic missed Jump Shot, Blocked by Andris Biedrins GS 7:46 Defensive Rebound by Andris Biedrins GS 7:36 Baron Davis made Dunk Shot, Assist Anthony Roberson TOR 7:13 Offensive foul on Fred Jones GS 7:02 Monta Ellis missed Jump Shot GS 6:58 Offensive Rebound by Andris Biedrins GS 6:57 Andris Biedrins made Jump Shot TOR 6:55 Full Timeout Makes me lough when I remember Monty saying in preseason that Foyle is his starting center and Biedrins can't do nothing about it lol I love Nelie
Yeah, that one hand freethrow shooting seems to work out so far. I used to remember one hand freethrow from Gatling and Alexander. But, I never expected that from Biedrins as well . 4-6 FT, and now 53% ft. Getting better... BTW, can we go to East? I know West usually slaughtered East in last few years, and many Eastern teams are visiting Western teams, but West is 22-10 against East?
If Monty thought Foyle was his starting center he was asking to lose. He of all people should have known you can't play motion offense or any offense with a center that doesn't catch or can't make layups or dunks of all things. Now Biedrins does have big foul trouble and a tendency to miss more than half of his free throws and that's one major reason why he shouldn't start. But if Pryzbilla got the nod for the Blazers, Antoine Walker is allowed to shoot that many threes and miss that many free throws, Biedrins should have a chance to prove himself because his game does have impact like those other players with big liabilities. Defensively we need somebody in the middle to pick the energy up. Foyle is no longer that player we loved in 2001-2002 season. It's only because Foyle does particularly well off the bench and Dampier sucked that much for us when we needed something from him. His timing was so bad. Also, if we were in the East, I think we'd be on par with the Wizards some. Maybe... just maybe. Arenas playing 80 games is better than Baron playing 60. Plus as bad as Jamison can be on D, that team has center depth and a shooting guard can that actually can dribble and pass it. That was Larry Hughes, but they've got some decent guys now. Antonio Daniels is solid. Can Deshawn Stevenson dribble and pass okay? Anyway, I'm rambling. The Wizards have seemed more complete than us ever since we lost Dampier. Nobody is crying over losing Dampier, but he was clearly better than Foyle and he was the biggest source of impact in 2003. Biedrins right now is doing what Dampier did for us when Dampier was getting those double doubles and stops at the rim. Forget Murphy doubles, it's all about defensive players getting those putbacks and stuffs at the rim. We don't need softies shooting outside jumpers and then grabbing the defensive rebounds when the other four guys make a stop. When Murphy finally started playing some help D, his rebounding went down. He needs to do it both, but I'm afraid he's too slow for that. Guys like Ak47 and Ben Wallace are everywhere because they are athletic and quick and hard nosed. Murphy is just hard nosed. He's solid, but that's all he'll ever be and it's not enough if we can't find a power forward or center to compliment him. It's too hard.
Well nite guys. BTW congrats to unsung hero, Mike Dunleavy Jr. He didn't suck that badly tonight! He was one of the reason we won. I hate him taking transition threes because he usually gets these long awful misses where we get scored on immediately going the other way. I swear those missed threes have us backpedalling trying to defend a 3 on 2 or 3 on 1.
Baron was killing us in the 1st half but I give him credit for 12 assists and coming through in the 4th. J-Rich goes 4 for 13, 1 for 6 from inside the 3 pt arc? That's an all-star shooting guard? No. That's an awful effort. He needs to be shooting inside the arc, not outside. Monta is a gift and thank goodness for the Arenas rule (we keep rights to 2nd round draft picks.) His quickness has not been seen around here in a long time. That coupled with his lack of "look at me attitude" is so refreshing. dunleavy was the only reason the Warriors were in the game in the first half. 8 rebounds too.
