200 Web Sites Spread Al-Qaida's Message In English

[DaRizzle]

Dude, all I did was cite a quote.

lol...."All Im doing is asking questions!"


When you become this concerned with Mormons get back to me

 

[maxiep]

ABM is brainwashed....

Hey ABM DID YOU KNOW....that in the Muslim religion God said Muslim are allowed to marry Muslims, Christians, or Jews. His reasoning was/is that all those religions have the same basic fundamentals and good moral people. Hmmmm, I missed the part where he said convert or die.

Islam, like Christianity, has a number of offshoots. I think ABM was referring to Wahhabism.

 

[ABM]

lol...."All Im doing is asking questions!"


When you become this concerned with Mormons get back to me

OTOH....

An 86-year-old man went to his doctor for his annual check-up. The doctor asked him how he was feeling, and the 86-year-old said, "Things are great and I've never felt better. I now have a 20-year-old bride who is pregnant with my child! So what do you think about that, Doc?"

The doctor considered his question for a minute and then began to tell a story. "I have an older friend, much like you, who is an avid hunter and never misses a season."

"One day he was setting off to go hunting. In a bit of a hurry, he accidentally picked up his walking cane instead of his gun.... As he neared the lake, he came across a very large male beaver sitting at the water's edge."

"He realized he'd left his gun at home and so he couldn't shoot the magnificent creature. Out of habit he raised his cane, aimed it at the animal as if it were his favorite hunting rifle, and went 'bang, bang'....

Miraculously, two shots rang out and the beaver fell over dead.
Now, what do you think of that?" asked the doctor.

The 86-year-old said, "Logic would strongly suggest that somebody else pumped a
couple of rounds into that beaver."

The doctor replied, "My point exactly."

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Let me take that point home.... Oregon State University is a "madrasa"

Actually, OSU would be a جامعة "jaamia" (university).

Why doesnt the media use the word "school"? Because that doesnt sound as scary, thats why

This is correct.

I think the "potential" difference is, they're wanting to have as many as they can for the purpose of ideology expansion?

This depends on who "they" are. If you're talking about average Muslims, where ever they are living, then no. They are having a lot of kids because it's in the culture to do so, not because they want the entire world to be Muslim.

If you're talking about that Norwegian Imam, then sure. Although, his theory is fatally flawed, as I think he is underestimating the power of western cultural influence. I would hazard to guess that in 100 years, there will be many, many more Muslims in western Europe, but almost none of them will espouse viewpoints similar to their counterparts in the Middle East.

If you go to the Netherlands, many of the Moroccans living there are a total hybrid of North African and Dutch culture, and would make Morrocan radicals sick.

 

[yakbladder]

Actually, OSU would be a جامعة "jaamia" (university).




This is correct.

I'm sure you are correct, all I can say is that madrasa was typically used in news broadcasts I saw to identify religiously based schools. I understand now that it can reference a secular school as well. However I think in the context of news programs they can't just say Sunday school - there is no real equivalent except maybe religious educational institution or non-secular school.

Regardless, the point still stands. The vacuum is filled by religiously based educational institutions.

 

[DaRizzle]

Heres what they should call it:

" A training ground for terrorists was destroyed today...."

Or "an extremists camp"

using the Arabic word for school makes it sound as if these type of terrorist training camps were as common as 7-11's in the USA

 

[maxiep]

As a non-Muslim, I think the concern of many is that the vast majority of peace-loving Muslims refuse to speak out against these radicals. It would be the tradition in the other monotheist religions to look at the radicals in their religion and decry that they're distorting the word of God. But in Muslim communities all over the world, there seems to be silence in the face of these dispicable acts being committed in the name of Allah.

My $0.02.

 

[RR7]

As a non-Muslim, I think the concern of many is that the vast majority of peace-loving Muslims refuse to speak out against these radicals. It would be the tradition in the other monotheist religions to look at the radicals in their religion and decry that they're distorting the word of God. But in Muslim communities all over the world, there seems to be silence in the face of these dispicable acts being committed in the name of Allah.

My $0.02.

Along these same lines though, where are, say, christian religious leaders speaking out against individuals when they kill in the name of their religion? Are they out there? If someone kills an abortion doctor, I don't see a parade of people calling for the Pope to speak out against him. Or priests, pastors, whatever. Nobody seems to care, because they are easily and logically able to differentiate his views, and assume he is a nut job whacko radical. But Muslims don't seem to get this same treatment. When their nut job whacko radical does something extreme, people like to assume that they are all like that, or else, they all need to come out against it each time an individual does something like that.

Or better yet, why don't the Muslims that DO come out against these attacks get mroe publicity for doing it?

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Because negative news sells, and the media has figured this out and knows how to use scare tactics and hyperbole to get hits and sells copies of their magazines.

