2006 Draft= Weakest ever?

[THE HCP]

How funny would it be if the draft that arguably could be considered our best ever, could be considered the weakest ever!


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/9915/no-soup-for-the-rest-of-the-draft-class-of-06

 

[Natebishop3]

The one with Mike Miller was worse. Miller was mediocre at best, yet he won ROY that year. 2000 draft. Hands down the worst.

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/2000.html

 

[STOMP]

The one with Mike Miller was worse. Miller was mediocre at best, yet he won ROY that year. 2000 draft. Hands down the worst.

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/2000.html

thats what I was thinking... sort of interesting that a mid-2nd rounder (Redd) is probably the best player from that class.

STOMP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think this last draft will be remembered as the worst.

 

[MrJayremmie]

I was totally thinking 2000 as well. Then maybe 06 (as far as recent drafts go that is).

 

[BlazerCaravan]

How funny would it be if the draft that arguably could be considered our best ever, could be considered the weakest ever!


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/9915/no-soup-for-the-rest-of-the-draft-class-of-06

You know, that it was a weak draft might have played into our hands quite a bit; picks were valued less than the player people got back for them, and so the various GMs were much more willing to do business with a n00b GM who obviously had no idea what he was doing mucking about in a weak draft. As a result, we probably got a lot more flexibility to move up in the draft than we otherwise would have. There's no way in 2007 that the #4 pick and Viktor Kryhapa land us Kevin Durant at #2, for example (pretending for a moment that we'd gotten the #4 pick in 2007).

 

[THE HCP]

Damn! 2000 was horrible! Redd should have gone #1!

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

You know, that it was a weak draft might have played into our hands quite a bit; picks were valued less than the player people got back for them, and so the various GMs were much more willing to do business with a n00b GM who obviously had no idea what he was doing mucking about in a weak draft. As a result, we probably got a lot more flexibility to move up in the draft than we otherwise would have. There's no way in 2007 that the #4 pick and Viktor Kryhapa land us Kevin Durant at #2, for example (pretending for a moment that we'd gotten the #4 pick in 2007).

I do not think KP's reputation matters much since Indiana still dealed with him two years later and plenty of draft day deals have been made since the Roy/Aldridge draft. It is possible that could be said for other deals since no regular season move of importance have been made. Would probably guess that is more of KP's doing though.

If Durant was available in 2006 when Chicago drafted, we would not have gotten him for a #4 and VK either.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If Durant was available in 2006 when Chicago drafted, we would not have gotten him for a #4 and VK either.

But that's kind of the point; the draft was weak in '06 because players like Oden and Durant were "stuck in college" for the year. GM's knew this, and thus the very high picks were tradeable because any of the top 5 were supposed to basically be interchangeable and middling in talent anyway. If Durant (and thus Oden) was available at #2 in 06, you're absolutely right; we would have had no chance of prying Durant from Chicago.

(the KP's reputation thing was more for flavor, but I do have to wonder if the GM's were more willing to deal with KP because they thought KP was a little clueless at the time -- you know, try and scam the newbie a little if he's giving away assets for picks)

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

That's the one draft KP really worked his magic.

Not only did we get the two best players in the draft, KP took a chance on Joel Freeland, who's developing into one of the best bigs in Europe.

 

[THE HCP]

That's the one draft KP really worked his magic.

Not only did we get the two best players in the draft, KP took a chance on Joel Freeland, who's developing into one of the best bigs in Europe.

Your new name is GARBAGE!

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

I don't know. I think the draft of 88? was probably the weakest. The one with Danny Manning.

 

[THE HCP]

What's the best?

1999-Elton Brand
Steve Francis
Baron Davis
Lamar Odom
Wally Szczerbiak
Rip Hamilton
Andre Miller
Shawn Marion
Jason Terry
Corey Maggette
Ron Artest
James Posey
Kenny Thomas
Devean George
Andrei Kirilenko
Manu Ginobili

