$127m -- Why is LA worth that? (1 Viewer)

[Pinwheel1]

Those of us who would trade LA aren't bashing him at all but he's simply not worth this contract!

He scored 23ppg on 21fga this year -- career: 19ppg on 16fga.

That contract is reserved for uber-stars like LeBron and KD. Clearly LA is just a tier below them.

This is why Neil should at least consider calling Cleveland for that pick.

I would agree....if he was demanding over 25 million/yr like you suggest. But since he hasn't, I am not really understanding the point of this thread.
Are we really going to have a repeat of last summer's multiple threads talking about why we should trade him? I can already see some of you are in full spin cycle.

 

[Rhal]

The number is bogging everything down. A max contract 3 years from now will be vastly different then a max contract now. When the cap goes up significantly like its reported to the max contract value goes up as well and the fact its his third contract does add to it as well.
So toss the money out and ask yourself is LA worth a max 5 year contract, I think he is and any team with the cap space is going to be offering him a max as well.

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[OregonHuskerMan]

I have yet to read a good reason as to why some of you think he's worth the max he's going to seek -- $127m.

LA knows this will be his last big contract, no way does he take less than the max.

When small market teams get a star, they have to keep them. You give him the max if thats what he wants. Might not be best for business, but better than rebuilding because no other star will want to sign here - and the draft isn't a sure thing.

That said, Id be pissed if we gave him 127 mill.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I have yet to read a good reason as to why some of you think he's worth the max he's going to seek -- $127m.

LA knows this will be his last big contract, no way does he take less than the max.

You are worth what the market will pay you. The market will pay him a max contract, therefore, he's worth that. Numbers be damned, stats be damned, you can't just look at a guy and say "that's a max contract guy". No, its what people will pay you based on what will happen if they won't retain you. There isn't only a select 4 or 5 "max contract guys". There are what, 30 teams, and any of them would throw the max at players they think there is value.

Its sales 101. Nothing to do with how many points or rebound he has. Max contracts aren't "reserved" for any tier of player, its what the market dictates they'll command.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Okay, debate it. Top 2? 3? 4? Where do you rank him? I'd say Top 3 player at any position in the NBA is worth a max contract.

LMA is worth a max contract, there is nothing ridiculous about it.

Even a dog-shaped goat roper finds a blind squirrel once in a while!

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

You are worth what the market will pay you. The market will pay him a max contract, therefore, he's worth that. Numbers be damned, stats be damned, you can't just look at a guy and say "that's a max contract guy". No, its what people will pay you based on what will happen if they won't retain you. There isn't only a select 4 or 5 "max contract guys". There are what, 30 teams, and any of them would throw the max at players they think there is value.

Its sales 101. Nothing to do with how many points or rebound he has. Max contracts aren't "reserved" for any tier of player, its what the market dictates they'll command.

Ah, but the teams who give the players WORTH max contracts them, they tend to win championships while others get saddled with awful contracts and no flexibility.

Kind of like the Lakers mess now, Kobe sucks and flexibility is nothing.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Ah, but the teams who give the players WORTH max contracts them, they tend to win championships while others get saddled with awful contracts and no flexibility.

Kind of like the Lakers mess now, Kobe sucks and flexibility is nothing.

Its a gamble. What if Dwight Howard stayed in LA, other dominos would have fallen as well. Its not so black and white. You don't do everything you can to retain Aldridge, your chances of keeping Lillard or attracting free agents gets diminished.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Random thoughts, in no particular order:

Stott's offense is predicated on defenses having to focus on LaMarcus (aka "Dirk Light"). IOW: His value to this team is greater than his personal efficiency or production. Which is already pretty damn good.

LaMarcus is the best PF in the NBA, for Stott's offense. Although Ginger Griffin is a far superior flopper, Aldridge probably has the best all around skill set of any PF in the league.

The market will dictate how much LaMarcus is to be paid.

Every draft pick is a risk -- every single one of them. Virtually none contribute at the level of a LaMarcus Aldridge in their first few years. So if we are in win now mode now, we won't trade LaMarcus for a draft pick now.

If we are in win now mode at the end of next season, we will pay LaMarcus the market rate (whatever that is) and worry about five years from now, four years from now.

LaMarcus is likely to only consider finishing his career in one of two places: Portland or Texas. Trading him to a city like Cleveland is simply not going to happen (unless Cleveland is stupid....).

I'm not dead set opposed to trading LaMarcus, for the right deal. What is the right deal? I haven't seen it yet. Make me an offer.

I'm out of random thoughts for now. Time for work.

Who the hell do you think you are, BBert, coming in here all lucid and logical like that? Are you trying to ruin this place or something?

