12 Year Old Boy with fake gun dies after shot by Ohio officer

[oldmangrouch]

The threat was very real with the evidence they had at the time.

- The suspect was brandishing a gun and threatening people. NOBODY KNEW the gun was fake because the freaking orange tip was removed (Smart parents there..).
- The suspect was far bigger than your normal 12 year old kid, and honestly with kids now-a-days being the size of adults when they're in their teen years, trying to differentiate that on a 'gun' call is meaningless.
- The suspect reached towards his waistband as soon as the police rolled up. That generally means they are going for something.

Kid defense is moot, because quite often KIDS commit violent crimes. When kids have guns all bets are fucking off in my book, specially ones that have no regard for the law or morals, like waiving or brandishing a gun at people in a park.

Now, in defense of the suspect, the police should have parked many yards away and used extreme caution when confronting the suspect. There was no freaking reason why those two numb skulls had to roll up on the suspect within 10 feet like Starsky and Hutch. For that reason alone I'd punish them. Do I think its a murder charge no. Do I think they should face some other lesser charge, maybe. Do I think they should be removed from the Police force, yes. Do I think that there needs to be some more reform in all of the Police forces across America in regards to using guns, yes. But there is no way in hell I am placing all of this blame on the Police officers.

You nailed it in the last paragraph. From a training/tactical standpoint the behavior of the cops was looney.

 

[MarAzul]

Shoot first and ask later, then?

Naw, you boys would want twenty years in the pen. The cop has to be intuitive and fast enough to only shoot when the bad guy has the gun pointed at him but hasn't shot yet.
Then he needs to beg for the liberal forgiveness with heart felt sincerity and pledge to do only good works for the underprivileged the rest of his life.

Of course he should be more than able to disarm the knife wielder with a stern gaze.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Them color are scary for people such as yourself.

I don't like purple people.

Green aren't much better.

 

[MarAzul]

You love your police state, I understand. Them color are scary for people such as yourself.

Lord that was and ignorant post. I hope you are only temporarily impaired.

 

[blue32]

So say that the caller lied or simply mistaken and that the pellet gun still had the orange tip on, what then? The two cops ran in there gun blazing before assessing the situation. They didn't know if the gun was real or fake not because the pellet gun looked too real but because they didn't bother to investigate first. They also didn't see Rice threatening anyone, but they instantly perceived him to be a threat because they completely believed the information relayed to them from the caller. They used deadly force without first investigating and assessing the situation.

Should it be so easy for me or for anyone to use the police to kill another person? Like I ask earlier: Are cops just mindless weapons and we're okay that they're that way?

The next time I see someone jacking off, I'm going to call the cops on him and vaguely mention that he's waving a "gun" at people. Maybe, just maybe they're stupid enough to take out hiss ass.

I think you're missing my point...

I never was arguing that the police were not at fault. I was just arguing that I do not believe it was murder or a serious charge dancing around that. If you read my posts above you will see that.

I argued that it was mutual fault incident, where the suspect was just as at fault as the police. The suspect was threatening numerous people with a replica gun in a park. There could have been more callers, I don't know, do you? Either way, the caller wasn't lying because guess what, they found a gun on the suspect. Sure it happened to be fake, but nobody knew that because it was a replica, or replica-like (due to the tip being removed). I also state that the police are at fault too for driving up way to close to the suspect. They should have approached from 100+ yards away.

 

[dviss1]

What's amazing to me is that there are many people in this thread that don't trust anything that the government says.

Unless, it has to do with police shooting unarmed citizens... Then they believe everything the government has to say...

 

[dviss1]

I think you're missing my point...

I never was arguing that the police were not at fault. I was just arguing that I do not believe it was murder or a serious charge dancing around that. If you read my posts above you will see that.

I argued that it was mutual fault incident, where the suspect was just as at fault as the police. The suspect was threatening numerous people with a replica gun in a park. There could have been more callers, I don't know, do you? Either way, the caller wasn't lying because guess what, they found a gun on the suspect. Sure it happened to be fake, but nobody knew that because it was a replica, or replica-like (due to the tip being removed). I also state that the police are at fault too for driving up way to close to the suspect. They should have approached from 100+ yards away.

They shot him from the car... The police did a drive by on a 12 year old kid...

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

They shot him from the car... The police did a drive by on a 12 year old kid...

I was going to ask if this is the one where they rolled up gangster style and wasted the kid but this answers that. I've watched so many I can't keep them straight now.

I was just reading about a thing here in Henderson where a k9 officer let his dog in an SUV with an infant in it. The dog bit/mauled her arm.

I just skipped the video because I don't even want to see it.

I'm just numb to it now.