<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'>Pats original post more or less said that it is tough to catch passes when your QB is running around in circles. That may or may not still win games, but it won't make Price elite.</div> Thank you..I tried sticking to the topic
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want to waste my time with someone who uses the comments whores of media and thinks he/she is a football guardian. you don't know what your talking about and you don't have any facts to back it up. I rather argue with BF1 than you. He at least is intresting to debate with. Annoying but he stays to the point. Vick wins games. numbers are the most overrated thing in football.</div> You claim that I don't know what I'm talking about and have no facts to back it up, but anyone who reads the thread "The INDISPUTABLE Truth about Michael Vick" will see that I have formed clear and articulate arguments regarding Michael Vick's shortcomings and I backed them up with statistics. I cannot be held accountable for readers who do not have the literary acuity to keep up with my posting prowess. The TRUTH is that you only say that numbers are the most overrated thing in football is because they don't support the pro-Vick argument. (Hmmm. Isn't pro-Vick an oxymoron?) No one has made a pro-Vick defense that has gone beyond the nebulous "Vick wins games." Anyone care to explain how a QB with poor passing skills is such a great player and is solely responsible for the Falcons' success? Anyone care to back that up with facts? Anyone care to make a pro-Vick argument that DOESN"T use the nebullous phrase "Vick is a proven winner?" The whores of media know that if they keep repeating the same lies about Michael Vick being a superstar that a segment of the population will buy those lies hook, line and sinker. I will NOT sleep in their beds. Edit - Sorry to continue the Vick-QB debate here, but Vick's inability to throw consistantly is an element of the story behind Peerless Price's numbers. If anyone cares to make a response of substance to this post, please drag the argument back to "The INDISPUTABLE Truth about Michael Vick."
You don't want to quit do you. 1. numbers are overrated. You must be retarded if you think they are a big part of football 2. Vick is a huge part of why the win games. 3. Vick wins games and is a huge part of it. not the only. where have I or anyone said he is the only. 4. He is 25 and has potential to get better. 5. All you state for you facts are Whores of the Media,Football guardian, Vick only threw for 2000 yards. 6. you continue to say the samething over.
Vick wins alot of games. Brady wins a lots of games. What i was trying to say is that they have two different styles but both win football games
[quote name='porky88']You don't want to quit do you. 1. numbers are overrated. You must be retarded if you think they are a big part of football[/quote] Actually football games are decided by the score, which last time I checked they were, GASP, numbers! [quote name='porky88']2. Vick is a huge part of why the win games.[/quote] Not the way you talk about Vick, you say HE wins games, not Atlanta. Not sure if you remember, but the Falcons were only 4 ranks below Philadelphia, a defense good enough to shut down the great Michael Vick. They also had some good players on the offensive side of the ball, if you could name any besides Michael Vick you might know that. [quote name='porky88']3. Vick wins games and is a huge part of it. not the only. where have I or anyone said he is the only.[/quote] 1."He plays QB and they win games that is all I care about." -You 2."Vick wins games" -You 3."Mike Vick is a winner" -You 4."2002 with Vick 9-6-1 1-1 in playoffs 2003 without vick 3-11 with vick 2-0 2004 with Vick 11-5" -You 5."If Vick does get hurt though the Falcons season might and probably will go down the drain." -You 6."So you would sacrifice a winning record for Price to have a 1000 yard year with Doug Johnson. That is what it sounds like. You seem to be very confused." -You You basically just said there, and there, and in all 6 of those examples that without Vick the team would not post a winning record. Sounds like you belive Vick is the whole team to me [quote name='porky88']4. He is 25 and has potential to get better.[/quote] "The fact is Vick has a lot of potetial." -You No, that is NOT a fact. How can you measure potential? How can you predict a players success? If we could, there would be no such thing as Kordell Stewart [quote name='porky88']5. All you state for you facts are Whores of the Media,Football guardian, Vick only threw for 2000 yards.[/quote] Actually, statisctics are facts. I don't (nor does anyone else) understand what you want as facts. Numbers are facts, you ditz [quote name='porky88']6. you continue to say the samething over.[/quote] 1."hmmmmmmmm" -You 2."hmmmmmmmmmmmm" -You 3."hmmmmmmmmmm" -You 4."hmmmmmmmm" -You 5."hmmmmmmmmmm" -You All those hmm's, in only two posts. If we say the same thing over and over, then what do you do? My final thought; Until Michael Vick wins a SB with his inability to pass, I will never stand behind him as an a good QB. The FACT is there are about 50 other guys on the team, the FACT is he is not anywhere close to McNabb in Culpepper when they were this young, the FACT is he beat the Rams in the playoffs, but another FACT is once he stepped into Philly he got his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Yea, he got to the NFC Title game, but on one of the leauge's easiest schedules. Plus the Rams were a team lucky to get in the playoffs to begin with.
