05's Starting Lineup

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Kurt Thomas is the Knicks best bigman was why would you play him out of position. Yes, he has played the 5 spot out of need for the Knicks in the past, but he is clearly more comfortable playing the 4 spot. And with K.Thomas being the Knicks most stable and consistent bigman, you want him to be as comfortable in his role as possible.And that comfort seems to come with him playing the 4 spot imo. And if you seen the Buck's play during the big 3 era, then you would undertand that Tim Thomas just isnt fit to play the 4 spot as a starter. He hangs out way to much behind the arc and doesnt provide the rebounding needed out of a starting power forward, 4 or 5 rebounds per game just doesnt cut it for a power forward.

And you said that Allan Houston has played the 3 in the past, I guess your talking about the 2 seasons before Spree came, when the Knicks where using the 3 guard lineup alot with Ward/childs, Starks, and Houston. But Starks was the better defender between the two, so he would often defend the better wing player. On this Knicks squad if they were to use a 3 guard lineup, with both Houston & Crawford, who would guard the better wing player, they both are poor on-defenders. And the 3 spot in the NBA has gotten much bigger since the Knicks used that method. Allan Houston just cant deal with the 3 spot and the size/strenght of some of the perimeter players he may face at the position.
Edit: Well Knick Analyst pretty much shut dude down beofe I got to post mine, so just take mine as backing up KA.
</div>Thanks for the back-up, Henacy.

 

[jbbDavid]

Knicks Analyst is completely right about Allan Houston. He's a terrific shooter and I respect him as much as the next guy but he's soft. He doesn't ever drive it's getting annoying. Why can't he learn to take it to the hoop? If he could do that he'd be so good! I think it's late now as he is getting older and driving would only hurt his knee more and more. I think he would have been a smarter ball player if he drove also. He could learn weaknesses of players by doing more than shooting on them. If he was also able to improve his ball handling, he could fake out a few defenders every now and then and create better shots for himself.

As far as Tim Thomas goes: TT isn't exactly what you'd call tough. He has what it takes to be tough, but he just doesn't learn to use the abilities he has. If he could learn something, he may be suitable for power forwrd. For now, I'd like to see him pull down more boards at Small Forward, as he has not proven that he deserves anything more. If only Penny could start, I'd let him if it was up to me but Penny hasn't got the stuff.

 

[Ed!]

KA- You

him

 

[TheAnswerIsAi3]

LOL o well i guess....not really a Knicks fan newayz so i dont follow them around like dawgs haha....Thats just my opinion on how its goin down and if it does ill get back here and laugh my ass off lol so we'll see when the Season starts up i guess

I need to go back to the Sixers forum tho...so im outta this one...lata

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswerIsAi3:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL o well i guess....not really a Knicks fan newayz so i dont follow them around like dawgs haha....Thats just my opinion on how its goin down and if it does ill get back here and laugh my ass off lol so we'll see when the Season starts up i guess

I need to go back to the Sixers forum tho...so im outta this one...lata</div>
Good luck.

Enjoy the Sixers forum! You're always welcome here as well.

 

[TheAnswerIsAi3]

KA - That was actually kinda wrong of me tho to comment on the Knicks when really all i know about them is...NOTHIN. Haha i got what i deserved from a Knick Fanatic

...Thats cool tho...I like it when some of my posts get countered....

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswerIsAi3:</div><div class="quote_post">KA - That was actually kinda wrong of me tho to comment on the Knicks when really all i know about them is...NOTHIN. Haha i got what i deserved from a Knick Fanatic

...Thats cool tho...I like it when some of my posts get countered....

</div> No, what you did was fine. Keep posting and making mistakes, and you'll learn something. That's how you learn so keep doing it.

 

[TheAnswerIsAi3]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">No, what you did was fine. Keep posting and making mistakes, and you'll learn something. That's how you learn so keep doing it.</div>

Yea i guess so....as I look back on what i posted....u were right about everything. I actually thought Thomas could play PF but when u mentioned the fact that theres KG, Duncan, JO, etc....lol i knew there would be someone that knew about Knicks get on and say somethin. IM STUPID AHHHHHHHHHHH lol j/p.

