1st Debate! Trump vs Clinton (1 Viewer)

[blue32]

Why should people be concerned about that? Do you really think you know more about the law and about her interview with the FBI than the FBI does?



Sure it is. His tax returns will probably show that he's been lying about his charitable contributions, and will probably help reporters uncover more illegal/unethical activities. Those things are worth knowing about.

barfo

You in barfoland™ again? You do realize people have been prosecuted for doing the same thing she did? Her staff received immunity from charges as well for spilling their guts and she walks? And you point to hearsay?

 

[barfo]

You in barfoland™ again? You do realize people have been prosecuted for doing the same thing she did?

Actually, no. I don't realize that. I suppose the closest analogy would be, say, Colin Powell. Was he prosecuted? If there is a better analogy, please present it. And don't say Petraeus - he intentionally handed classified information to someone without clearance. That's a very different case.

Her staff received immunity from charges as well for spilling their guts and she walks?

Not every case where immunity is granted results in charges. Immunity is granted to find out the facts - sometimes those facts don't lead anywhere.

And you point to hearsay?

I'm pointing to the fact that there are a lot of rocks yet to be turned over in Trumpville. We know he lies constantly, so chances are pretty darn good that if we get a chance to turn over some more rocks that we'll find more creepy things.

barfo

 

[blue32]

If there is a better analogy, please present it. And don't say Petraeus - he intentionally handed classified information to someone without clearance. That's a very different case.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-10-punished-less/

Here are some examples that are very similar and people have had their security clearance revoked (As she should) and other fines. Now granted there is one example in there where they were selling information which is not the same so I would never relate those two.

 

[Denny Crane]

If getting angry was all it took to bring about world peace, we'd have gotten there thousands of years ago.

Not impressed.

barfo

If electing Obama and Clinton doesn't bring about peace, why elect them?

I say don't.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure. That's absolutely correct.

Of course, if he was clean, that would be a huge waste of Clinton's time and money, so he'd come out a winner.

But he's not, so he won't.

barfo

It doesn't matter if he's legit or not. The narrative would somehow be negative about his taxes.

The narrative should be about how Clinton is a lying crook. Which is true.

 

[barfo]

It doesn't matter if he's legit or not. The narrative would somehow be negative about his taxes.

It already is.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

It already is.

barfo

No it isn't. The narrative is beauty contestant.

 

[blue32]

No it isn't. The narrative is beauty contestant.

lol -- agree.

... and if your sole job is too look like a knockout bombshell and you end up not playing the part, then yes, step the fuck off and go lose some weight. I have no sympathy for this chick. It's about as savage as casting is in LA.

 

[barfo]

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-10-punished-less/

Here are some examples that are very similar and people have had their security clearance revoked (As she should) and other fines. Now granted there is one example in there where they were selling information which is not the same so I would never relate those two.

Those examples aren't 'very similar'. Several of them involve people stealing classified information. I can't dismiss all of them out of hand, would have to do a little research, but it's pretty clear at a glance that many of those should not be on the list at all.

barfo

 

[barfo]

lol -- agree.

... and if your sole job is too look like a knockout bombshell and you end up not playing the part, then yes, step the fuck off and go lose some weight. I have no sympathy for this chick. It's about as savage as casting is in LA.

You know that's not the issue here. The issue is Trump's behavior.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

lol -- agree.

... and if your sole job is too look like a knockout bombshell and you end up not playing the part, then yes, step the fuck off and go lose some weight. I have no sympathy for this chick. It's about as savage as casting is in LA.

A 160lb woman can look like a knockout bombshell.

 

[blue32]

Those examples aren't 'very similar'. Several of them involve people stealing classified information. I can't dismiss all of them out of hand, would have to do a little research, but it's pretty clear at a glance that many of those should not be on the list at all.

barfo

Look, If I was more interested I would have just copied out the ones that were more relevant to Hillary but I did concede the theft ones were not similar at all.

But you now get the point I was making above. Hillary got preferential treatment and that should be looked into as corruption.

 

[jlprk]

A 160lb woman can look like a knockout bombshell.

Not if she's my ex-wife.

