1st Debate! Trump vs Clinton

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MARIS61 said:
So you are against immigration, even temporary, quasi-legal immigration? That makes you a Trump supporter all the way.
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No, I'm not against immigration at all. You are, at least that's what I understood from your earlier post. Did I misinterpret you?

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
barfo
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Barfo and his clown troupe were hanging around downtown La Pine about 5 or 6 weeks ago. Sightings all up and down Ashton Eaton Blvd.

No one got scared, no one got arrested, no one got shot.

Other parts of the country have been reacting quite differently.
 
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Breitbart, but seems it wouldn't be too difficult to check.

http://trib.al/hm6yKnB

A close analysis of the transcript of the first presidential debate on Monday night shows that moderator Lester Holt of NBC News asked 15 questions exclusively of Republican nominee Donald Trump, and only 2 questions exclusively of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

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Moreover, most of Holt’s questions prompts were overly friendly to Clinton’s point of view, while hostile to Trump. In one of the last exchanges of the debate, for example, Holt strongly implied Trump was a sexist when asking about a past criticism he had made about Clinton lacking a “presidential look.”
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Is it really all that unreasonable to have a debate that doesn't start out tilted to one side or the other?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Breitbart, but seems it wouldn't be too difficult to check.

Is it really all that unreasonable to have a debate that doesn't start out tilted to one side or the other?
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Probably would be a good idea to check that count. I suspect that it includes a few instances where Lester had to re-ask his question because Trump didn't bother to answer it the first time.

Ordinarily a candidate would be happy to get more questions - that means you get to talk more and dominate the discussion. Remember Sleepy Luggage Man complaining during the primaries about being ignored by the moderators?

But since the Orange One doesn't have anything to say, it definitely is a problem for him to get questions. I agree that Lester was unfair to him in that way.

However, the previous thing was skewed the other way - Lauer hammered Hillary for quite a while on emails, and then tossed softballs to Trump.

So it goes.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't have a problem with people coming to the country on any sort of visa, myself, so I'm not sure what your point is here.

Maris expressed that someone hiring someone on an H1B was a "POS traitor", so I want him to acknowledge that Trump is a POS traitor.

barfo
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Who issued the visas?

Obama, Clinton, and the rest of the gang.
 
I can easily name two "successes" for John Kerry as Secy of State, but none for his predecessor. Iran deal (as awful as it was) and Cuba.

OK, I can think of two for Clinton:

Libya

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And Syria

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/o...rs-there-is-a-third-way.html?ref=opinion&_r=1

Gary Johnson: Take a Deep Breath, Voters. There Is a Third Way.

The America I know wasn’t on the television screen on Monday night. My America is about the freedom to make choices, pursue your dreams and use your skills as entrepreneurs. It is about having more choices than just red versus blue.

Americans want to be able to choose a president who is capable of reason, of learning from failures, and of telling them the truth, even when it hurts. Most of all, they want to choose a president who will adhere to the Constitution and will make government live within its means.

I’m offering that choice. I wasn’t part of the presidential debate on Monday, but as Americans listened in dismay to the so-called major parties’ candidates, Google searches for “Gary Johnson” skyrocketed.

I’m the third candidate — the leader of the Libertarian Party. My name will be on every ballot alongside that of my running mate, Bill Weld, who like me was a twice-elected Republican governor of a strongly Democratic state. Contrary to the Republican and Democratic presidential candidates, Bill and I don’t believe the United States is a polarized nation.
 
Denny Crane said:
Who issued the visas?

Obama, Clinton, and the rest of the gang.
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I'm sorry Denny, I don't know what point you are trying to make. What visas are you even talking about?

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/o...rs-there-is-a-third-way.html?ref=opinion&_r=1

Gary Johnson: Take a Deep Breath, Voters. There Is a Third Way. And What is Aleppo?

The America I know wasn’t on the television screen on Monday night. My America is about the freedom to make choices, pursue your dreams and use your skills as entrepreneurs. It is about having more choices than just red versus blue. And what is Aleppo?

Americans want to be able to choose a president who is capable of reason, of learning from failures, and of telling them the truth, even when it hurts. Most of all, they want to choose a president who will adhere to the Constitution and will make government live within its means. And what is Aleppo?

I’m offering that choice. I wasn’t part of the presidential debate on Monday, but as Americans listened in dismay to the so-called major parties’ candidates, Google searches for “Gary Johnson” skyrocketed. And what is Aleppo?

I’m the third candidate — the leader of the Libertarian Party. My name will be on every ballot alongside that of my running mate, Bill Weld, who like me was a twice-elected Republican governor of a strongly Democratic state. Contrary to the Republican and Democratic presidential candidates, Bill and I don’t believe the United States is a polarized nation. And what is Aleppo?
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FTFY.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'm sorry Denny, I don't know what point you are trying to make. What visas are you even talking about?

barfo
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The H2B visas you and the left wing media have their panties in a bunch over.
 
