$10,000 To Disprove Genesis

[Denny Crane]

that wasn't the point, and that particular form of obfuscation of the definition of proof won't work anyway, since as noted genesis does make positive physical claims. the only thing you can do is argue that knowledge itself is impossible in principal.

point was there already exists conclusive objective evidence that life on earth did not bottleneck 5000 years ago (etc) that you can point to in court. it's not like someone would need to do new testing to specifically deal with claims in genesis.

Genesis doesn't make a 5000 year ago claim.

It just says, "in the beginning..."

 

[crowTrobot]

Genesis doesn't make a 5000 year ago claim.

It just says, "in the beginning..."

i was talking about the flood story, the age of which is severely restricted if you have to take the geneologies and ages lived listed in genesis literally. if taking the challenge i wouldn't even bother with the 7 day creation thing.

 

[magnifier661]

i was talking about the flood story, the age of which is severely restricted if you have to take the geneologies and ages lived listed in genesis literally. if taking the challenge i wouldn't even bother with the 7 day creation thing.

I'm still tripping on this 5,000 years after the big flood. I just don't see how biblical scholars date this. They talk of the age of Noah, etc. I don't see definite ages, but I guess I will take their word for it.

 

[Denny Crane]

i was talking about the flood story, the age of which is severely restricted if you have to take the geneologies and ages lived listed in genesis literally. if taking the challenge i wouldn't even bother with the 7 day creation thing.

5000 years isn't a literal translation.

 

[Denny Crane]

i was talking about the flood story, the age of which is severely restricted if you have to take the geneologies and ages lived listed in genesis literally. if taking the challenge i wouldn't even bother with the 7 day creation thing.

Flood story.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ev...flood-noahs-time-happened/t/story?id=17884533

Flood was 5,000 years ago, in fact. According to the science.

 

[magnifier661]

Flood story.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ev...flood-noahs-time-happened/t/story?id=17884533

Flood was 5,000 years ago, in fact. According to the science.

Wow cool find! I had personal issues with this story as well. The writer explained it could have been a "hurricane" or something similar, but a grander scale. I think that's easier to believe, IMO. And that's what I thought. 5,000 B.C.; which is 7,013 years ago-ish

 

[crowTrobot]

5000 years isn't a literal translation.

it is approximately. i don't know what the exact number would be.

 

[crowTrobot]

Flood story.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ev...flood-noahs-time-happened/t/story?id=17884533

Flood was 5,000 years ago, in fact. According to the science.

evidence for a local flood event isn't going to help the dude defend a literal interpretation.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wow cool find! I had personal issues with this story as well. The writer explained it could have been a "hurricane" or something similar, but a grander scale. I think that's easier to believe, IMO. And that's what I thought. 5,000 B.C.; which is 7,013 years ago-ish

What the science says is that there were numerous floods world-wide. Including a huge one in Washington State. As the glaciers melted, great lakes of melted ice were formed behind "dams" made of ice. When the ice melted, the dams burst and all the water made for the sea (sea level) at incredible speed.

That there was one in the middle east isn't surprising. There were numerous of these and they were all disperate. Consistent with similar stories around the world.

No evidence of any warning from some mythical being. No evidence of an arc. No evidence of a collection of all the animals.

Occam's Razor says primitive peoples told the story of the flood around campfires for generations. And the story was embellished quite a bit along the way.

 

[Denny Crane]

evidence for a local flood event isn't going to help the dude defend a literal interpretation.

You attacked the 5000 year time frame.

Science is actually supporting Genesis to a degree. It's not disproving it in the least.

I think you took the wrong track.

And I think if you did take up the guy, you better be ready for this kind of thing (I knew about the floods and ice dams for a while now)

 

[crowTrobot]

You attacked the 5000 year time frame.

i did not. i attacked the claim that life on earth was virtually wiped out (approximately) that long ago.

Science is actually supporting Genesis to a degree. It's not disproving it in the least.

i have no idea what you're talking about. genesis doesn't say anything about local floods due to ice dams breaking.

 

[magnifier661]

i did not. i attacked the claim that life on earth was virtually wiped out (approximately) that long ago.




i have no idea what you're talking about. genesis doesn't say anything about local floods due to ice dams breaking.

First of all; Denny is on your side. All he is explaining is that it's not easy. I agree with him and I don't agree with Denny much when it comes to shit like this.

 

[crowTrobot]

First of all; Denny is on your side. All he is explaining is that it's not easy.

it's trivial. the guy is just doing this as a publicity stunt because he's tried things like this before and knows nobody is going to bother to take him up on it.

 

[magnifier661]

it's trivial. the guy is just doing this as a publicity stunt because he's tried things like this before and knows nobody is going to bother to take him up on it.

Did you read my comment early on in this thread? I said I think this already.

 

[crowTrobot]

Did you read my comment early on in this thread? I said I think this already.

cool

 

[MadeFromDust]

http://www.newser.com/story/165107/creationist-10k-to-anyone-who-can-disprove-genesis.html

(Newser) – A California creationist believes the Biblical book of Genesis is a literal account of the universe's origins—and he's putting his money where his mouth is. Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo is offering $10,000 to anyone who can successfully disprove a literal interpretation, using science, in front of a judge. He's calling the challenge the Literal Genesis Trial, the Guardian reports. Anyone who wants to take him up on the offer must also pony up his or her own $10,000; winner takes all.

A dispute resolution model known as a minitrial would be used to hear the arguments from Mastropaolo and his opponent. A bailiff and court reporter will attend, in addition to a judge OKed by both sides. Per the rules, all "evidence must be scientific, that is, objective, valid, reliable, and calibrated." Mastropaolo, who has a PhD in kinesiology and has taught both biomechanics and physiology, says his goal is to heighten the quality of creation science vs. evolution debate. But first he has to find a willing opponent: "They [evolutionists] are not stupid people, they are bright, but they are bright enough to know there is no scientific evidence they can give in a minitrial," he says.

Interesting.

Any S2 takers?

No one could.

 

[magnifier661]

All kidding aside. This guy is a Charlatan. He is only using this as publicity so his peeps will say "You fight the good fight!" and his name is in the spotlight.

Jesus is not impressed.

This is what I wrote crowtbot

 

[MadeFromDust]

Try taking it up with Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, chess master who can beat up to 12 players at once while playing blindfolded.

http://creation.com/dr-jonathan-d-sarfati