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MarAzul said:
I have read of this, I also know that man causes U239 to be created from U235. Several more as I recall but I never really gain much interest in this area.
Except for when I was designing my ballast for my sailboat. The US government has tons of depleted Uranium stored in Oak Ridge and a some in Hanford.
Since it's specific density is about 170% of lead, I wanted to use some of that. They advertise on their website, to come up with some uses and it's yours.

Pure BS, they advertise one thing and do another. The Boss at Hanford told me, "It ain't going to happen". Plus, he needed to report me for trying. Funny, there was a manufacture that made high density cement with depleted Uranium in it. I tried to get some of that but it is no longer made period.
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Yeah, basically the concept is that gravity and the strong force can bind together protons/neutrons and electrons will join in the fun. This will climb all the way up until Iron, at which point Neutrons start decaying into Protons. And then capture more electrons and neutrons.

So next we can talk about how some elements have empty electron orbitals. IE they feel incomplete and wish to fill a literal void in their electron spaces, so they form bonds with other atoms creating chemicals.

How's this going so far? Still following? it's easy to dismiss something when it's all together, but harder to dismiss when you go step by step.
 
Eastoff said:
How's this going so far? Still following? it's easy to dismiss something when it's all together, but harder to dismiss when you go step by step.
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dismiss? no I would put it another way, our character type causes us to have different talents and interests, and therefore fill different niches.
I am pleased to see you have interests, it makes for a happy life.
But excuse me, you mistook me for someone who gave a shit.
 
I give a shit. Chemistry and physics are legos for the growing mind.
 
MarAzul said:
dismiss? no I would put it another way, our character type causes us to have different talents and interests, and therefore fill different niches.
I am pleased to see you have interests, it makes for a happy life.
But excuse me, you mistook me for someone who gave a shit.
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You asked how life can come from nothing, and i'm trying to explain it step by step. My point was to say "Well that's too complex to happen." without the details isn't fair. I'm trying to give those details and make sure you understand each.
 
Eastoff said:
You asked how life can come from nothing, and i'm trying to explain it step by step. My point was to say "Well that's too complex to happen." without the details isn't fair. I'm trying to give those details and make sure you understand each.
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Far a field I think.
Have you written any code to create any process? Perhaps for a Computer?
Can you write any DNA code? Can you modify it? There are people that can.
But none have written any code for a new life form. So, I am force to think, you do not know how this is done or I imagine you would have
let the world in on the how by now.
 
MarAzul said:
Modified code.
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New code.

From the moment life gained a foothold on Earth the diversity of organisms has been written in a DNA code of four letters. The latest study moves life beyond G, T, C and A – the molecules or bases that pair up in the DNA helix – and introduces two new letters of life: X and Y.
 
Denny Crane said:
New code.

From the moment life gained a foothold on Earth the diversity of organisms has been written in a DNA code of four letters. The latest study moves life beyond G, T, C and A – the molecules or bases that pair up in the DNA helix – and introduces two new letters of life: X and Y.
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Modified Code

He can't do it without DNA to begin his process. He takes DNA and Modifies it, may even add new lines and create new species. But he has to start with created life, he can't do it from elements alone.

Modified code.
 
MarAzul said:
Modified Code

He can't do it without DNA to begin his process. He takes DNA and Modifies it, may even add new lines and create new species. But he has to start with created life, he can't do it from elements alone.

Modified code.
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New code. X and Y where previously life only had A,C,G, and T.
 
Denny Crane said:
New code. X and Y where previously life only had A,C,G, and T.
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Obtuse, he cannot do the process without DNA to begin, so any change not matter how grand is a modification.
He did not create life without life to begin.
Fine and in fee'-nay
 
MarAzul said:
Obtuse, he cannot do the process without DNA to begin, so any change not matter how grand is a modification.
He did not create life without life to begin.
Fine and in fee'-nay
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You have to start with something. You can't make matter or energy from nothing.

You wrote: "But none have written any code for a new life form. So, I am force to think, you do not know how this is done or I imagine you would have
let the world in on the how by now."

And yes, they wrote code for a new life form.
 
Denny Crane said:
You have to start with something. You can't make matter or energy from nothing.

You wrote: "But none have written any code for a new life form. So, I am force to think, you do not know how this is done or I imagine you would have
let the world in on the how by now."

And yes, they wrote code for a new life form.
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No, he modified existing code for a new life form. But you know it. He has all the elements required, he just doesn't have that final touch, to turn elements into the DNA
The is only one being with that missing skill, and I know you know, but won't say.
 