 

[BlazerWookee]

BTW, I'll be pissed if we don't immediately pay him whatever he asks. I want to see #12 in the rafters when he retires.

 

[RR7]

BTW, I'll be pissed if we don't immediately pay him whatever he asks. I want to see #12 in the rafters when he retires.

I think your lynching desires belong in the mark Cuban thread

 

[Denny Crane]

$127M is $.127 BILLION

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think your lynching desires belong in the mark Cuban thread

You must have forgotten; we allegedly do that 20 miles outside of town.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You must have forgotten; we allegedly do that 20 miles outside of town.

40 miles you racist

 

[santeesioux]

You must have forgotten; we allegedly do that 20 miles outside of town.

You don't even want to know what goes on down here, allegedly!

 

[H.C.]

Kevin Love put up better numbers than LA did this year, Griffin only trailed in the rebound department and was much more efficient. Davis was also right there with them and he is a much better defender than LA.

Dirk is too old and too one sided to be on that list Ibaka is just not good enough

Kevin Love has never made the playoffs therefore he cannot put up the numbers Aldridge did this year because he can't get his team there. thought that was self explanatory... but maybe I should have said it better. my bad.
anyone playing with CP3 would be efficient with how he gets them buckets. See Tyson Chandler.

 

[blue9]

Kevin Love has never made the playoffs therefore he cannot put up the numbers Aldridge did this year because he can't get his team there. thought that was self explanatory...

It's not "self explanatory", nor is it even a decent argument. Kevin Love has never played with a roster that's half as good as the roster we fielded this season.
When LMA had mediocre rosters he never got his team in the playoffs either.
Let's stop with this dumb comparison.
If this "Love/LMA can't take their teams to the POs" thing tells us anything, it's that PFs generally aren't players you should build around. In the past 30ish years there have been, what, TWO PFs that have been the centerpiece of a Championship team? Neither Love nor LMA are anything close to being on that level.

 

[H.C.]

It's not "self explanatory", nor is it even a decent argument. Kevin Love has never played with a roster that's half as good as the roster we fielded this season.
When LMA had mediocre rosters he never got his team in the playoffs either.
Let's stop with this dumb comparison.
If this "Love/LMA can't take their teams to the POs" thing tells us anything, it's that PFs generally aren't players you should build around. In the past 30ish years there have been, what, TWO PFs that have been the centerpiece of a Championship team? Neither Love nor LMA are anything close to being on that level.

Because the Wolfs have zero talent on their roster. lets stop with that dumb assumption right there.

Rubio<Lillard
Martin > Matthews offensively.
Aldridge > Love period.
Pek > Lopez.
Zero talent on that wolfs roster.
JJ Berea has proven he's a commodity that can change the pace of a game. like him or not.

Aldridge got the Blazers to the playoffs when Roy was injured with a mediocre roster. Thank you come again.

"self explanatory" was meant for you know.. my PREVIOUS POST when I thought it was self explanatory when I said none of the players listed could put up the numbers Aldridge did because they DIDN'T make the playoffs? Once again. my bad I guess I have to draw a picture.

 

[blue9]

Because the Wolfs have zero talent on their roster. lets stop with that dumb assumption right there.

Rubio<Lillard
Martin > Matthews offensively.
Aldridge > Love period.
Pek > Lopez.
Zero talent on that wolfs roster.
JJ Berea has proven he's a commodity that can change the pace of a game. like him or not.

Aldridge got the Blazers to the playoffs when Roy was injured with a mediocre roster. Thank you come again.

"self explanatory" was meant for you know.. my PREVIOUS POST when I thought it was self explanatory when I said none of the players listed could put up the numbers Aldridge did because they DIDN'T make the playoffs? Once again. my bad I guess I have to draw a picture.

Rubio is terrible as a starter.
Martin is terrible as a starter.
Pek is good offensively, but not so good defensively - Lopez certainly provides more to our team than Pek does to his team.
JJ? Sure, I'd take him over Mo, but that's not saying much.
When it comes to it, our 5th best player is better than their 2nd best player.

 

[RoyToy]

I have yet to read a good reason as to why some of you think he's worth the max he's going to seek -- $127m.

LA knows this will be his last big contract, no way does he take less than the max.

He's definitely not worth $127m

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Its a gamble. What if Dwight Howard stayed in LA, other dominos would have fallen as well. Its not so black and white. You don't do everything you can to retain Aldridge, your chances of keeping Lillard or attracting free agents gets diminished.

Dwight Howard is clearly worth a max contract, to most people, he is a clear top 5 player, warranted or not. LA I'm not sure is in the same discussion either way. The Lakers clearly wanted him no matter the cost. I'm not so sure that applies to the situation, in my eyes. I can't think of a team with a fringe top 10 player as there building block that will make 20+ mill under their contract.