<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Monta is a gift and thank goodness for the Arenas rule (we keep rights to 2nd round draft picks.) His quickness has not been seen around here in a long time. That coupled with his lack of "look at me attitude" is so refreshing. </div> Too bad we don't have the "Mullin is an idiot" rule. The Arenas rule doesn't help us much when we're almost at luxury tax. Mullin better find a way to sign Ellis and Biedrins. I think this game showed us how valuable Ellis and Biedrins really are to this team.
Interesting video clip btw. It's Brian Colangelo trying to get M. Williams in draft day. Got it from ESPN, Bill Simmons column... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QibGO_QKzQE
The Toronto win was all about Nellie-once there was foul trouble just making it wierd and confusing for the raps who are not polished or well coached. He dared them to focus on Bosh-and they took the bait-but our micro-ball lineup was all over the place-and Bosh could not put the ball on the floor to move in and get the close shot. So he gets 22 but not high %. He gets what seems like 70 rbds-but we are popping 3's. Our D looks like crud except for Beans-but they only hit 40%. The Beans-free lineup with Dun as "point center" should have been a pure fiasco-and yet we lost ground---but not a lot...just bought time. Back come Ellis and Beans and the kiddie core just plays at a whole new level. By then Bosh is getting tired,TJ Ford and Mo Pete did little-so it was guys like Calderon and Fred Jones trying to hang on. Nellie just pulled out a lot of odd stuff-so the poor Raps had no Idea WTF we were doing. Usually I didn't either.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Too bad we don't have the "Mullin is an idiot" rule. The Arenas rule doesn't help us much when we're almost at luxury tax. Mullin better find a way to sign Ellis and Biedrins. I think this game showed us how valuable Ellis and Biedrins really are to this team.</div> We certainly will not let the lux tax stand in the way of keeping Ellis+ Biedrens. The problem will only arise if the Nellie switch was to flop,and we turn out worse. Mullin has indications he CAN go past the Lux Tax..though with some sanity. Progress and winning could be what decides how far past he's free to go.
<div class="quote_poster">REREM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nellie just pulled out a lot of odd stuff-so the poor Raps had no Idea WTF we were doing. Usually I didn't either.</div>I know what you mean, I have to do a lot of checking during the game to see who is playing where and what the team is trying to do at any given time. I was looking at a depth chart that ESPN had on the Warriors and thinking "This is all wrong. How the heck can you even make a depth chart on the Warriors right now?" One thing that was very noticable in the second half in this game was that this team gets into brief intense spurts of stifling team defense. Every one on the floor gets into it and you have sudden intense energy, strings of steals, blocks, deflected passes, fast breaks, and opposing turnovers for the other team like the Raps did. If they could only sustain those streaks for a little longer.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Too bad we don't have the "Mullin is an idiot" rule. The Arenas rule doesn't help us much when we're almost at luxury tax. Mullin better find a way to sign Ellis and Biedrins. I think this game showed us how valuable Ellis and Biedrins really are to this team.</div> "Mullin is an idiot rule." LOL. The Knicks could use that too.
I still feel bad for Nelson. Beating the Raptors isn't anything to gloat about. He still doesn't have the kind of reliable roster where you can trim it down to 8 dudes, the player to player chemistry is a lot smoother and every player is consistent to a certain degree. Our young guys are excellent for their ages, but experience does count for something or else Biedrins and Ellis would have already known what you can and can't do in terms of defense and avoiding foul trouble. Still, I like the fact Nelson is geared towards playing an unconventional way and he'll call somebody out to test them.
YEah Mullin you idiot you should have drafted ARujo or Luke Jackson instead of biedrins then we wouldnt have to worry about luxury tax. What a moron. Oh yeah those guys were drafted ahead of Biedrins, hmmm. And you moron, man we need a rule about you, dammit, how dare you draft Monta Ellis when Roko ukic and erazem lorbek were available. What a moron you are. And to think you could have avoided this whole mess if you just drafted those guys, we do need an idiot rule.
