2 lesbians adopt a baby boy.....6 years later, he starts sex change therapy....

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EL PRESIDENTE

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Yes, in California in case you were wondering.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl.
Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.

His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hormone-blocking-treatment.html#ixzz1ZOwriJZ8
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THEY SAID THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN. WHUT NOW?
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Even though my family is from Berkeley whenever I read an article involving that scummy little town I know it is going to be something redonkulous. At least I can take solace in my complete disregard for other people and their self-made problems.
 
Good thing this kind of stuff NEVER happens to hetrosexual parents.

(8 does seem young, but I wonder what the average age is of someone who is gay/transgendered etc figures it out. Id rather he/she be emotionally stable instead of living the way I think he/she should. Since I'm not a part of the child's life nor do I have the experience of dealing with someone going through this kind of event)
 
The problem I'd have with it is, how many decisions did you make when you were 8 that, looking back now, were thoughtful, well-considered decisions?

barfo
 
julius said:
Good thing this kind of stuff NEVER happens to hetrosexual parents.

(8 does seem young, but I wonder what the average age is of someone who is gay/transgendered etc figures it out. Id rather he/she be emotionally stable instead of living the way I think he/she should. Since I'm not a part of the child's life nor do I have the experience of dealing with someone going through this kind of event)
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There have been some other stories in the news lately of kids this age beginning the process at least via name-change and dressing (from families with heterosexual parents, oh the horror!!!1!!11!!). Some of them begin taking hormone blockers before puberty to put it on hold until they can start their actual hormone-treatment therapy.
 
It's kind of like when Atlanta Blazer Man shaved off his mustache and softened his name to ABM.

Next he'll be wearing a g-string and want to be called Bambi.
 
barfo said:
The problem I'd have with it is, how many decisions did you make when you were 8 that, looking back now, were thoughtful, well-considered decisions?

barfo
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Not many. But I knew I liked girls at age 8, even if they didn't like me. I also took counseling for something else at the time that I couldnt put a finger on (at the time). It wasn't on the magnitude of this, but it was fairly adult in nature.

I really doubt that my 9 year nephew could make this kind of choice, but I don't doubt that some kids know that something isnt necessarily "right" with them, although I'm not sure suppression of hormones is the way to go, UNLESS that aspect of the treatment isnt for years or so.
 
barfo said:
The problem I'd have with it is, how many decisions did you make when you were 8 that, looking back now, were thoughtful, well-considered decisions?

barfo
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As with all sex-change treatments they must go through countless hours of therapy and see multiple doctors. This is before, during, and after an is a multi-year process. This is also, to my knowledge, hormone blocking and not hormone-treatment therapy which I believe is generally started, at its earliest, around 12-13.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
As with all sex-change treatments they must go through countless hours of therapy and see multiple doctors. This is before, during, and after an is a multi-year process. This is also, to my knowledge, hormone blocking and not hormone-treatment therapy which I believe is generally started, at its earliest, around 12-13.
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Liar. It's part of the socialist, Marxist, leftist gay agenda.
 
On one of those Springer (or such) shows, the topic was "people who had sex changes, then became gay."

I'm, like, they could have saved two moves and probably been better off.
 
Gender identity and sexual orientation are two entirely different matters, so no, they probably could not have.
 
Most 8-year-olds dislike the opposite sex, so they should have the legal right to kill the opposite sex, and their parents, too, if they don't get enough I-Pods. Also, to kill their grandparents and teachers. This would be self-empowering so the kid will grow up strong. It's the wave of the future.

I'm getting into this. Also, 8-year-olds should have the legal right to change their appearance through plastic surgery, to buy a BB gun even if their parents disapprove, and to still wet their pants in class like they did in kindergarten, and to skip baths. Also, 8-year-olds should have the legal right to have as many Christmases per year as they want, and the same for Halloween candy and Easter candy.

8-year-olds are smarter than you think, and it's a lot harder nowadays to grow up. These kids are a lot more mature than we were, and I admire the asinine legal system for granting them the right to have their own penises amputated. We have a bright horizon ahead of us in our social progress.
 
This is a truckload of dynamite waiting to explode. I don't know anything about the family, the boy, or the circumstances surrounding this, so it's hard to get all up in arms. It would be easy to assume that the parents are two man-hating lesbians that have brainwashed this child to believe that men are evil and that he couldn't possibly want to be a man, so the only course of action would be to remove his manhood.