On the flip side, I'd argue we still have a chance to keep Dame if we trade LMA for the right pieces, not that I am advocating that yet. I'm more curious to see how next year goes.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

BTW, I'll be pissed if we don't immediately pay him whatever he asks. I want to see #12 in the rafters when he retires.

I would rather see one of those championship banners hanging; but maybe that's just me.

We aren't winning a championship if LMA gets his 5 year 127 mill contract. Bookmark it.

 

[Rhal]

I would rather see one of those championship banners hanging; but maybe that's just me.

We aren't winning a championship if LMA gets his 5 year 127 mill contract. Bookmark it.

We arent winning a championship in the next 5 years if we let LMA go. Bookmark it.

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[Natebishop3]

There's really only a handful of players worth that kind of money.

Kevin Durant
LeBron James
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Kobe (when he was healthy)

I could see Anthony Davis being worth that kind of money eventually.

 

[Pinwheel1]

There's really only a handful of players worth that kind of money.

Kevin Durant
LeBron James
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Kobe (when he was healthy)

I could see Anthony Davis being worth that kind of money eventually.

Kobe makes the Lakers money, so he deserves it even if he has taken a step back.
Durant and of course Lebron also deserve 25 mil.

Cp3, Melo and Howard should be in the 20 mil range.

LMA is right behind IMO with Love, and Griffin in the 18 mil range.

The youngsters are yet to be determined.

 

[PapaG]

There's really only a handful of players worth that kind of money.

Kevin Durant
LeBron James
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Kobe (when he was healthy)

I could see Anthony Davis being worth that kind of money eventually.

Chris Paul has never led a team to a conference finals, nor won an MVP. He's 9 years into the league now and has had multiple knee surgeries. He missed 19 games last season, and has played over 70 games once the last five seasons.

Brilliant move giving him a 5/$127m deal, considering all of the hand-wringing you did over Roy's contract.

 

[Natebishop3]

Chris Paul has never led a team to a conference finals, nor won an MVP. He's 9 years into the league now and has had multiple knee surgeries. He missed 19 games last season, and has played over 70 games once the last five season.

Brilliant move giving him a 5/$127m deal, considering all of the hand-wringing you did over Roy's contract.

He's the best point guard in the NBA.

He's a future HOFer.

He has led the league in assists for how many years?

First team All-NBA how many times?

Do you really want to compare resumes with Aldridge?

 

[PapaG]

Anthony Davis has yet to play over 67 games in a season.

 

[Natebishop3]

Anthony Davis has yet to play over 67 games in a season.

Yup. He's not worth 127 million right now, is he?

 

[H.C.]

Rubio is terrible as a starter.
Martin is terrible as a starter.
Pek is good offensively, but not so good defensively - Lopez certainly provides more to our team than Pek does to his team.
JJ? Sure, I'd take him over Mo, but that's not saying much.
When it comes to it, our 5th best player is better than their 2nd best player.

so 5th best player.. as in Mo Williams or Robin Lopez is better than Kevin Martin? or is it Ricky Rubio?
You might be able to make that case about Rubio, but not Martin.
Martin leads Matthews in basically every statistical category there is or is only slightly less than Matthews.
If Matthews is the 4th best Blazers than Martin is better than him on a statistical biases.
If Batum is the 3rd best Blazer, he only beats Martin in the categories he should be beating him in(minus assists) as Batum is a forward, and Martin is a Guard.
Once again Durability plays a role here. Both Batum and Matthews have shown they'll play through injuries.
But purely statistical Martin is better than Both Batum and Matthews.
Sense everyone is into this PER stat nowadays...
Batum - 15.86
Wesley - 15.70
Martin - 16.37

Pek and Lopez are similar players but Pek is far more gifted offensively.
Taking his rookie year out of the equation. He's never averaged less than 13.9pgg
You might be able to make the case that Lopez is far more durable than Pek but that's it.

PER

Pek - 20.72
Lopez - 17.68

Point is the Wolfs do have talent. so that argument is false.

This isn't even adding JJ Berea into the mix. I can do that as well if you'd like.

 

[PapaG]

He's the best point guard in the NBA.

He's a future HOFer.

He has led the league in assists for how many years?

First team All-NBA how many times?

Do you really want to compare resumes with Aldridge?

He's yet to make a conference finals.

He'll be 29 years-old next year.

His game is based on quickness, and he lacks cartilage in at least one of his knees.

I'm not comparing him to LMA. I simply looking at what is known about Paul, in terms of team success and his injury history.