I was thinking about the debate and it occurred to me that it went exactly how I expected. Hillary, all prepared, glib and smug, pushing Donald's buttons with jabs that she knew he wouldn't be able to resist "counterpunching" on. Donald, armed with nothing but his braggadocio and inherent trust in his ability to bullshit and blather through any situation, taking on every zinger she threw his way. He scored a few points, but failed to cut her significantly on any of her huge vulnerabilities because he was distracted by the jabs. Hillary impressed her acolytes, but overall came across as unlikeable as ever. All-in-all, I'll be surprised if the polls move much as a result of this debate. I want some surprises next time. The Donald is supposed to be the master of reality TV, but this was a snoozefest.
 
Denny Crane said:
The H2B visas you and the left wing media have their panties in a bunch over.
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I don't have my panties in a bunch over any visas, so that's why I'm confused. Could you be more explicit?

As far as I understand the thread, Maris said that people who use H1B visas are traitors. I pointed out that Trump has done that, and asked him if he therefore considers Trump a traitor. Note, I personally don't have ANY objection to Trump hiring people on visas. [Trump also has hired some illegal immigrants, which one would think Maris would object to even more... ]

So, I'm still confused as to what your point is.

barfo
 
e_blazer said:
I was thinking about the debate and it occurred to me that it went exactly how I expected. Hillary, all prepared, glib and smug, pushing Donald's buttons with jabs that she knew he wouldn't be able to resist "counterpunching" on. Donald, armed with nothing but his braggadocio and inherent trust in his ability to bullshit and blather through any situation, taking on every zinger she threw his way. He scored a few points, but failed to cut her significantly on any of her huge vulnerabilities because he was distracted by the jabs. Hillary impressed her acolytes, but overall came across as unlikeable as ever. All-in-all, I'll be surprised if the polls move much as a result of this debate. I want some surprises next time. The Donald is supposed to be the master of reality TV, but this was a snoozefest.
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You won't get it, I don't think. Remember when the Republican convention was supposed to be a show like we'd never seen before? Well, it was, but not in a good way. Trump isn't willing to put the effort in. He wants to win by showing up.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't have my panties in a bunch over any visas, so that's why I'm confused. Could you be more explicit?

As far as I understand the thread, Maris said that people who use H1B visas are traitors. I pointed out that Trump has done that, and asked him if he therefore considers Trump a traitor. Note, I personally don't have ANY objection to Trump hiring people on visas. [Trump also has hired some illegal immigrants, which one would think Maris would object to even more... ]

So, I'm still confused as to what your point is.

barfo
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You whined about the visas, you own it.
 
Denny Crane said:
You whined about the visas, you own it.
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Sorry, when did I whine about visas? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I really have no idea what you are talking about.

barfo
 
blue32 said:
Mmmmmm Clinton email like Napalm in the morning..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...e-reveals-role-confidential-clinton-aide.html

If other news agencies would report this shit I wouldn't have to solely go to Fox fucking news.

Or maybe I just suck at finding other news sites.. but I haven't seen the coverage on CBS, NBC, USATODAY or CNN.
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You don't suck, it's a rigged system. Hillary supporters won't even read your link because they are so afraid of the truth.
 
MARIS61 said:
You don't suck, it's a rigged system. Hillary supporters won't even read your link because they are so afraid of the truth.
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I read it, but it isn't clear to me what part is supposed to be new & interesting? So there was an aide that copied/deleted emails? And... how is that different than what we knew before, other than the name of the aide?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Sorry, when did I whine about visas? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I really have no idea what you are talking about.

barfo
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Every post you made about visas, you are whining.

The guy has tens of thousands of employees. 600 visas? OMG!
 
barfo said:
I read it, but it isn't clear to me what part is supposed to be new & interesting? So there was an aide that copied/deleted emails? And... how is that different than what we knew before, other than the name of the aide?

barfo
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The interesting bits are how they went to great effort to preserve emails when Guccifer hacked Sid Birther Blumenthal's email account. When they were of interest in court cases and congressional oversight committees, they obstructed justice by destroying those same emails.

They also transferred top secret documents to thumb drives. Secure. (NOT).

And that top secret documents ended up in the possession of this aide long after she was no longer a government employee.

As with many of her previous crimes, those around her pleaded the 5th.
 
Denny Crane said:
Every post you made about visas, you are whining.

The guy has tens of thousands of employees. 600 visas? OMG!
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You are not getting it. I don't care that he hires people on visas. That's totally fine with me. It's Maris who thinks that that steals jobs from Real Americans.

I have not complained about Trumps use of visas, as far as I can remember. I merely pointed out to Maris that he was being hypocritical, a point which he prefers to ignore.

barfo
 
barfo said:
You are not getting it. I don't care that he hires people on visas. That's totally fine with me. It's Maris who thinks that that steals jobs from Real Americans.

I have not complained about Trumps use of visas, as far as I can remember. I merely pointed out to Maris that he was being hypocritical, a point which he prefers to ignore.

barfo
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But you keep bringing it up.
 
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