 

[DaRizzle]

As a non-Muslim, I think the concern of many is that the vast majority of peace-loving Muslims refuse to speak out against these radicals. It would be the tradition in the other monotheist religions to look at the radicals in their religion and decry that they're distorting the word of God. But in Muslim communities all over the world, there seems to be silence in the face of these dispicable acts being committed in the name of Allah.

My $0.02.

Well go down to your local mosque and hear what the Imam has to say. An Imam that doesnt have an extremist agenda doesnt make the national news. I rarely go anymore but when I do all they talk about is trying to be the best muslim possible to show what the media portrays is a very small view of uneducated fanatics rather than the vast majority.

 

[maxiep]

Along these same lines though, where are, say, christian religious leaders speaking out against individuals when they kill in the name of their religion? Are they out there? If someone kills an abortion doctor, I don't see a parade of people calling for the Pope to speak out against him. Or priests, pastors, whatever. Nobody seems to care, because they are easily and logically able to differentiate his views, and assume he is a nut job whacko radical. But Muslims don't seem to get this same treatment. When their nut job whacko radical does something extreme, people like to assume that they are all like that, or else, they all need to come out against it each time an individual does something like that.

Firstly, I think it's important to distinguish between some nutjob killing an abortion doctor who he or she believes that is responsible for thousands of murders and an entire movement where the message is to kill as many people as possible, including innocents. Furthermore, these people are being counseled by imams to commit these despicable acts.

Secondly, I've heard many clergymen/women decry the killing of abortion doctors in the name of God. Their typical response is to say that the solution for (what they call) the murder of the unborn is not murder.

Thirdly, the reason Muslims don't seem to get the same treatment, as you say, is that they are being specifically told to commit these acts by their religious leaders. They are told that these actions will get them to Paradise. When is the last Christian/Jewish terrorist who killed innocents indiscriminately under the guidance of a priest, pastor or rabbi? I can't think of one, not even in Israel.

Fourthly, many Muslims I know in the States feel misunderstood. Christians and Jews don't have the same hurdle. The best way to counter that perceived misunderstanding is to speak out against the extreme elements in your religion and the acts being committed in the name of Allah. If some Pentacostal nut job does something crazy, Lutherans don't need to come out and say "That act doesn't mesh with our idea of God"; people know it. Sadly, most Americans couldn't tell you the difference between Sunni and Shia, or even that there are two major branches of Islam.

Or better yet, why don't the Muslims that DO come out against these attacks get mroe publicity for doing it?

Perhaps it's my ignorance on this issue, but I swear I do not remember a single major demonstration by Muslims against the extremist elements in their religion. I hope there are some, because right now the silence is deafening. And I can't imagine our news organizations wouldn't be willing to cover those that would speak against the nihilistic Wahhabists.

 

[maxiep]

Well go down to your local mosque and hear what the Imam has to say. An Imam that doesnt have an extremist agenda doesnt make the national news. I rarely go anymore but when I do all they talk about is trying to be the best muslim possible to show what the media portrays is a very small view of uneducated fanatics rather than the vast majority.

And I agree with you 100%. The problem is that it's no longer sufficient for imams to stay in their mosque and preach their message of obedience to God, following the Koran and self-regulation. The average American isn't going to head to their local mosque to discover for themselves what Islam is all about. In fact, in many parts of this country, there is no "local mosque". If you want your religion not to be met with suspicion and derision, you need to be proactive and speak out against the extreme elements in your religion.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

As a non-Muslim, I think the concern of many is that the vast majority of peace-loving Muslims refuse to speak out against these radicals. It would be the tradition in the other monotheist religions to look at the radicals in their religion and decry that they're distorting the word of God.

A cursory google search would reveal Muslim organizations united against radical Islam, not to mention records of demonstrations against terrorism (major ones include Jordan and India), as well as condemnation from countless religious leaders all across the Middle East after 9/11 and other terrorist activities.

But in Muslim communities all over the world, there seems to be silence in the face of these dispicable acts being committed in the name of Allah.

My $0.02.

On a strictly personal note, having spent time in two different Muslim communities overseas as well as the one in Portland in the past 2 years, I would say that it "seems" quite the opposite.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

If you want your religion not to be met with suspicion and derision, you need to be proactive and speak out against the extreme elements in your religion.

This is a great point, but one that isn't realistic, unfortunately. I think the situation in the West has gotten to the point that those people who do some out and speak for Islam are met with contempt and people view them as the exception instead of the rule. Part of this is that Islam doesn't have the best PR department, so to speak, and is slow to adapt to a changing worldview.

 

[DaRizzle]

http://www.magicyellow.com/Oregon/Mosques/Cities.html

Go check one out one day. They welcome anybody to see what its about