MarAzul said:
No, he modified existing code for a new life form. But you know it. He has all the elements required, he just doesn't have that final touch, to turn elements into the DNA
The is only one being with that missing skill, and I know you know, but won't say.
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He didn't use the e-coli for it's DNA. He used it as the husk of a cell in which to insert the artificially created DNA.
 
Denny Crane said:
He didn't use the e-coli for it's DNA. He used it as the husk of a cell in which to insert the artificially created DNA.
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Seem like a different article.

"Into this he inserted a loop of genetic material that carried normal DNA and two synthetic DNA bases"

Hell! He even calls it Modified.

"Romesberg found that when the modified bacteria divided they passed on the natural DNA as expected. But they also replicated the synthetic code and passed that on"
 
It's the bacteria that's modified. It's modified to carry the artificially newly invented and coded DNA.

This last article is from 2010 where they copied an existing DNA. This new article is from this year where they created entirely new DNA. A brand new program. A design by humans.

The whole point is they can invent new species. Like one that eats garbage and turns it into crude oil in a short amount of time. Or maybe one that attacks leukemia cells in cancer patients.

This is the most basic kind of life - a single celled organism.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's the bacteria that's modified. It's modified to carry the artificially newly invented and coded DNA.

This last article is from 2010 where they copied an existing DNA. This new article is from this year where they created entirely new DNA. A brand new program. A design by humans.

The whole point is they can invent new species. Like one that eats garbage and turns it into crude oil in a short amount of time. Or maybe one that attacks leukemia cells in cancer patients.

This is the most basic kind of life - a single celled organism.
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I applaud these guys, great work, wonderful contributions.
It's marvelous out they can modify the DNA and make what is needed.
Ring the Nobel bell!
 
MarAzul said:
I applaud these guys, great work, wonderful contributions.
It's marvelous out they can modify the DNA and make what is needed.
Ring the Nobel bell!
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Look, I gave you steps 1, 2, and 3. Denny is giving you steps 5,6. Steps 8,9,10 are almost always taught as evolution in modern Biology courses. You're getting argumentative because steps 4 and 7 have not been proven yet, but we have 80% of "life from nothing" explicitly explained for you. All of this has been found in the last 200 years of human existence. Give it another 100 years, and I guarantee scientists will fill in the gaps.
 
I always love these debates. Nothing spells pwnt like an athiest getting angry over a god they think doesnt exist.
 
Eastoff said:
Look, I gave you steps 1, 2, and 3. Denny is giving you steps 5,6. Steps 8,9,10 are almost always taught as evolution in modern Biology courses. You're getting argumentative because steps 4 and 7 have not been proven yet, but we have 80% of "life from nothing" explicitly explained for you. All of this has been found in the last 200 years of human existence. Give it another 100 years, and I guarantee scientists will fill in the gaps.
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They're making artificial cells, too. It's just a matter of time before they're used and the entire organism is made by man.
 
Denny Crane said:
They're making artificial cells, too. It's just a matter of time before they're used and the entire organism is made by man.
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I think you mean the entire organism is created in man's image. :devilwink:
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
I always love these debates. Nothing spells pwnt like an athiest getting angry over a god they think doesnt exist.
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No. A pro science person getting angry over those who think ignorance is a virtue. Atheism is not the issue.
 
Eastoff said:
Look, I gave you steps 1, 2, and 3. Denny is giving you steps 5,6. Steps 8,9,10 are almost always taught as evolution in modern Biology courses. You're getting argumentative because steps 4 and 7 have not been proven yet, but we have 80% of "life from nothing" explicitly explained for you. All of this has been found in the last 200 years of human existence. Give it another 100 years, and I guarantee scientists will fill in the gaps.
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Incompleteness is inevitable (see Kurt Gödel.) There is nothing augmentative in pointing out you have a major step missing. But I suppose I should forgive you for thinking so. You probably detect that I think that step is above your pay grade. (Nothing personal, you, Denny or the fellow that modified the code.)
 
MarAzul said:
Incompleteness is inevitable (see Kurt Gödel.) There is nothing augmentative in pointing out you have a major step missing. But I suppose I should forgive you for thinking so. You probably detect that I think that step is above your pay grade. (Nothing personal, you, Denny or the fellow that modified the code.)
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message heard loud and clear.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
Nothing funnier than an evolutionist touting the THEORY of evolution as infallible fact tbh...
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Who does that? Please, cite me one scientist who says evolution is "infallible". Fact, yes. Infallible? Nothing is infallible.
It's just that in the past 150 or so years no evidence falsifying evolution (which is a FACT, natural selection is the THEORY that explains the FACT) has been found.
And no, bible quotes don't count.

What I want to know is how a thread that started with an absolute absurdity, that I thought had mercifully fallen into the wastebin of the internet, got bumped.
 
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