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You get guy like Gowdy and few other that get to the meat of the matter. Then gerrymander gang get equal time.
Now I know why Gowdy is quitting. Not worth his time. He supposedly had 800 benghazi hearings which seems like a lot but if they all went like this....jeez.

Here's Dershowitz on Strzok...it is Fox News so they probably dubbed his voice.

 
No. I expect they are guilty as hell. But this is not a game of find the criminal. The game we need is live in the world we have until we can make it better.
That takes a fucking plan and some dip shit issuing an indictment to count coup for his game, is not part of a solid plan for the game we need.
Maybe we will get Putin to extradite them........ha
 
But Mueller's mandate is to find criminals. You're really confused by all this.

No. Not confused at all dog. No way should that have been assigned to him as the end game.
No way should it have been hipped in public. For the purposes of how do we related to Russia from here forward, it should have been quiet until the facts were known and a plan developed.

Instead we got a partisan seditious effort going. Talk about making the Russian Successful!!
We performed to exceed their wildest dream.

Do you think they will quit now?
 
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No. Not confused at all dog. No way should that have been assigned to him as the end game.
No way should it have been hipped in public. For the purposes of how do we related to Russia from here forward, it should have been quiet until the facts were known and a plan developed.

Instead we got a partisan seditious effort going. Talk about making the Russian Successful!!
We performed to exceed their wildest dream.

Do you think they will quit now?

So we shouldn't prosecute murder until we can prevent all murders? We shouldn't prosecute rape until we can prevent all rapes?

No, it doesn't work that way. If people are committing crimes you investigate, charge, and prosecute.

You know this, you agree with this, it's just being clouded because of your support of the guy at the top.

It's okay, you're in an abusive relationship and no matter how hot you think Trump is, he's not worthy of your love. You deserve better.
 
They obviously won't publish that they kill world leaders on the internet. They have a whole division dedicated to this stuff, and its all hush hush.
Well, some people swear there are little green men among us but I have to have something to go on before I'll believe just any old thing that comes along.

Conspiracy theories have been a big hit among the far right for a long time now. I suspect it's because they have feeble minds.
 
A little over a year ago...



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Know better about what? Comey didn't come out shortly before the election and declare they had some emails that may or may not be linked to Clinton and then left it at that making people think there is some dirt but later turned out to be nothing? Do you think that helped Clinton? Only an idiot would think that helped Clinton..
 
Thank you for coming up with something. I was sort of lost for words to relate to this assertion.
All I can think of is, I didn't vote for McCain! I know he isn't Satan, just a devious fucker without deity status.

It is interesting though that he was the apparent source of one of those Steel folders that got the FBI onto Trump though. Very interesting!

The FBI was investigating Trump before the dossier was turned over. Nice try El Diablo. :smack:
 
Bah' God, they keep catching witches!

Vich hunt.

Viktor Borisovich Netyksho was a GRU officer leading Unit 26165, which was responsible for hacking into the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign, according to the indictment. The unit worked out of Moscow.

Boris Alekseyevich Antonov was a major in the Russian military who oversaw Unit 26165’s department in charge of targeting governmental and political groups with spear-phishing emails and other hacking tactics, according to the indictment.

Dimitriy Sergeyevich Badin was the assistant head of Antonov’s department within Unit 26165 and helped Antonov oversee other co-conspirators in the case, according to the indictment.


Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov was part of Antonov’s department within Unit 26165, per the indictment. Beginning sometime around 2010, Yermakov used online personas like “Kate S. Milton,” “James McMorgans” and “Karen W. Millen” to carry out hacking attempts and helped hack at least two emails accounts that led to the released of campaign documents through DCLeaks in 2016, according to the indictment. He also helped hack the DNC server and steal DNC emails were were released through an organization not named in the indictment.

Alexsey Viktorovich Lukashev, a senior member of the Russian military and part of Antonov’s department within Unit 26165, used online personas including “Den Katenberg” and “Yuliana Martynova” and sent spear-phishing emails to members of the Clinton campaign, including the campaign’s chairman, John Podesta, per the indictment.

Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev was a lieutenant colonel in the Russian military who oversaw Unit 26165’s department in charge of developing and managing malware, including the hacking tool X-Agent used by the GRU, according to the indictment. Morgachev oversaw members of the department who developed X-Agent and monitored the malware implanted on computers in the DNC and DCCC networks, per the indictment.

Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, a member of Morgachev’s department, used the names “kazak” and “blablabla1234565” and helped develop and monitor X-Agent when it was used to hack into the DNC and DCCC networks beginning around April 2016, according to the indictment.

Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, also a member of Morgachev’s unit, helped Kozacheck customize and text X-Agent before it was deployed, per the indictment.


Artem Andreyevich Malyshev was a second lieutenant in the Russian military and member of Morgachev’s unit who used the names “djangomagicdev” and “realblatr,” according to the indictment. Malyshev helped monitor X-Agent after it was implanted in the DNC and DCCC networks, per the indictment.

Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk was a colonel in the Russian military who led Unit 74455, which operated out of a building in Moscow referred to as “the Tower” by those in the GRU and handled the release of stolen documents, according to the indictment. The unit helped release documents under the names DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 and published anti-Clinton commentary on social media, per the indictment.

Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin ran a department within Unit 74455 that managed computer infrastructure and social media accounts that were used to help release stolen documents through the personas DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0.
 
Vich hunt.

Viktor Borisovich Netyksho was a GRU officer leading Unit 26165, which was responsible for hacking into the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign, according to the indictment. The unit worked out of Moscow.

Boris Alekseyevich Antonov was a major in the Russian military who oversaw Unit 26165’s department in charge of targeting governmental and political groups with spear-phishing emails and other hacking tactics, according to the indictment.

Dimitriy Sergeyevich Badin was the assistant head of Antonov’s department within Unit 26165 and helped Antonov oversee other co-conspirators in the case, according to the indictment.


Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov was part of Antonov’s department within Unit 26165, per the indictment. Beginning sometime around 2010, Yermakov used online personas like “Kate S. Milton,” “James McMorgans” and “Karen W. Millen” to carry out hacking attempts and helped hack at least two emails accounts that led to the released of campaign documents through DCLeaks in 2016, according to the indictment. He also helped hack the DNC server and steal DNC emails were were released through an organization not named in the indictment.

Alexsey Viktorovich Lukashev, a senior member of the Russian military and part of Antonov’s department within Unit 26165, used online personas including “Den Katenberg” and “Yuliana Martynova” and sent spear-phishing emails to members of the Clinton campaign, including the campaign’s chairman, John Podesta, per the indictment.

Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev was a lieutenant colonel in the Russian military who oversaw Unit 26165’s department in charge of developing and managing malware, including the hacking tool X-Agent used by the GRU, according to the indictment. Morgachev oversaw members of the department who developed X-Agent and monitored the malware implanted on computers in the DNC and DCCC networks, per the indictment.

Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, a member of Morgachev’s department, used the names “kazak” and “blablabla1234565” and helped develop and monitor X-Agent when it was used to hack into the DNC and DCCC networks beginning around April 2016, according to the indictment.

Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, also a member of Morgachev’s unit, helped Kozacheck customize and text X-Agent before it was deployed, per the indictment.


Artem Andreyevich Malyshev was a second lieutenant in the Russian military and member of Morgachev’s unit who used the names “djangomagicdev” and “realblatr,” according to the indictment. Malyshev helped monitor X-Agent after it was implanted in the DNC and DCCC networks, per the indictment.

Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk was a colonel in the Russian military who led Unit 74455, which operated out of a building in Moscow referred to as “the Tower” by those in the GRU and handled the release of stolen documents, according to the indictment. The unit helped release documents under the names DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 and published anti-Clinton commentary on social media, per the indictment.

Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin ran a department within Unit 74455 that managed computer infrastructure and social media accounts that were used to help release stolen documents through the personas DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0.

What's interesting is that either we have a spy inside the GRU or we have hacked them to a frighteningly detailed level.
 
No, it doesn't work that way. If people are committing crimes you investigate, charge, and prosecute.