 

[Kobe - Marquis]

PG: Stephon Marbury
SG: Jamal Crawford
SF: Allan Houston
PF: Tim Thomas
C: Kurt Thomas

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe - Marquis:</div><div class="quote_post">PG: Stephon Marbury
SG: Jamal Crawford
SF: Allan Houston
PF: Tim Thomas
C: Kurt Thomas</div>
I hope to God that's a joke.

If not, then RE-READ THIS! lol.






Are you JOKING?

ALLAN HOUSTON CAN'T COMPETE IN THIS LEAGUE AT THE 3! HE'S TOO SOFT TO PLAY THE 2! He barely drives to the basket at the 2! He won't be able to compete with the likes of Ron Artest, Richard Jefferson, Tracy McGrady (SG/SF), Carmelo Anthony, and Shawn Marion! That's a joke.


Kurt Thomas won't be able to play Center, either. He did it for a little while but he plays his best at PF. He does a good job on Shaq, but against Jermaine O'neal, Yao Ming, Shaq (Shaq still can beat his ass pretty damn well), Dampier, Duncan (F/C) he won't have a chance of competing! It's ridiculous.


And wait just a minute, did you say play Tim thomas at PF?! Is that a joke?! Tim Thomas is 6-10 and weighs 240 LBs at SF, yet he only pulls down 4.8 rebounds per game! HOW DO YOU THINK HE'D PERFORM AGAINST SOME OF THIS LEAGUE'S ELITE PFs LIKE BEN WALLACE, KEVIN GARNETT, TIM DUNCAN, PAU GASOL, SHAREEFABDUR-RAHIM?!
That is simply ridiculous! You need to be much more careful in wait you say, because that is simply WRONG.

Crawford needs a year to develop in the Knicks' system before rolling into the line-up, and if you were to put him in the line-up it would SOLELY be because Houston is injured.

I don't see how exactly you put Baker down as a back-up SF, doesn't really make sense.

My starting line-ups for the Knicks:

PG- Stephon Marbury (Back ups: Jamal Crawford, Moochie Norris)
SG- Allan Houston (Back ups: Jamal Crawford, Penny Hardaway, Trevor Ariza)
SF Tim Thomas (Back ups: Penny Hardaway, Trevor Ariza)
PF- Kurt Thomas (Back ups: Mike Sweetney, Jerome Williams)
C- Nazr Mohammed (Back ups: Vin Baker and ONCE IN A WHILE Mike Sweetney)

IR-
Shandon Anderson
Jamison Brewer
Dermarr Johnson



^My line-ups are pretty accurate, it is possible that Ariza could replace Anderson on the IR (although I hope to God that doesn't happen).

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope to God that's a joke.

</div>
LOL here we go again. Anyway my predictions for the Knicks next season are marbury, toss up between crawford and houston depending which direction the orginization goes. Then Tim Thomas and Kurt Thomas and Nazr Mohammed basically a decent lineup with a few weak spots. I for one would prefer to see Houston start over Crawford just because I like his overall game better than crawford he shoots better and is a better leader.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL here we go again. Anyway my predictions for the Knicks next season are marbury, toss up between crawford and houston depending which direction the orginization goes. Then Tim Thomas and Kurt Thomas and Nazr Mohammed basically a decent lineup with a few weak spots. I for one would prefer to see Houston start over Crawford just because I like his overall game better than crawford he shoots better and is a better leader.</div>
Very well said.

However, Houston never really was a leader. I hope that Penny could lput some spirit into the team, he knows what he's doing.

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Very well said.

However, Houston never really was a leader. I hope that Penny could lput some spirit into the team, he knows what he's doing.</div>
Well the leadership quality I see in him is like the leadership he shows around the community and that type of stuff I know he does not demand the ball on cour as much as he should. So in terms of on court leader I agree with you he never really was the greatest option for a on the floor leader.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the leadership quality I see in him is like the leadership he shows around the community and that type of stuff I know he does not demand the ball on cour as much as he should. So in terms of on court leader I agree with you he never really was the greatest option for a on the floor leader.</div>He's not much of a leader in my eyes, I'm Jewish. Houston has publicized that he hates Jews. So maybe that's why I dislike his personality. It's tough to really like a guy who hates you. So maybe I'm just biased against him.


