#1 pick available?

[blazerkor]

Or trade him for a equivalent player that fits better with Dame. A SF or dominant PF would be ideal. Trent and Hood would be fine at SG.

The question posed was would I trade CJ for the first pick in this draft and the very easy answer for me, because I really like Anthony Edwards is yes and it's so obvious. Even if Edwards isn't ready to play right away which I doubt is the case but if he's not we still don't have to take a step back. We would still have a starting back court of Dame and Gary... I actually think that is a better starting back court than Dame and CJ... it's so much better defensively and Gary won't stop ball movement so much. Regardless of that the trade (that would take another trade to pull off) would free up $20 million in cap space. I think with that cap space and just having a team that makes sense around Dame we would take a step forward next season, not a step back. All of that and we would have a potential superstar in Edwards. If the trade for us is CJ for the first pick, straight up, it's an absolute no brainer.

 

[TBpup]

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So....7 spots below Duncan Robinson on that list.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So....7 spots below Duncan Robinson on that list.

Hey, if Miami wants to trade...

 

[RoseCityRebel]

I just don’t see how a player who shot 40% from the field and 29% from three as the primary scorer on a 5-13 SEC team can be considered anything other than a project. Agree to disagree.

 

[e_blazer]

The question posed was would I trade CJ for the first pick in this draft and the very easy answer for me, because I really like Anthony Edwards is yes and it's so obvious. Even if Edwards isn't ready to play right away which I doubt is the case but if he's not we still don't have to take a step back. We would still have a starting back court of Dame and Gary... I actually think that is a better starting back court than Dame and CJ... it's so much better defensively and Gary won't stop ball movement so much. Regardless of that the trade (that would take another trade to pull off) would free up $20 million in cap space. I think with that cap space and just having a team that makes sense around Dame we would take a step forward next season, not a step back. All of that and we would have a potential superstar in Edwards. If the trade for us is CJ for the first pick, straight up, it's an absolute no brainer.

I get what you're saying. Part of my hesitation is that I don't know much about Edwards other than a few clips and a couple of pre-draft write-ups I've seen. If the powers that be say he's the next Dwayne Wade, who am I to say differently? OTOH, one guy expressed concern about him seeming to take some plays off. I don't disagree with your comment that the backcourt doesn't take much of a dip with Gary, and he's certainly a better defender than CJ. My counter would be that getting a better SF or PF doesn't negate any of what you say about the backcourt, but the better SF or PF should actually make the team better immediately as opposed to simply not slipping back. Since this all pure conjecture anyway, I'll just say that it's an interesting idea.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

We cannot really match contracts with them if we give up CJ and nobody else on our roster can be traded for a 1st pick even on a bad drsft.

Do the Wolves not have the cap space to absorb CJ's contract?

 

[KSF-ERIC]

people always bring that up about CJ's numbers without Dame

what they don't talk about is Dame's numbers without CJ. They go up considerably too. Free both of them by trading CJ

as far as the sunnier opinion about CJ's trade value....we're talking about a #1 pick for CJ; considering what we noted about Dame and CJ playing without each other, I'm not sure how much more you'd want for CJ then that

link?

 

[RoseCityRebel]

I get what you're saying. Part of my hesitation is that I don't know much about Edwards other than a few clips and a couple of pre-draft write-ups I've seen. If the powers that be say he's the next Dwayne Wade, who am I to say differently? OTOH, one guy expressed concern about him seeming to take some plays off. I don't disagree with your comment that the backcourt doesn't take much of a dip with Gary, and he's certainly a better defender than CJ. My counter would be that getting a better SF or PF doesn't negate any of what you say about the backcourt, but the better SF or PF should actually make the team better immediately as opposed to simply not slipping back. Since this all pure conjecture anyway, I'll just say that it's an interesting idea.

Stats from the Bubble say Trent isn’t a good defender, so replacing bad with possibly mediocre while giving up CJ’s ball-handling and ability to create offense had better be offset by another very good player who can initiate the offense. Dwayne Wade is a very high bar for Edwards to reach and if that’s the expectation, wow, I already feel bad for him when he struggles and the Blazers lose a few games in a row. Edwards isn’t known for his defense, BBIQ, or shooting, so ... his arms are long, he’s built like a linebacker, and he’s uber-athletic?

Here is an article talking about his weakness right now as a prospect. He’s not at all a complete player now and has a lot of work to do during his rookie contract to play a key role on a title team.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...134535/anthony-edwards-nba-draft-2020-georgia

 

[GDiama]

Do the Wolves not have the cap space to absorb CJ's contract?

I didn't check but they have two max already and now that i think about it it makes CJ even worse as an option for them. A 3rd huge contract for a 3rd terrible defender.

 

[blazerkor]

Do the Wolves not have the cap space to absorb CJ's contract?

No, if James Johnson opts in, which he will they will only have like fifteen million in cap space to absorb CJ's contract... that's like another fifteen million short. I actually don't even know if they'll have that much because the around nine million for the first pick would be a cap hold by the time they would have that space, I think. Bottom line is that right now they have 94 million on the books for next season when you count Johnson (which is a given) and the cap is only projected to be like 109 mil or something like that. All of that said, who the fuck knows what the league, salary cap, trade rules, luxury tax, exceptions or anything will look like next season.

 

[blazerkor]

I get what you're saying. Part of my hesitation is that I don't know much about Edwards other than a few clips and a couple of pre-draft write-ups I've seen. If the powers that be say he's the next Dwayne Wade, who am I to say differently? OTOH, one guy expressed concern about him seeming to take some plays off. I don't disagree with your comment that the backcourt doesn't take much of a dip with Gary, and he's certainly a better defender than CJ. My counter would be that getting a better SF or PF doesn't negate any of what you say about the backcourt, but the better SF or PF should actually make the team better immediately as opposed to simply not slipping back. Since this all pure conjecture anyway, I'll just say that it's an interesting idea.

I don't think it matters because CJ is just as bad a fit on the Wolves as he is here and the Wolves would have to pull a third team in to make the salaries work. I think there are moves out there that could net us what you are talking about getting for CJ but Neil would have to pull the trigger and I just don't think he's going to do that. Neil is going to spout off some shit about how we "coulda been a contenda" if we were healthy this past season and just bring back everyone and use the MLE to get another contributor. He'll probably also draft BPA at 16 to continue to build our farm system (that's what I think of guys like Nas, Wenyen and Ant since they seemingly never get any run with the big boys).

 

[GDiama]

No, if James Johnson opts in, which he will they will only have like fifteen million in cap space to absorb CJ's contract... that's like another fifteen million short. I actually don't even know if they'll have that much because the around nine million for the first pick would be a cap hold by the time they would have that space, I think. Bottom line is that right now they have 94 million on the books for next season when you count Johnson (which is a given) and the cap is only projected to be like 109 mil or something like that. All of that said, who the fuck knows what the league, salary cap, trade rules, luxury tax, exceptions or anything will look like next season.

I also think they need to renounce Beasley and Juancho to have this cap space which they won't do. Unless when you trading cap holds don't count against cap space.

 

[blazerkor]

I also think they need to renounce Beasley and Juancho to have this cap space which they won't do. Unless when you trading cap holds don't count against cap space.

No when you are trading cap holds do count including a 120% hold on the rookie scale for first rounders who are drafted but not signed. In order to do an unbalanced trade the same rules apply that are there when signing someone. Again though, all of this is a moot point because there will be a new CBA and who knows what it will look like... include, exclude or add from this current CBA.

 

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