Geez! That is so naive, I am done here.

Let's issue an indictment for Kim. He was the leader of the gang that killed Warmbier. Well enough of this silliness.
 
Geez! That is so naive, I am done here.

Let's issue an indictment for Kim. He was the leader of the gang that killed Warmbier. Well enough of this silliness.

He's safe as long as he keeps sending Trump love letters.

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Geez! That is so naive, I am done here.

Let's issue an indictment for Kim. He was the leader of the gang that killed Warmbier. Well enough of this silliness.

rotflma! Getting a little too hot for ya marzy.
 
This investigation was about Russian hacking...Trump is collateral damage if he was dumb enough to even know about it..he always has a fall guy to throw under the bus when the shit hits the fan...the carpet baggers Trump brought into his campaign have been proven sleazebag ..money laundering, influence pedaling, tax evading crooks....now why any self respecting American wouldn't want to get to the bottom of this is beyond me....nothin' to do with partisan loyalties but everything to do with national security.....Trump isn't a dictator as much as his supporters would like...the great thing about America is you can fire the president if he fucks up....like.Nixon....Trump is guilty of one clear thing.....he's incompetent at vetting people he brings into his circle....look at the pattern of failed Trump cabinet members and campaign managers...speaks for itself
 
This investigation was about Russian hacking...
No, it's about Collusion. But you had to show that the hacking took place first before you have anything to collude over.

Trump is collateral damage if he was dumb enough to even know about it.
Doesn't matter if he "knew". all the matters is the actions taken for his benefit.

he always has a fall guy to throw under the bus when the shit hits the fan..
Not when we're talking about Criminal Conspiracy. This is where it starts to get fun....

Conspiracy against the United States, or conspiracy to defraud the United States,[22] is a federal offense in the United States of America under 18 U.S.C. § 371. The crime is that of two or more persons who conspire to commit an offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States.

Conspiracy has been defined in the United States as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions.[23][24] A conspiracy does not need to have been planned in secret to meet the definition of the crime.

Conspiracy law usually does not require proof of specific intent by the defendants to injure any specific person to establish an illegal agreement. Instead, usually the law requires only that the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act.


The conspirators can be guilty even if they do not know the identity of the other members of the conspiracy.

One important feature of a conspiracy charge is that it relieves prosecutors of the need to prove the particular roles of conspirators. If two persons plot to kill another (and this can be proven), and the victim is indeed killed as a result of the actions of either conspirator, it is not necessary to prove with specificity which of the conspirators actually pulled the trigger. (Otherwise, both conspirators could conceivably handle the gun, leaving two sets of fingerprints and then demand acquittals for both, based on the fact that the prosecutor would be unable to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, which of the two conspirators was the triggerman). A conspiracy conviction requires proof that (a) the conspirators did indeed conspire to commit the crime, and (b) the crime was committed by an individual involved in the conspiracy. Proof of which individual it was is usually not necessary.

It is also an option for prosecutors, when bringing conspiracy charges, to decline to indict all members of the conspiracy (though the existence of all members may be mentioned in an indictment). Such unindicted co-conspirators are commonly found when the identities or whereabouts of members of a conspiracy are unknown, or when the prosecution is concerned only with a particular individual among the conspirators. This is common when the target of the indictment is an elected official or an organized crime leader, and the co-conspirators are persons of little or no public importance. More famously, President Richard Nixon was named as an unindicted co-conspirator by the Watergate special prosecutor, in an event leading up to his eventual resignation.


the carpet baggers Trump brought into his campaign have been proven sleazebag ..money laundering, influence pedaling, tax evading crooks....
True.

Trump is guilty of one clear thing.....he's incompetent at vetting people he brings into his circle....look at the pattern of failed Trump cabinet members and campaign managers...speaks for itself
Actually as head of a criminal organization (his campaign) he could be guilty of every illegal act committed by people in his campaign that ultimately benefited him or was intended to benefit him.

