15 questions evolutionists cannot adequately answer

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magnifier661 said:
FAIL.. We are talking about a living, conscious, think for itself objects. Like a single-celled organism or even a complex organism like a pokemon!
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It operates the same way. Evolution is unpredictable in the same way.
 
magnifier661 said:
FAIL.. We are talking about a living, conscious, think for itself objects. Like a single-celled organism or even a complex organism like a pokemon!
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Mags, have you ever counted all of your money, one penny at a time? Literally counted to that number?
 
magnifier661 said:
Further explain why you think it's not by accident? Because we are talking about the beginning right? The evolution from that point forward could be argued, but if there isn't a creator, then the "first program" was by accident.
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the theory of evolution is just an explanation for how speciation occurs. it doesn't make any claims about origins.

I think you have me confused with someone else bro.
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No chance of that lol. I was just responding to your statement about what scientists haven't observed. They have observed exactly what would be expected if evolution were true. If you think they should be seeing something else you don't understand the theory correctly.
 
crowTrobot said:
the theory of evolution is just an explanation for how speciation occurs. it doesn't make any claims about origins.



No chance of that lol. I was just responding to your statement about what scientists haven't observed. They have observed exactly what would be expected if evolution were true. If you think they should be seeing something else you don't understand the theory correctly.
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I haven't denied or agreed about evolution. Show me where you would assume I would disagree that evolution is false?

As for origin, the egg had to come from somewhere. Choosing to ignore it because you can't observe it, is quite the scapegoat isn't it
 
X2XP said:
It operates the same way. Evolution is unpredictable in the same way.
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Sorry, but the it doesn't work that way buddy... Because the theory of evolution could operate in that same way, but thats in same theory of an already "pre-programed" dNA code in a living organism. The code inside one DNA strain has enough information to print enough books to travel to the sun and back. The way a solar system collides with another and forms an entirely new solar system is like explaining, combining hydrogen with oxygen to form water. It is a complex composition, but not a conscious one.

One solar system didn't consciously collied with another to make itself stronger... It, by chance, collided and then formed another. The theory of evolution is a natural adaptation of a living organism to the environmental surroundings to make itself strong and more adaptable.
 
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magnifier661 said:
I haven't denied or agreed about evolution.
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I know you're not disputing common descent, but you are denying DNA could have evolved independently of some sort of designing intelligence. The theory of evolution (by natural selection) IS the theory that it did exactly that.

As for origin, the egg had to come from somewhere. Choosing to ignore it because you can't observe it, is quite the scapegoat isn't it
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Not ignoring. Just trying to keep your subjects separated. Evolution, abiogenesis, and anything to do with cosmology are all different subjects.
 
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magnifier661 said:
And?
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What you're asking for, is to see someone count every penny you own all at once. We can do that with computers, but we don't have that kind of technology yet to demonstrate literally all of the evolutionary process in a matter of minutes. It took billions of years for nature to perform that, and in time, hopefully you can see a more full answer. =]
 
Eastoff said:
What you're asking for, is to see someone count every penny you own all at once. We can do that with computers, but we don't have that kind of technology yet to demonstrate literally all of the evolutionary process in a matter of minutes. It took billions of years for nature to perform that, and in time, hopefully you can see a more full answer. =]
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The way I see it is powers of two.

1 cell divides makes 2. 2 cells divide make 4. 4 cells make 8. And so on.

Mags seems to think it's linear. That a mutation can only occur one at a time. After the first cell divides, you can have 2 new mutations. Then you can have 4. And so on.

2 to the 32nd power is a number in the billions. When you consider the billions of years life has existed and cells divide, you get number more like 2 to the "holy shit that's a really huge number."
 
Denny Crane said:
The way I see it is powers of two.

1 cell divides makes 2. 2 cells divide make 4. 4 cells make 8. And so on.

Mags seems to think it's linear. That a mutation can only occur one at a time. After the first cell divides, you can have 2 new mutations. Then you can have 4. And so on.

2 to the 32nd power is a number in the billions. When you consider the billions of years life has existed and cells divide, you get number more like 2 to the "holy shit that's a really huge number."
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Where did he post this? I would like to read the original. Your analogy seems similar to cancer.
 
Denny Crane said:
The way I see it is powers of two.

1 cell divides makes 2. 2 cells divide make 4. 4 cells make 8. And so on.

Mags seems to think it's linear. That a mutation can only occur one at a time. After the first cell divides, you can have 2 new mutations. Then you can have 4. And so on.

2 to the 32nd power is a number in the billions. When you consider the billions of years life has existed and cells divide, you get number more like 2 to the "holy shit that's a really huge number."
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Yeah, the sheer size of numbers in the universe is unimaginably large. It's like trying to watch the life of every human who has ever lived. Then trying to watch the life of every dog who has ever lived. The life of every cat that has ever lived. The life of every mouse that has ever lived. There is just SO MUCH going on, and has been going on.

Another weird way to think about it, is to imagine everything you've ever seen in your life; then imagine adding in a cartoon of a donkey in the lower left corner. Suddenly twice as many life experiences. Or add shovel in the lower left corner, three times as many life experiences. The volume of possibilities and numbers in life is truly mind boggling.
 
MarAzul said:
Where did he post this? I would like to read the original. Your analogy seems similar to cancer.
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It's sort of like cancer, but sometimes it's a good genetic freak, like Lebron.
 