Who knows, that might be the case, but I do know that there are plenty of crazy hetero parents in this country who have irrevocably destroyed their children, both mentally and physically, and nobody bats an eye. :dunno:
 
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jlprk said:
Most 8-year-olds dislike the opposite sex, so they should have the legal right to kill the opposite sex, and their parents, too, if they don't get enough I-Pods. Also, to kill their grandparents and teachers. This would be self-empowering so the kid will grow up strong. It's the wave of the future.

I'm getting into this. Also, 8-year-olds should have the legal right to change their appearance through plastic surgery, to buy a BB gun even if their parents disapprove, and to still wet their pants in class like they did in kindergarten, and to skip baths. Also, 8-year-olds should have the legal right to have as many Christmases per year as they want, and the same for Halloween candy and Easter candy.

8-year-olds are smarter than you think, and it's a lot harder nowadays to grow up. These kids are a lot more mature than we were, and I admire the asinine legal system for granting them the right to have their own penises amputated. We have a bright horizon ahead of us in our social progress.
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Again, it is hormone blockers, not hormone treatment. There is a difference. Also even though it isn't hormone treatment, hormone treatment doesn't involve the amputation of the penis. She is also 11. Quoted in the article to help explain this to you:

His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.

If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
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Many countries have a minimum age of 18 for gender reassignment surgery.

There is hormone blockers (which this young girl is now on to my understanding, at age 11, to prevent her from going through puberty - all it does is block, once taken off the medicine puberty proceeds as normal)

There is hormone treatment, which MTF taking estrogen and other such hormones and FTM taking testosterone and other drugs. Here is writeup of the side-effects, and reversible and irreversible effects:

http://transhealth.vch.ca/library/tcpdocs/guidelines-endocrine.pdf

Then there is gender reassignment, which again in many countries has a minimum age of 18. Though there has been two to my knowledge to have it at sixteen.

This is a multi year (near decade, really) process which requires treatment and evaluation by professionals in multiple medical fields.

Of course some of you can act scared and throw shit against the walls instead of learning about the process because god forbid it is too taboo to understand, or even try.
 
Many of you may know I am a republican, but on certain social issues I lean to the left. Homosexuality is one of them. I think people are born how they are born, and really don't choose to be any certain thing. I think this child might have come to a realization faster being raised by two parents that are obviously tolerant, and in tune with what the child might be feeling. I don't think, however, that he has decided to get a sex change operation simply because he is being raised by two women.
 
I don't see how this is a homosexual or heterosexual issue, it's a parental neglect and abuse issue. These parents are more whacked out than "faith healers", imo, b/c at least the faith-healing whackos are making their decisions as adults (however whacked-out the decision may be). These parents are letting a child decide "...if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy." While jlprk's tongue-in-cheek response is a tad hyperbolic, it's not that far from the truth.

So to get this straight in my head, someone please tell me if any of the following are not factually correct.
1) A child cannot vote until they are 18.
2) A child cannot drive until they are 18 or watch pornographic movies.
3) The age of consent in the UK is 16, but if you're under 18, there are people the government legislates that you're not allowed to have sex with.
4) A child cannot enter into a legal contract until they are 18.
5) A child cannot be civilly liable or access adoption records until they're 18.
6) In the UK, a child cannot get plastic surgery or a tattoo until 16 with parental consent, 18 otherwise.

These laws explicitly state that a minor does not have the mental capacity to be civilly liable or accountable for their actions until age 18, or able to make personal decisions of sexuality, consumption or bodily enhancement until 16 even with parental consent. Yet this child is supposedly able to not only make the decision that he wants to be a she, but to start taking medication that postpones puberty until he has "...time to figure out" what he wants to do.

Since the age that the UK stipulates he can legally "figure out" what he wants to do with parental consent is 16, it sounds like his parents are allowing him to take medication/hormone blocking treatment that means he won't go through puberty until 16. I struggle to imagine that any "professional in multiple medical fields" will grant that that's a healthy, acceptable course of action for a child with identity issues. In fact, I would go out on a limb and surmise that if there were parents who were putting their children on hormone therapy regardless of the child's desire (remember, a child under 16 doesn't have the legal right to make decisions) in order to postpone puberty until 16 would be charged with child abuse.

Additionally, I don't understand why you keep calling the child a girl, TSE.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't see how this is a homosexual or heterosexual issue, it's a parental neglect and abuse issue. These parents are more whacked out than "faith healers", imo, b/c at least the faith-healing whackos are making their decisions as adults (however whacked-out the decision may be). These parents are letting a child decide "...if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy." While jlprk's tongue-in-cheek response is a tad hyperbolic, it's not that far from the truth.
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You think parents that let a child die of a treatable illness or disease waiting for God's saving grace have the moral high ground over parents who are allowing their child to use hormone blockers? Do you really?
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't see how this is a homosexual or heterosexual issue, it's a parental neglect and abuse issue. These parents are more whacked out than "faith healers", imo, b/c at least the faith-healing whackos are making their decisions as adults (however whacked-out the decision may be). These parents are letting a child decide "...if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy."