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That's why charging the Russians is so important. You have to prove that hacking had taken place before you can charge that someone(s) benefited or attempted to benefit from it. Brick by brick Mueller is building a conspiracy case against him that even if he pardons himself for it (and the US Supreme Court upholds that pardon) it can be easily prosecuted by the state of NY.

Where it really gets fun/interesting is if they go RICO with it. RICO is federal but it is a civil action. So let's say that the state of NY wins a criminal conspiracy case against Trump, then the feds could use RICO to civilly take all of Trump's US assets. Pardons don't cover civil actions.
 
No, it's about Collusion. But you had to show that the hacking took place first before you have anything to collude over.

Doesn't matter if he "knew". all the matters is the actions taken for his benefit.

Not when we're talking about Criminal Conspiracy. This is where it starts to get fun....

Conspiracy against the United States, or conspiracy to defraud the United States,[22] is a federal offense in the United States of America under 18 U.S.C. § 371. The crime is that of two or more persons who conspire to commit an offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States.

Conspiracy has been defined in the United States as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions.[23][24] A conspiracy does not need to have been planned in secret to meet the definition of the crime.

Conspiracy law usually does not require proof of specific intent by the defendants to injure any specific person to establish an illegal agreement. Instead, usually the law requires only that the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act.


The conspirators can be guilty even if they do not know the identity of the other members of the conspiracy.

One important feature of a conspiracy charge is that it relieves prosecutors of the need to prove the particular roles of conspirators. If two persons plot to kill another (and this can be proven), and the victim is indeed killed as a result of the actions of either conspirator, it is not necessary to prove with specificity which of the conspirators actually pulled the trigger. (Otherwise, both conspirators could conceivably handle the gun, leaving two sets of fingerprints and then demand acquittals for both, based on the fact that the prosecutor would be unable to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, which of the two conspirators was the triggerman). A conspiracy conviction requires proof that (a) the conspirators did indeed conspire to commit the crime, and (b) the crime was committed by an individual involved in the conspiracy. Proof of which individual it was is usually not necessary.

It is also an option for prosecutors, when bringing conspiracy charges, to decline to indict all members of the conspiracy (though the existence of all members may be mentioned in an indictment). Such unindicted co-conspirators are commonly found when the identities or whereabouts of members of a conspiracy are unknown, or when the prosecution is concerned only with a particular individual among the conspirators. This is common when the target of the indictment is an elected official or an organized crime leader, and the co-conspirators are persons of little or no public importance. More famously, President Richard Nixon was named as an unindicted co-conspirator by the Watergate special prosecutor, in an event leading up to his eventual resignation.


True.

Actually as head of a criminal organization (his campaign) he could be guilty of every illegal act committed by people in his campaign that ultimately benefited him or was intended to benefit him.

...

That's why charging the Russians is so important. You have to prove that hacking had taken place before you can charge that someone(s) benefited or attempted to benefit from it. Brick by brick Mueller is building a conspiracy case against him that even if he pardons himself for it (and the US Supreme Court upholds that pardon) it can be easily prosecuted by the state of NY.

Where it really gets fun/interesting is if they go RICO with it. RICO is federal but it is a civil action. So let's say that the state of NY wins a criminal conspiracy case against Trump, then the feds could use RICO to civilly take all of Trump's US assets. Pardons don't cover civil actions.
I've been reading the title 18 referenced here. Care to point out what section the "crimes" Trump could be found to have conspired to commit?

There are a lot of sections, even a section on elections. Or animals. And vehicles.

Just curious which one covers defrauding the US in this conspiracy.
 
I've been reading the title 18 referenced here. Care to point out what section the "crimes" Trump could be found to have conspired to commit?

There are a lot of sections, even a section on elections. Or animals. And vehicles.

Just curious which one covers defrauding the US in this conspiracy.

Election fraud and mail fraud (Fraud by electronic means)
 
Election fraud and mail fraud (Fraud by electronic means)
Found section 1030 that seems to pertain to this claim. Says in effect that the unauthorized access used to injure the United States is a crime.

Unfortunately for your theory, Trump said to the world that he wanted the "lost"emails. Which is quite clearly in our best interests whoever had/found them.

Got another section I could read?
 

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