2003-LeBron James
Darko Milicic
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Dwyane Wade
Chris Kaman
Kirk Hinrich
T.J. Ford
Mickaël Pietrus
Luke Ridnour
David West
Boris Diaw
Carlos Delfino
Leandro Barbosa
Josh Howard
Jason Kapono
Luke Walton


or 1984-1. HOU Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston
2. POR Sam Bowie, Kentucky
3. CHI Michael Jordan, North Carolina
4. DAL Sam Perkins, North Carolina
5. PHI Charles Barkley, Auburn
6. WSB Melvin Turpin, Kentucky
7. SAS Alvin Robertson, Arkansas
8. LAC Lancaster Gordon, Louisville
9. KCK Otis Thorpe, Providence
10. PHI Leon Wood, California-Fullerton
11. ATL Kevin Willis, Michigan State
12. CLE Tim McCormick, Michigan
13. PHO Jay Humphries, Colorado
14. LAC Michael Cage, San Diego State
15. DAL Terence Stansbury, Temple
16. UTA John Stockton, Gonzaga
17. NJN Jeff Turner, Vanderbilt
18. IND Vern Fleming, Georgia
19. POR Bernard Thompson, Fresno State
20. DET Tony Campbell, Ohio State
21. MIL Kenny Fields, UCLA
22. PHI Tom Sewell, Lamar
23. LAL Earl Jones, District of Columbia
24. BOS Michael Young, Houston

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

What's the best?

1999-Elton Brand
Steve Francis
Baron Davis
Lamar Odom
Wally Szczerbiak
Rip Hamilton
Andre Miller
Shawn Marion
Jason Terry
Corey Maggette
Ron Artest
James Posey
Kenny Thomas
Devean George
Andrei Kirilenko
Manu Ginobili

2003-LeBron James
Darko Milicic
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Dwyane Wade
Chris Kaman
Kirk Hinrich
T.J. Ford
Mickaël Pietrus
Luke Ridnour
David West
Boris Diaw
Carlos Delfino
Leandro Barbosa
Josh Howard
Jason Kapono
Luke Walton


or 1984-1. HOU Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston
2. POR Sam Bowie, Kentucky
3. CHI Michael Jordan, North Carolina
4. DAL Sam Perkins, North Carolina
5. PHI Charles Barkley, Auburn
6. WSB Melvin Turpin, Kentucky
7. SAS Alvin Robertson, Arkansas
8. LAC Lancaster Gordon, Louisville
9. KCK Otis Thorpe, Providence
10. PHI Leon Wood, California-Fullerton
11. ATL Kevin Willis, Michigan State
12. CLE Tim McCormick, Michigan
13. PHO Jay Humphries, Colorado
14. LAC Michael Cage, San Diego State
15. DAL Terence Stansbury, Temple
16. UTA John Stockton, Gonzaga
17. NJN Jeff Turner, Vanderbilt
18. IND Vern Fleming, Georgia
19. POR Bernard Thompson, Fresno State
20. DET Tony Campbell, Ohio State
21. MIL Kenny Fields, UCLA
22. PHI Tom Sewell, Lamar
23. LAL Earl Jones, District of Columbia
24. BOS Michael Young, Houston

Prob 2003 i

 

[Natebishop3]

96 was pretty damn good.

Iverson
Camby
Abdur-Rahim
Stephon Marbury
Ray Allen
Antoine Walker
Peja Stojakovic
Kobe Bryant
Steve Nash
Jermaine O'Neal
Ilgauskas
Derek Fisher

Pretty damn good batch of players.

 

[THE HCP]

No joke! 96 was sick!

 

[Minstrel]

Assembling ten-man rotations for each class:

1984
PG: John Stockton / Alvin Robertson
SG: Michael Jordan / Vern Fleming
SF: Sam Perkins / Tony Campbell
PF: Charles Barkley / Otis Thorpe
C: Hakeem Olajuwon / Kevin Willis

1996
PG: Steve Nash / Stephon Marbury
SG: Kobe Bryant / Ray Allen
SF: Peja Stojakovic / Antoine Walker
PF: Shareef Abdur-Rahim / Marcus Camby
C: Jermaine O'Neal / Zydrunas Ilgauskas

1999
PG: Baron Davis / Andre Miller
SG: Manu Ginobili / Richard Hamilton
SF: Ron Artest / James Posey
PF: Shawn Marion / Lamar Odom
C: Elton Brand / Andrei Kirilenko

2003
PG: TJ Ford / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Dwyane Wade / Carlos Delfino
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Josh Howard
PF: LeBron James / David West
C: Chris Bosh / Chris Kaman

1984 blows everyone out of the water with their starting unit, but it's amazing how top-heavy that draft was. A few big-time winners, a few solid players and then a bunch of duds.

