Politics Ukraine / Russia

USA has given some important stuff like the cluster shells and HIMARs but Europe has given much more of the every day equipment needed for a war.

 

Do you give Trump the same grace?

I don't know why any human being with a capacity for brain function would judge a video by its title. I've already done the work for you. I can tell you're not very serious about your argument.

A lobbyist who everyone agrees controls most of Congress.

How is that a relevant question? Was it another country who is responsible for ending federal agencies?

There is stronger support for Medicare for all but you're not likely to see that passed anytime soon. I don't really care if people support it or not, all I'm saying is that they should be playing by the same rules.

All that useless typing just to find the same conclusion I and millions of Americans have come to. It's good to have you.

 

You're welcome to look at AIPAC's website yourself. 65% would still be too much. There's no other foreign entity that has control of us like that. Seems we're being super selective about thinking which control is good and bad.

The specific problem is our laws allowing that foreign money to invade our political system exclusive to Israel. That's pretty obvious to anyone who takes a moment to think about. But keep worrying about Russia who doesn't spend anywhere close to the money Israel does on our politics.

 

No, I have said repeatedly. We need to change our system to prevent this happening at all. Not just specific changes directed at Israel. They need to play by the same rules as everybody else.

All excess control (meaning more control than the average voter) by foreign entities and oligarchs is bad.

I've seen no evidence that other billionaire lobbies and countries have not donated to 65% of sitting congressional representatives. I would be surprised if they had not. Because that is what our system encourages.

Our representatives literally spend dozens of hours and hours per week directly calling these lobbies and PACs asking for financial support, as mandated by the DNC and RNC.

 

The absence of evidence is not evidence. Foreign lobbies are not allowed to operate the same way Israel does. That is why this is uniquely an Israel issue. Oligarchs controlling our elections is bad enough. We shouldn't have foreign nations deciding our elections too. Obviously. The msm has brainwashed you to believe Russia is deciding our elections with social media posts but not Israel with billions spent in our elections.

Your cries fall off deaf ears when speaking on "democracy."

 

The fact that our system encourages that of lobbyists, corporations, and PACs leads me to push for a change in the system rather than hate directed at a specific country.

No, What I have suggested would exclude Israel from being able to do that as well.

The fact that Trump and Musk openly defend Putin while attacking Ukraine publicly (and make moves that weaken the US position while strengthening the Russian position) shows that Russia is very involved in tanking our democracy and relationships with our allies. And even if they aren't and it's some conspiracy by Israel to make Russia look bad and direct attention away from themselves, it is still very clearly possible for a person in Putin's position to have that kind of influence.

Once again, I am not interested in targeting a specific country. I want our rules to limit interference from all countries and incorporations.

Focusing on a specific country is simply a distraction and, IMO, is a result of the efforts by the wealthy to divide the population.

 

You don't believe Netanyahu when he says he's committed crimes, but you believe Trump? Double standard. Not too difficult to understand, but at this point we know you aren't arguing out of legitimacy but rather sport.

So like MAGA, you're NOT interested in actual evidence? Got it. Like I said, you're clearly not very interested in what you debate and that's okay. No need to hide it. I'm not going to type out the transcript of his quote about needing Afghanistan when you can watch and learn from a video. You don't want to so no need to argue.

MSM agrees that our politicians take more from Israel lobbying money than any other foreign entity. Weird you don't get that from how much MSNBC you watch.

I know context is a difficult concept to grasp but if you look at what I said, it was clear it was in terms of foreign money.

Oh okay, so what you said WASN'T entirely true then? Thanks for clearing that up.

Anymore? Since when? Since Trump? Your scope of outrage is extremely limited and laughable. Biden enabling a genocide fine. Ethnic cleansing under Trump bad. No moral authority and that's why you and your ilk lost the election so bad.

I know you're allergic to data like your MAGA ilk, but the data suggests otherwise. You keep telling us Americans adore Israel which is something else entirely when there have been numerous stories on Kamala losing the election on that very issue.

It's obvious you're arguing for sport when you already conceded that Israel should be registered under FARA. I don't know what why else you're gibbering and not willing to look at evidence you asked for other than for trolling purposes which I hear is a great use of your time.

 

You already thought Bernie Sanders would be championed by Israel so there's nothing else I can do for you here. I would do some more reading be open to learning new things.

 

I'm not asking you to do anything for me. The comment about Bernie Sanders was made off the cuff and in jest.

If that's the best you have then you should probably take your own advice, considering it has nothing to do with my position.

 

No, I already gave you my best. If you don’t see why giving billions to a colonial project and a genocidal country with nuclear weapons—one that has special rules for funding our elections and controls 98% of our Congress—is a terrible decision for our country, then no evidence will change your mind. You don't get to complain about democracy in good faith at that point.

 

I've already agreed that that's a terrible idea and it should stop.

For every country.

You are the one clearly not having the discussion in good faith.

 

I believe there is a thread on Middle East war

 

But it's only happening with Israel with respect to foreign nations. That's all I'm saying.

 

It's not though. Russia is heavily influencing Trump right now (using PACs and other hidden methods that US oligarchs use) thanks to citizens united.

I'm not trying to minimize the severity of Israeli influence, I'm saying it's a huge problem across the board because our system is set up to encourage it from everyone who has access to a lot of capital.

 

I'd like to see some info if you have any in regards to Russia spending money in our elections. I know there's an opportunity to do so via crypto but they still have to register as foreign agents like any other country besides Israel.

 

Why does this sound so familiar?

 

They use the same avenues as the wealthy and special interests.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/13/us/politics/russia-election-interference.html

https://campaignlegal.org/update/fec-allowing-foreign-money-influence-our-elections

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/03/10/trump-putin-russia-asset-spy-security-ukraine-europe-war/

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...ald-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb-as-krasnov



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book

 

Im hoping the Ukrainian / Russian war can have a cease fire and eventual peace.