 

[blue32]

A 160lb woman can look like a knockout bombshell.

Sure they can. But not in a Miss Universe or whatever the fuck it was. Sex sells, and everyone knows that.

You know that's not the issue here. The issue is Trump's behavior.

It's what happens in the show business. It's the name of the game. It's life. Hillary is the same type of vile towards many people surrounding her, even her Secret Service agents.
http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/

And let's not forget that this Machado chick isn't all innocent and some victim...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ania-had-racy-tv-encounter-while-engaged.html

 

[barfo]

Look, If I was more interested I would have just copied out the ones that were more relevant to Hillary but I did concede the theft ones were not similar at all.

Well, no, you conceded the ones involving sale of classified info were not similar.

But you now get the point I was making above. Hillary got preferential treatment and that should be looked into as corruption.

No, actually, I don't concede that point. You've given me a list that contains several cases that clearly are not similar, and a couple that might, or might not, be similar. That is not evidence that she was treated preferentially.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

lol -- agree.

... and if your sole job is too look like a knockout bombshell and you end up not playing the part, then yes, step the fuck off and go lose some weight. I have no sympathy for this chick. It's about as savage as casting is in LA.

Trump's remarks toward the woman were at best racial stereotype.

Granted, she is trying to win beauty contests and being overweight isn't a good way to win. From Trump's standpoint, she's not going to draw audience to the program.

What the press isn't reporting is the woman had some criminal and behavioral issues and was truly bad news for the brand. When Trump said she's bad news, he has some truth on his side. Though a smart businessman probably wouldn't talk shit about his employees - they can sue.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1998/E...of-Threat/id-d65cc3f9dbf8d64445e420ccedcd3a5a

EX-MS. UNIVERSE ACCUSED OF THREAT
STEVEN GUTKIN, Associated Press
Feb. 5, 1998 4:36 PM ET

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) _ A Venezuela judge said Thursday a former Miss Universe threatened to kill him after he indicted her boyfriend for attempted murder.

Venezuelan beauty queen Alicia Machado threatened ``to ruin my career as a judge and ... kill me,'' Judge Maximiliano Fuenmayor said on national television.

The 21-year-old Machado, who created an international stir in 1996 when she gained 35 pounds after being crowned Miss Universe, allegedly called the judge after he issued an arrest warrant Wednesday for Juan Rafael Rodriguez Regetti.

Rodriguez, 26, is accused of shooting and wounding his brother-in-law, Francisco Antonio Sbert Mousko, outside a church in Caracas last November where Sbert's wife _ Rodriguez's sister _ was being eulogizing.

Rodriguez apparently blamed Sbert for driving her to commit suicide.

The victim's family accused Machado of driving the getaway car, but Fuenmayor has not indicted her, citing insufficient evidence. The judge said there were no witnesses to place Machado at the scene _ or to back up her claim she was home sick at the time.

Machado could not be reached for comment Thursday. She was in the city of Maracay filming a soap opera Thursday, according to Mariela Castro of Venevision TV network. Machado's lawyer was also unavailable for comment.

Fuenmayor said he planned to open a new case against Machado for Wednesday's threatening phone call.

In the past two decades, Venezuela has had four Miss Universes, four Miss Worlds and two Miss Internationals _ the world's top beauty title record.

(My note: that a Hispanic won Trump's pageant suggests something about his bias against Hispanics that doesn't fit the media's narrative).

 

[barfo]

(My note: that a Hispanic won Trump's pageant suggests something about his bias against Hispanics that doesn't fit the media's narrative).

Was he involved in the judging? If he was, and she's an evil person like you suggest, then doesn't that mean he has bad judgement? If he wasn't, then how does that disprove bias?

Even if she's the reincarnation of Hitler, that doesn't excuse what Trump did. Trump's running for president, not Machado.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Was he involved in the judging? If he was, and she's an evil person like you suggest, then doesn't that mean he has bad judgement? If he wasn't, then how does that disprove bias?

Even if she's the reincarnation of Hitler, that doesn't excuse what Trump did. Trump's running for president, not Machado.

barfo

He owned the pageant. He made the rules.