Since starters would play the vast majority of minutes, I'd say 1984 wins, with 2003 a solid second. 1999 is really handicapped by a lack of size and a lack of superstars, though it had a decent number of solid players. 1996 probably had the best balance...a handful of stars and then a group of good/above-average players.

 

[Natebishop3]

Assembling ten-man rotations for each class:

1984
PG: John Stockton / Alvin Robertson
SG: Michael Jordan / Vern Fleming
SF: Sam Perkins / Tony Campbell
PF: Charles Barkley / Otis Thorpe
C: Hakeem Olajuwon / Kevin Willis

1996
PG: Steve Nash / Stephon Marbury
SG: Kobe Bryant / Ray Allen
SF: Peja Stojakovic / Antoine Walker
PF: Shareef Abdur-Rahim / Marcus Camby
C: Jermaine O'Neal / Zydrunas Ilgauskas

1999
PG: Baron Davis / Andre Miller
SG: Manu Ginobili / Richard Hamilton
SF: Ron Artest / James Posey
PF: Shawn Marion / Lamar Odom
C: Elton Brand / Andrei Kirilenko

2003
PG: TJ Ford / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Dwyane Wade / Carlos Delfino
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Josh Howard
PF: LeBron James / David West
C: Chris Bosh / Chris Kaman

1984 blows everyone out of the water with their starting unit, but it's amazing how top-heavy that draft was. A few big-time winners, a few solid players and then a bunch of duds.

Since starters would play the vast majority of minutes, I'd say 1984 wins, with 2003 a solid second. 1999 is really handicapped by a lack of size and a lack of superstars, though it had a decent number of solid players. 1996 probably had the best balance...a handful of stars and then a group of good/above-average players.

Well, and you have to consider 1996 when those guys were healthy. Abdur-Rahim was very good until injuries tore him apart.

 

[Minstrel]

Well, and you have to consider 1996 when those guys were healthy. Abdur-Rahim was very good until injuries tore him apart.

Yeah, that's true. 1996 is pretty close to 2003.

And I really liked SAR prior to his injuries. I alwats wanted him on the team in 1999-2002 era. A bit bittersweet to get him on the team after he had broken down a bit and in return for Sheed. I wanted him WITH Sheed and Pippen.

 

[mgb]

Here was our best draft ever!!

HA!!

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, that's true. 1996 is pretty close to 2003.

And I really liked SAR prior to his injuries. I alwats wanted him on the team in 1999-2002 era. A bit bittersweet to get him on the team after he had broken down a bit and in return for Sheed. I wanted him WITH Sheed and Pippen.

I think 96 was better.

Kobe = LeBron
Iverson = Wade
Nash > Melo
Abdur-Rahim = Bosh

Ray Allen, Peja, Jermaine, and Camby were all better than anyone else on that list in their primes.

 

[Minstrel]

Iverson = Wade
Nash > Melo

I disagree with these two a lot. I don't consider Iverson, in his prime, to have been very close to Wade's young prime. Iverson was a near-superstar but his mediocre efficiency made him a lot less amazing than his hype. Wade is a true superstar.

Nash also was immensely overrated. He didn't become dramatically better in Phoenix than he was in Dallas, but thanks to a statistics-inflating system, he got multiple MVPs and superstar billing when he was really just a normal caliber All Star...just like in Dallas.

At best, I think Nash was as good as Anthony and I'd probably take Anthony over Nash. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to take Wade over Iverson.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I disagree with these two a lot. I don't consider Iverson, in his prime, to have been very close to Wade's young prime. Iverson was a near-superstar but his mediocre efficiency made him a lot less amazing than his hype. Wade is a true superstar.

Nash also was immensely overrated. He didn't become dramatically better in Phoenix than he was in Dallas, but thanks to a statistics-inflating system, he got multiple MVPs and superstar billing when he was really just a normal caliber All Star...just like in Dallas.

At best, I think Nash was as good as Anthony and I'd probably take Anthony over Nash. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to take Wade over Iverson.

This.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Damn! 2000 was horrible! Redd should have gone #1!

No kidding... I don't think there's more than five or six guys in that group of 60 I'd want on an NBA team, and only three of them (Redd, Przybilla, Turkoglu) could legitimately start in the NBA! Yick!