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jlprk said:
So you think that the rules of logic should bend to reach the desired conclusion. The law should use different rules of logic for one activity than for another.

If you take a logic class, you will find that there is only path in logic. The rules are consistent, not dependent upon a desired outcome.
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Yes.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Not at all. It was just something that occurred to me while I was responding.
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Well you said that the logic I presented might be suitable for killing people or wrecking cars, but not for rape. So you said that the logic of law should change depending on the crime. But logic is more consistent than that.
 
Wrecking cars us way below rape and murder. Cars are inanimate objects.


Yes, I know a lot of men think women are also.
 
jlprk said:
Well you said that the logic I presented might be suitable for killing people or wrecking cars, but not for rape. So you said that the logic of law should change depending on the crime. But logic is more consistent than that.
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No, I said those acts were a different conversation entirely than the rape of a child.

The second part of the post clarified that I don't think the logic you presented holds for the scenarios you described either.
 
jlprk said:
As I understand the law, that part is not required to have broken the law. You break the law watching the video, whether or not the video was made for others to watch.
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If you somehow stumbled across it you would not be breaking the law. But the laws are such that it's incredibly unlikely that you would stumble across it without specifically seeking it out.

In fact, they encourage you to report it if that were to happen.

https://www.google.com/landing/protectchildren/
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Deterrence is to lock them in prison so that they don't continue to pose a serious threat to children. Some would call that punishment for their crime. And if severe punishment deters (or serves as an example to scare off) just one would-be child molester from molesting a child, I'm all for that.
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Any deterrence is the result of logical thought. It might not be correct but at least it's on the right track.
However, the death penalty has little deterrence if any at all according to most academic studies.
If you can't deter someone from committing a serious crime again then I'm all for locking them up for life.
And if the death penalty would definitely save the life of an innocent victim then I would flip the switch. But if life imprisonment would probably save the life of an an innocent victim then why not choose that option over a death penalty?
 
The issue at hand isn't "if you watch a video of a crime being committed, you're also liable." The issue at hand is that if a crime is committed for the sole or partial purpose to record it for others to watch, then watching it does make you culpable, because your demand is at least part of what makes those crimes happen.

So a police officer beating or killing a person in a murderous rage being recorded for accountability doesn't fit that. If you watch it, you didn't help enable the beating/killing. A rape being recorded to put on a website for people to watch does fit because at least some of the motivation for that rape happening was to create content for the website. Child abuse videos fall under the second category.
 
Minstrel said:
The issue at hand isn't "if you watch a video of a crime being committed, you're also liable." The issue at hand is that if a crime is committed for the sole or partial purpose to record it for others to watch, then watching it does make you culpable, because your demand is at least part of what makes those crimes happen.

So a police officer beating or killing a person in a murderous rage being recorded for accountability doesn't fit that. If you watch it, you didn't help enable the beating/killing. A rape being recorded to put on a website for people to watch does fit because at least some of the motivation for that rape happening was to create content for the website. Child abuse videos fall under the second category.
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Louder for the people in the back
 
Josh Duggar, 33, breaks down in tears and mouths 'I love you' to wife Anna as he's led away in handcuffs after he's found GUILTY on two counts of downloading and possessing 'worst of the worst' child porn and faces up to 40 years
  • Jurors in Josh Duggar's trial on Thursday returned guilty verdicts on charges of possessing child pornography and receipt of child pornography
  • The 33-year-old fallen reality TV star broke down in tears as marshals placed him in handcuffs but allowed him to linger for a few moments with family
  • 'I love you', he mouthed towards wife Anna, who remained composed throughout the brief hearing before burying her heads in a supporter's arms
  • Court heard closing arguments from the prosecution and defense Wednesday
  • Prosecutors ridiculed the defense's 'fantasy' claim that a 'high level hacker' could've remotely accessed Duggar's work computer to download the material
  • The government's case is that Duggar installed a secret second operating system on the HP that only he could access
  • Defense attorney Justin Gelfand reminded jurors that they were obliged to clear Duggar unless 'every reasonable doubt' had vanished from their minds'
  • Gelfand said the government failed to preserve vital evidence such as Duggar's internet router, an oversight he described as 'unforgivable'
  • The 33-year-old fallen reality star faces up to 20 years in prison and fines of up to $250,000 for each count when he's sentenced at a later date
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ggar-GUILTY-two-counts-child-pornography.html
 