A quick point of order to our newer members: debate the topic, not the people. Another poster may piss you off, but don't call them names. If you ever have questions about what is acceptable conduct and unacceptable, you can contact me. The veteran members of the board know these rules and should also be following them... Regarding Vick, I think the argument is quite simple. - As a team, Atlanta has faired pretty well recently - As a QB, Vick has not put up typical QB numbers - Vick is a unique talent whose value at QB is a debatable subject - Vick is obviously not causing Atlanta to lose, but is he the reason they are winning? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>When the Vikings lost in the NFC Title game in 2000 I don't remember people saying throw out Culpepper.</div> There are still people here in Minnesota who think Culpepper is the reason the Vikings can't seem to win. After the title game there were a lot of people who blamed Culpepper. Big thread...haven't had time to read the entire thing....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you pulled the gerbil out get that wheel running again</div> That's funny stuff in a Looney Toons kind of way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kcgsc)</div><div class='quotemain'>[q]you pulled the gerbil out get that wheel running again[/q] That's funny stuff in a Looney Toons kind of way.</div> I couldn't help it..
Wow I said Vick wins games. I never said Vick wins games alone. May I ask how old dolfan and Brian Westbrooke are because it sounds like all they have to do is take shots at people because they have a different opinion. Sounds like something I used to do when I was 12. I see you guys don't stop but how about this. Instead of "fighting" over and over about and saying the same crap over and over we simply wait until the season. I have said many times this year will tell us a lot about Mike Vick the QB.
Let me ask you a queston why was ben roethsberger so good last year? because he won games. He only passed for 300 more yards, but vick beats him in total yards by 300 yards. So both won a lot of games but two different ways.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (panthersare#1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Let me ask you a queston why was ben roethsberger so good last year? because he won games. He only passed for 300 more yards, but vick beats him in total yards by 300 yards. So both won a lot of games but two different ways.</div> Well put there is more than 1 way to win a game. Vick uses his legs. Big Ben his arm but mostle abilty to manage a game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He only passed for 300 more yards,</div> In two less games than Vick played. And he had fewer interceptions. And more TD passes and total TDs. His QB rating was 20 points higher than Vick's and his completion percentage was 10% higher. Vick fumbled 16 times. Roethlisberger fumbled twice. Big Ben was also sacked 16 less times. Face it...Roethlisberger had a really good year last year. Especially if you compare him to Vick.
Again stats are overrated. It's all about the W. Yes both QB's are winners but because Vick isn't putting up "numbers at QB" doesn't mean people need to ride him off as a QB. Which some of you have seemed to do and if you ride him off as a QB why keep arguing with people who still believe he can do good in the NFL as a QB. No one has really proven a point to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>If Brett Favre or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning QB'ed the Falcons last year, how would they have done?</div> If AJ Feely, Josh McGowan, or Tim Rattay played QB for the Falcons last year how would of they done?
Micheal Vick isnt a traditional QB, you just cant look at his passing, you have to consider his unbelieble running also
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>If Brett Favre or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning QB'ed the Falcons last year, how would they have done?</div> If AJ Feely, Josh McGowan, or Tim Rattay played QB for the Falcons last year how would of they done?</div> Falcons would have made playoffs and lost to eagles with feeley and rattay. I dont know who Mcgowan is.
Josh Mcowan or however you spell that name. If that is what you believe all the power to you but I think they go 6-10 with those QB's.