I'm not excusing him for what he did. I think I said at best he used a racial stereotype against her.

That doesn't change that the media isn't reporting her threatening the judge or other dubious things she's done. It does speak to her credibility now, as a paid spokesperson for the Liar's campaign.

 

[barfo]

He owned the pageant. He made the rules.

Well, then he deserves a lot of credit for not making a rule that Latinas can't win. What a guy!

That doesn't change that the media isn't reporting her threatening the judge or other dubious things she's done.

If the media isn't reporting it, how do you know about it? How do I know about it?

It does speak to her credibility now, as a paid spokesperson for the Liar's campaign.

Trump isn't denying any of it, so credibility isn't really an issue.

barfo

 

[oldfisherman]

NY Attorney General's Probe of Trump Foundation Appears to Widen

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...dation-appears-to-widen/ar-BBwNq9X?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[Sedatedfork]

I'd rather him not name single foreign leaders than have someone in office who wants to bomb most of them and spy on us and them.

Libertarianism is the freedom from having to know anything! Honestly, it is kind of embarrassing. Here you have 2 major candidates that both are equally hated by the electorate. You would think this is the best chance for a third party candidate to succeed since, I guess, Ross Perot. Would it have hurt Johnson that much to try and prepare for the job, like even a little? You may not want to admit it, but you must be pretty disappointed in your candidate floundering at an opportune time to actually get in the debates, etc. If he was at the debates, you would have to wonder how he would perform given his frequent and embarrassing flubs on foreign policy issues. Maybe it's better for him that he doesn't go.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MarAzul]

Trump's remarks toward the woman were at best racial stereotype.

Trump isn't denying any of it, so credibility isn't really an issue.

Only if he said what she claims. Who heard this said in person?

 

[blue32]

Only if he said what she claims. Who heard this said in person?

Good point, and who would trust this person as she clearly is something that is unscrupulous.

 

[MarAzul]

Trump

1) Has admitted to tax avoidance

2) Huh?

3) Suggest bringing back legal stop & frisk laws.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, then he deserves a lot of credit for not making a rule that Latinas can't win. What a guy!



If the media isn't reporting it, how do you know about it? How do I know about it?



Trump isn't denying any of it, so credibility isn't really an issue.

barfo

The media reported about it in 1998. Look at the fucking date on the article.

So you're saying Trump isn't a liar?

That's different.

 

[Denny Crane]

Only if he said what she claims. Who heard this said in person?

The comment about housekeeper. Uncalled for. Racist at worst, racial stereotype at best.

 

[Denny Crane]

Libertarianism is the freedom from having to know anything! Honestly, it is kind of embarrassing. Here you have 2 major candidates that both are equally hated by the electorate. You would think this is the best chance for a third party candidate to succeed since, I guess, Ross Perot. Would it have hurt Johnson that much to try and prepare for the job, like even a little? You may not want to admit it, but you must be pretty disappointed in your candidate floundering at an opportune time to actually get in the debates, etc. If he was at the debates, you would have to wonder how he would perform given his frequent and embarrassing flubs on foreign policy issues. Maybe it's better for him that he doesn't go.

The Libertarian is focused on domestic issues and wants nothing to do with interfering with foreign nations. What a concept.

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ania-had-racy-tv-encounter-while-engaged.html

The former beauty queen who accused Donald Trump of making insensitive remarks about her looks and ethnicity apparently had no issue taking shots at the appearance and speaking ability of Trump’s wife.

Miss Universe 1996 Alicia Machado emerged at the center of a spat between Republican presidential nominee Trump and Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton after Clinton said during Monday’s debate that Trump two decades ago had called Machado “Miss Piggy” due to apparent weight gain. Machado quickly responded on Twitter, typing in Spanish: “Thank you, Mrs. Clinton. Your respect for women and our differences make you great! I’m with you!”

But in a Tuesday interview with Cosmopolitan, Machado took a different tone when asked about Melania Trump, who, like Machado, was a model and immigrant. Trump was born in Slovenia.

“I think I speak more English than her,” Machado, a Venezuela native, said. “I don’t see anything about this girl. She’s a doll. She’s a decoration. That is how I see her.”