Not much of a leader in my eyes, hopefully some of you will agree that those aren't the qualities a leader should have.

 

[TheAnswerIsAi3]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe - Marquis:</div><div class="quote_post">PG: Stephon Marbury
SG: Jamal Crawford
SF: Allan Houston
PF: Tim Thomas
C: Kurt Thomas</div>

Wow KA....I have 1 person that agrees with me even tho we both may be wrong but still....now im a lil happier

Dont laugh at me either cuz im a Sixer man lol

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">He's not much of a leader in my eyes, I'm Jewish. Houston has publicized that he hates Jews. So maybe that's why I dislike his personality. It's tough to really like a guy who hates you. So maybe I'm just biased against him.


Not much of a leader in my eyes, hopefully some of you will agree that those aren't the qualities a leader should have.</div>
O, that sucks didn't know that about him.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswerIsAi3:</div><div class="quote_post">

Wow KA....I have 1 person that agrees with me even tho we both may be wrong but still....now im a lil happier

Dont laugh at me either cuz im a Sixer man lol

</div>
I think he was kidding. Sorry man, lol. It just doesn't seem to make sense, we'd get slaughtered with that line-up. I'm 99.9% sure he wa kidding.

 

[TheAnswerIsAi3]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I think he was kidding. Sorry man, lol. It just doesn't seem to make sense, we'd get slaughtered with that line-up. I'm 99.9% sure he wa kidding.

</div>


Fine I see how ya are!

LOL im

 

[Knicks Analyst]

Notice: It's been brought to my attention (by Dre) that the rumors that Allan Houston is an anti-semite are inaccurate. The media went and blew it out of proportion.

I would like to thank Dre for telling me this and clearing it all up.

 

[grinder333]

I've made fun of Isiah in the past for all the crazy money and contracts he has played with, but I'm going to be a Knicks follower this season. They are going to be fun to watch and are very frikking deep.

Pg- Marbury, Norris
Sg- Houston, Crawford,
Sf- T. Thomas, Hardaway
Pf- K. Thomas, Baker, Williams
C- Mohammed, Sundov


I don't know if more trades are needed. Financially the Knicks are screwed up of course. Check the following link for their salaries: <u>http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm</u>

Other than their high salaries, the only thing I would change on their roster would be getting rid of some dead wood at the end of the bench.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting grinder333:</div><div class="quote_post">
Pg- Marbury, Norris
Sg- Houston, Crawford,
Sf- T. Thomas, Hardaway
Pf- K. Thomas, Baker, Williams
C- Mohammed, Sundov
</div>
Where is Sweetney? It seems you replaced Sweetney with Sundov. Could you explain why you did this? I'm just curious because Sweetney has developed into a pretty good ball-player, as opposed to Sundov who hasn't yet proven himself worthy of a roster spot.

 

[grinder333]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Where is Sweetney? It seems you replaced Sweetney with Sundov. Could you explain why you did this? I'm just curious because Sweetney has developed into a pretty good ball-player, as opposed to Sundov who hasn't yet proven himself worthy of a roster spot.</div>


Yeah ok, had a look at Sweeney's numbers last year. He had a good fg% and can hit free throws. He'll definately be in the centre/pf mix. Good athletic young player.

Then I took a look at Sundov's numbers. WTF was I thinking. He's a bench rider, all the way. SORRY

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting grinder333:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah ok, had a look at Sweeney's numbers last year. He had a good fg% and can hit free throws. He'll definately be in the centre/pf mix. Good athletic young player.

Then I took a look at Sundov's numbers. WTF was I thinking. He's a bench rider, all the way. SORRY</div>
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but Sweetney's stats are l0w becusae he only 11.8 MPG.
Sweetney Ranks #2 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(6.6) Ranks and #7 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(15.3) Now he may not be a good shooter but he can also score in the paint. We don't need another shooter we already have a back-court loaded with shooters. We need a guy who can pull down board, Sweetney has shown that he can, Sundov hasn't.