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">YEah Mullin you idiot you should have drafted ARujo or Luke Jackson instead of biedrins then we wouldnt have to worry about luxury tax. What a moron. Oh yeah those guys were drafted ahead of Biedrins, hmmm. And you moron, man we need a rule about you, dammit, how dare you draft Monta Ellis when Roko ukic and erazem lorbek were available. What a moron you are. And to think you could have avoided this whole mess if you just drafted those guys, we do need an idiot rule.</div> Nobody is calling him an idiot over his choice of draft picks. It's the rest of his GM game. I don't know how many times we went over this... The team budget + luxury tax affects whether we can or can't keep our own picks. Look at Joe Johnson. If other teams overpay for our rookies, there is no way we can match with our heavy contracts. That is Mullin's fault and he should have thought about the future before committing over 220 mil or whatever's amount of contracts in one season for the next six years when the Warriors weren't a playoff team to begin with. Isiah Thomas drafts well, Mullin drafts well, but they have to do more than that to be a good GM or else they can't keep their picks or actually build a functional, working team. The worst possible blunder he could have made was building a team for the halfcourt, getting a college coach to run a motion offense in halfcourt, getting no center or non dribble penetrating point guards to operate in that halfcourt, and then finding out that it's a running team a season after because our best players like to run. Isn't that silly to lock up players with guaranteed salaries no team will want right now because of the length and amount? I mean we sure have a lot of expensive placeholders if we eventually wanted to become a halfcourt team someday. Mullin should have waited on everybody outside of Jrich because he didn't know what he had. Leaping in before checking things out is not what a rookie GM with salary space should do. Plus, he overblew the market price on our slowpokes. So stop with the draft arguments for the millionth time because it's not the point. Nobody said he was an idiot for drafting big, it's about his team vision, his abilty put talent together that fits, and longterm planning with budget and the player market.
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">YEah Mullin you idiot you should have drafted ARujo or Luke Jackson instead of biedrins then we wouldnt have to worry about luxury tax. What a moron. Oh yeah those guys were drafted ahead of Biedrins, hmmm. And you moron, man we need a rule about you, dammit, how dare you draft Monta Ellis when Roko ukic and erazem lorbek were available. What a moron you are. And to think you could have avoided this whole mess if you just drafted those guys, we do need an idiot rule.</div> LOL, re-read my post dude, you obviously missed my point. What good is it to have fantastic draft picks if we're at luxury cap? Mullin shot himself in the foot by signing Dunleavy, Foyle, and Murph to ridiculous contracts.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LOL, re-read my post dude, you obviously missed my point. What good is it to have fantastic draft picks if we're at luxury cap? Mullin shot himself in the foot by signing Dunleavy, Foyle, and Murph to ridiculous contracts.</div> He's always missing the point. We talked about this last time when he called my posts ridiculous and comical. We went over about not "jumping to conclusions" over user comments and also about "asking questions to clarify things"... man... Right now the pressure is on Mullin because timing is an issue and so is Cohan's ability to spend more than he can afford. Cohan is not the richest owner in the league and he's got a way smaller budget than other super wealthy owners. It sucks to have a large market team owned by a guy who can't afford to take a hit for a season or two. But we'll see... If Cohan saves the day and spends money in the right places we have to talk good about him. But right now, it's all about balance and finding a team, rather than two players that don't fit together and aren't tradeable because of guaranteed large salary, contract length, and how that player fits other teams who are looking for certain position on the market. I suppose we could argue Murphy is like a Mehmet Okur-lite, but he's got to average more post-ups and shotblocks first. I'm not a fan of Okur's defense, but he's got more versatility in his offense game as a center and he's got the ability to alter shots better if he's not being beaten badly. Still.. how come we couldn't trade him to upgrade our Baron/Jrich roster? He just doesn't fit their games IMO. Oh well, at least we didn't settle for Al Harrington. I don't know how that might have turned out... if we end up losing more players and paying the same.
Harrington + Nellie, yikes. Let's not forget that debacle avoided. I know Harrington was envisioned with Monty not Nellie but what a disaster that would have been.