So to get this straight in my head, someone please tell me if any of the following are not factually correct.
1) A child cannot vote until they are 18.
2) A child cannot drive until they are 18 or watch pornographic movies.
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watch or own? I'm not being flippant.

btw, why are you bringing up UK rules (below)? It's not a UK issue.

Also, I was driving at 16.

3) The age of consent in the UK is 16, but if you're under 18, there are people the government legislates that you're not allowed to have sex with.
4) A child cannot enter into a legal contract until they are 18.
5) A child cannot be civilly liable or access adoption records until they're 18.
6) In the UK, a child cannot get plastic surgery or a tattoo until 16 with parental consent, 18 otherwise.
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are you opposed to it because of the sex part, or just young people taking any form medication as a whole?
Additionally, I don't understand why you keep calling the child a girl, TSE.
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Out of respect?

btw, like speeds, I'm wondering if you mean to say that allowing their own child to die due to their misguided belief that prayer would save their baby is worse then allowing a child who is confused to take medication to delay puberty (while going through therapy too).

Because one can easily be changed (hey, stop taking the suppressant) and the other can't be reversed.
 
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speeds said:
You think parents that let a child die of a treatable illness or disease waiting for God's saving grace have the moral high ground over parents who are allowing their child to use hormone blockers? Do you really?
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I don't think they have the "moral high ground" and am frankly confused how this became a moral issue in your eyes. Read what I said.
These parents are more whacked out than "faith healers", imo, b/c at least the faith-healing whackos are making their decisions as adults (however whacked-out the decision may be). These parents are letting a child decide
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For julius, I think it's "watch", but wiki's the best source I have right now, so take it fwiw:
The age of majority is 18 for most purposes including sitting on a jury, voting, standing as a candidate, buying or renting films with an 18 certificate or R18 certificate or seeing them in a cinema, viewing, hiring, or being depicted in pornographic materials, suing without a litigant friend, being civilly liable, accessing adoption records and purchasing alcohol, tobacco products, knives and fireworks.
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I'm opposed to it for the same reason that the rest of the world is opposed to a child getting a tattoo or boob job, except that there are irrevocable consequences to postponing puberty until the age of consent. And since when is hormone blocking therapy "medication?" What, pray tell, is the "illness" that the medication is supposed to be treating?

And calling a boy a girl is out of respect for what? The child is legally a boy. The child cannot legally decide if he wants to be a girl, a smoker, a McDonald's worker, or someone who watches R-rated movies.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's kind of like when Atlanta Blazer Man shaved off his mustache and softened his name to ABM.

Next he'll be wearing a g-string and want to be called Bambi.
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He recently went thru that stage. It was......................... interesting.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
He recently went thru that stage. It was......................... interesting.
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I only take a back seat to certain people. Yes, it was interesting.......to say the least.
 
barfo said:
The problem I'd have with it is, how many decisions did you make when you were 8 that, looking back now, were thoughtful, well-considered decisions?

barfo
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Should you sniff this glue?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Many of you may know I am a republican, but on certain social issues I lean to the left. Homosexuality is one of them. I think people are born how they are born, and really don't choose to be any certain thing. I think this child might have come to a realization faster being raised by two parents that are obviously tolerant, and in tune with what the child might be feeling. I don't think, however, that he has decided to get a sex change operation simply because he is being raised by two women.
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I'm with you MM, however I could see how this will be used as ammunition by anti-gay groups. I would like to know more about the circumstances before I come to any conclusions.
 
The child identifies as a girl, and wishes to be called a girl. The child has gone through years of therapy and again, identifies, as a girl. She goes to school as a girl. She dresses as a girl. She is referred to as a girl.

Brian, as highly as you think of yourself, you don't get to tell people of any age how they identify. You don't get to run other people's lives. You aren't God, you aren't an emperor or dictator, you aren't the moral compass to which we all so highly wish to place ourselves and measure. You are not the law, nor the final word. Infact, the only thing you are right now is disrespectful to trans people - people who are constantly thrown under the bus by both the heterosexual and homosexual community.

Stop being scared and learn the process. Don't just read it and quote it back, try to understand it.
 
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