 

[GjonC]

yeah i gotta feelin about sweets, hes gonna be big, i even hope he starts!
pg-starbury(crawford)
sg-houston(crawford)
sf-TT(PENNY)
pf-kthomas(sweets)(vinnie)(jyd)
c-nazr(sweets)(kthomas)

 

[Knicks3]

I still dont get the theme here, Allen Houston at small foward, he cant do it. Id like to see him delt for Shareef anyway, also Need4sheed, Sweetney at center, not happening, mayby at power foward but likely not as starter atleast this year. Hes got a lot of potential but hes simplly not a center at 6'8

 

[Knicks3]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting grinder333:</div><div class="quote_post">I've made fun of Isiah in the past for all the crazy money and contracts he has played with, but I'm going to be a Knicks follower this season. They are going to be fun to watch and are very frikking deep.

Pg- Marbury, Norris
Sg- Houston, Crawford,
Sf- T. Thomas, Hardaway
Pf- K. Thomas, Baker, Williams
C- Mohammed, Sundov


I don't know if more trades are needed. Financially the Knicks are screwed up of course. Check the following link for their salaries: <u>http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm</u>

Other than their high salaries, the only thing I would change on their roster would be getting rid of some dead wood at the end of the bench.</div>



the only problem i have is were is sweetney on your backups

 

[Knicks3]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but Sweetney's stats are l0w becusae he only 11.8 MPG.
Sweetney Ranks #2 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(6.6) Ranks and #7 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(15.3) Now he may not be a good shooter but he can also score in the paint. We don't need another shooter we already have a back-court loaded with shooters. We need a guy who can pull down board, Sweetney has shown that he can, Sundov hasn't.</div>

agreed

 

[Knicks3]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswerIsAi3:</div><div class="quote_post">YIKES....Man i think the lineup should look exactly like this

Starters....
C - Kurt Thomas 11.1 ppg, 8.30 rpg, 1.9 apg
PF - Tim Thomas 14.7 ppg, 4.80 rpg, 1.9 apg
SF - Allan Houston 18.5 ppg, 2.40 rpg, 2.0 apg
SG - Jamal Crawford 17.3 ppg, 3.50 rpg, 5.1 apg
PG - Stephon Marbury 20.2 ppg, 3.20 rpg, 8.9 apg

Bench.....
C - Nazr Mohammed 7.4 ppg, 5.90 rpg, .5 apg
PF - Jerome Williams 6.2 ppg, 7.00 rpg, 1.1 apg
SF - Vin Baker 9.8 ppg, 5.20 rpg, 1.2 apg
SG - Anfernee Hardaway 9.2 ppg, 3.80 rpg, 2.3 apg
PF - Mike Sweetney 4.3 ppg, 3.70 rpg, .3 apg
SG - Shandon Anderson 7.9 ppg, 2.80 rpg, 1.5 apg
SF - Trevor Ariza (UCLA stats) 11.6 ppg, 6.48 rpg, 2.8 apg
IR.....
PG - Moochie Norris 3.5 ppg, 1.00 rpg, 1.8 apg
SG - Jamison Brewer 2.5 ppg, .80 rpg, 1.3 apg
SG - (FreeAgent) Demarr Johnson 5.4 ppg, 1.90 rpg, .5 apg

Thats how the roster should look if there wantin to make the playoffs....Kurt Thomas would be a better C to start than Sweetney and Nazr...Tim Thomas can easily play the PF position....Allan Houston has played SF in his prime but just in case he gets hurt or anything theres always Penny and Baker waiting on the bench or even the rookie sensation Trevor Ariza. Jamal Crawford will most likely be Co-Captain to Stephon Marbury which everyone knows he gonna be the Captain. The bench looks very nice when u look at it. Notice how i put all the SGs, PGs on the IR....well thats because they really wont get any minutes with Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, and Penny Hardaway around. Also...theres no backup PG on the bench because when Marbury goes outta tha game (which wouldnt be long out of the game either)...Jamal Crawford could play PG and maybe Penny could come in at SG....this would be a great plan for the New York Knicks to look at and they have the biggest chance at making the playoffs this year if all of this actually happens.</div>



NO, Tim Thomas at pf, and houston at sf i dont get were ur going with this. First the Knicks as a team are under sized enough already but add in the Tim thomas thing no way. 4 rebounds is not good enough to be a pf. Also Houston can bearly defend a sg but put him against a sf, and ur asking for soft D