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Inside Josh Duggar's sordid past: How the father-of- seven - now found guilty of child porn crimes - confessed to molesting his own SISTERS, went to Christian rehab for sex addiction, and was accused of sexual assault by a porn star
  • Josh, 33, has been found guilty of two counts of receiving and possessing child pornography this morning
  • He faces up to 40 years in prison and $500,000 in fines for downloading a sick trove of videos and images of children being sexually abused
  • He and his family rose to fame through a series of TV specials that began in 2004, as well as a TLC show that premiered in 2008
  • But from 2002 to 2003, several of Josh's sisters told their parents that he had touched their breasts and genitals, while they slept and when they were awake
  • Josh was sent to a Christian counseling program and had a 'stern talk' with a family friend, who was later convicted on child pornography charges
  • His parents only spoke to police in 2006 after a tip was made to the Arkansas State Police Child Abuse Hotline about Josh's behavior
  • In 2015, months after the 2006 police report was unearthed, Josh was discovered to have an account on the adultery website Ashley Madison
  • He apologized for his 'secret addiction' to pornography and leading a double life, and was forgiven by his wife, Anna, who recently gave birth to their seventh child
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...stian-reality-TV-stars-contoversial-past.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
  • But from 2002 to 2003, several of Josh's sisters told their parents that he had touched their breasts and genitals, while they slept and when they were awake
  • Josh was sent to a Christian counseling program and had a 'stern talk' with a family friend, who was later convicted on child pornography charges
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Wow, roaches really flock together. The family friend who "sternly" told him that molesting his sisters was wrong was into child pornography himself.
 
Minstrel said:
Wow, roaches really flock together. The family friend who "sternly" told him that molesting his sisters was wrong was into child pornography himself.
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Read the article, he was a 75 yr old retired cop. Fucking disgusting.
 
Pedophile Josh Duggar's wife Anna begs judge for leniency in child porn sentencing, insisting he is the 'kindest person I know' and comparing him to Ronald Reagan - while mom Michelle gushes about his 'tender heart'
  • Josh Duggar, 34, was found guilty of receiving and possessing child porn on December 9 and is awaiting sentencing on May 25
  • His mother, Michelle, and his wife, Anna, both wrote letters to the judge describing Josh's 'character' and pleading for a light sentence
  • Michelle, 55, said her son is 'compassionate toward others,' 'a positive and upbeat person,' and 'an organized and diligent individual'
  • Anna 33, describes herself as still 'happily married' to Josh, writing that the he is 'loving, supportive, and caring father' to his seven children
  • She said he is an 'engaged dad' and they rely on him for 'financial, emotional, and physical support'
  • Anna said Josh 'embodies' this quote by Ronald Reagan: 'There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...art-letter-judge-pleading-light-sentence.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Pedophile Josh Duggar's wife Anna begs judge for leniency in child porn sentencing, insisting he is the 'kindest person I know' and comparing him to Ronald Reagan - while mom Michelle gushes about his 'tender heart'
  • Josh Duggar, 34, was found guilty of receiving and possessing child porn on December 9 and is awaiting sentencing on May 25
  • His mother, Michelle, and his wife, Anna, both wrote letters to the judge describing Josh's 'character' and pleading for a light sentence
  • Michelle, 55, said her son is 'compassionate toward others,' 'a positive and upbeat person,' and 'an organized and diligent individual'
  • Anna 33, describes herself as still 'happily married' to Josh, writing that the he is 'loving, supportive, and caring father' to his seven children
  • She said he is an 'engaged dad' and they rely on him for 'financial, emotional, and physical support'
  • Anna said Josh 'embodies' this quote by Ronald Reagan: 'There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...art-letter-judge-pleading-light-sentence.html
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Father-of-seven Josh Duggar is sentenced to 12.5 years in prison for downloading 'worst of worst' child porn from his computer at his Arkansas car dealership
  • Josh Duggar, 34, was jailed for 12 years and seven months on Wednesday - nearly six months after he was found guilty by a federal jury of child porn charges
  • Judge Timothy Brooks handed down the 151-month sentence at Western District of Arkansas Federal Court in Fayetteville at the end of a day-long hearing
  • The disgraced reality TV star has been in custody since December, when a jury convicted him of two counts of downloading and possessing child porn
  • Judge Brooks sentenced Duggar solely on the receipt charge, agreeing with both parties to vacate the possession charge as it was the lesser of the two
  • Defense attorneys had asked for a five-year stretch, the lightest possible punishment
  • Prosecutors demanded a 20-year term - the maximum possible - arguing that it was hard to think of anything more sadistic that a grown man raping a little girl
  • Last week his mother, Michelle, and his wife, Anna, both wrote letters to the judge describing Josh's 'character' and pleading for a light sentence
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...2-half-years-bars-downloading-child-porn.html
 
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