It's been mentioned several times in this thread that most mutations are detrimental. This is not true. Most mutations are neither advantageous nor detrimental. But certainly more are detrimental than advantageous.
 
Denny Crane said:
The way I see it is powers of two.

1 cell divides makes 2. 2 cells divide make 4. 4 cells make 8. And so on.

Mags seems to think it's linear. That a mutation can only occur one at a time. After the first cell divides, you can have 2 new mutations. Then you can have 4. And so on.

2 to the 32nd power is a number in the billions. When you consider the billions of years life has existed and cells divide, you get number more like 2 to the "holy shit that's a really huge number."
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No, the theory of evolution is a sound theory. Not saying cell mutation can occur or disputing evolution in this sense.

But you had a key word. 1 cell makes 2 then 2 make 4, etc.

Notice they are all cells? That all already have DNA in it?

What I am disputing is the first cell being programed from chance.
 
Eastoff said:
It's sort of like cancer, but sometimes it's a good genetic freak, like Lebron.
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I don't know. What does his dad look like? I have never seen him, perhaps he didn't mutate at all.
 
MarAzul said:
I don't know. What does his dad look like? I have never seen him, perhaps he didn't mutate at all.
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Good point!
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MarAzul said:
Where did he post this? I would like to read the original. Your analogy seems similar to cancer.
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In a thread a long time ago when he tried to calculate the number of possible mutations since time began (at the big bang!).
 
magnifier661 said:
No, the theory of evolution is a sound theory. Not saying cell mutation can occur or disputing evolution in this sense.

But you had a key word. 1 cell makes 2 then 2 make 4, etc.

Notice they are all cells? That all already have DNA in it?

What I am disputing is the first cell being programed from chance.
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Whoops!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis

Dude, there wasn't one "first cell." There were probably a large number of the most primitive ones at the same time. It took over 100 million years for them to form.

Once you have carbon based molecules, you have at least the precursors for biology. These organic chemicals are naturally occurring and so abundant that it's hard to believe life arose from anything else.
 
Denny Crane said:
Whoops!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis

Dude, there wasn't one "first cell." There were probably a large number of the most primitive ones at the same time. It took over 100 million years for them to form.

Once you have carbon based molecules, you have at least the precursors for biology. These organic chemicals are naturally occurring and so abundant that it's hard to believe life arose from anything else.
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Well when you find an observed occurrence of this theory, then you have something. Until then, it's just speculation.
 
magnifier661 said:
Well when you find an observed occurrence of this theory, then you have something. Until then, it's just speculation.
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Observing it is impossible. The process might take 100 million years. No scientist lives that long.
 
Denny Crane said:
Observing it is impossible. The process might take 100 million years. No scientist lives that long.
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Seems like a convenient situation to me. And you don't need one scientist to observe it. It can be an ongoing study, much like the ones we see evolving right now.
 
magnifier661 said:
Seems like a convenient situation to me. And you don't need one scientist to observe it. It can be an ongoing study, much like the ones we see evolving right now.
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How did you get here? Nobody alive observed your great great great great grandparents alive.
 
magnifier661 said:
Observation of family history. Pictures, life records. They existed, and documented.
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Nobody alive observed them.

There are equivalents of pictures, records, etc., for the carbon based molecules.
 
I am totally unimpressed. You have no original thoughts. All you can do is copy/paste from creationist web sites without even bothering to research if any of what you wrote is true. Many of these unanswered questions have been answered, some 100 years ago, some more recently. You would know that if you bothered to spend 30 minutes actually fact checking before you copy/paste.

It is, however, true, that we do not yet know how life originated on Earth. As Bill Nye said, let's go find out. Science never claimed to know "everything". Science asks questions and seeks answers. Every answer gives rise to 100 new questions. That is how knowledge grows. And that is how science is different from copy/paste religion. Copy/paste religion says "god did it, end of story". We saw this in the recent debate where Nye said "let's find out" and the creationist said "a book was written 2000 years ago". What a dreary boring view of the universe. Everything already written down 2000 years ago, nothing to learn.
 
The genetic mutation/natural selection engine is part of the equation, but doesn't seem adequate to explain all evolution. The origin of life, DNA and even life itself as we can observe it are big mysteries. Someone brought up how a chicken develops from a single egg, but we still don't know what coordinates the differintiating cells into the complete organism. How are instinctual behaviors passed down in DNA? Baby spiders are born knowing how to spin a web for example.
 
crandc said:
I am totally unimpressed. You have no original thoughts. All you can do is copy/paste from creationist web sites without even bothering to research if any of what you wrote is true. Many of these unanswered questions have been answered, some 100 years ago, some more recently. You would know that if you bothered to spend 30 minutes actually fact checking before you copy/paste.

It is, however, true, that we do not yet know how life originated on Earth. As Bill Nye said, let's go find out. Science never claimed to know "everything". Science asks questions and seeks answers. Every answer gives rise to 100 new questions. That is how knowledge grows. And that is how science is different from copy/paste religion. Copy/paste religion says "god did it, end of story". We saw this in the recent debate where Nye said "let's find out" and the creationist said "a book was written 2000 years ago". What a dreary boring view of the universe. Everything already written down 2000 years ago, nothing to learn.
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Well written and I wish some in the scientific community think in the same way. It's okay to be wrong 99% of the time, as long as an open mind and unbiased study is used.

Hasn't been the case in this debate for most.
 
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