2008 Election News/Discussion Thread

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ May 1 2007, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are one confused dude. You have an Albany avatar, a JaMarcus Russell sig, the Yankees record, and a Texas player(Aaron Ross). What the hell, man? Though you are one of my fav posters :happy0144:</div>lol the russell sig I made just because I liked the pic and I was half asleep when I did it...the albany avatar was a friend of mine who got drafted by philly, and the giants / yankees are my favorite football and baseball teams. lol.

 

[playaofthegame]

I haven't been following the election entirely lately.Who do you guys say at this point would be the best candidates for each party in the public eye?Maybe there's some numbers?BCB probably knows

 

[The Captain]

The top 3 candidates on each side IN MY OWN OPINIONDemocrats-1. Barack Obama2. Bill Richardson3. Mike Gravel Republicans-1. Fred Thompson2. Mitt Romney3. John McCainThe rest of the U.S-1. Hilary Clinton2. Barack Obama3. John Edwards1. Rudy Guliani2. John McCain3. Fred Thompson

 

[BrewCityBuck]

I agree with Rudy G being the favorite republican in the public's eye, but not really the best true republican. You can interchange Obama/Hillary because they are so close. General America still doesn't know much about Thompson.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

I just made this, it's 'Thompson the Hut'

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 2 2007, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Rudy G being the favorite republican in the public's eye, but not really the best true republican. You can interchange Obama/Hillary because they are so close. General America still doesn't know much about Thompson.</div>I'm just looking at the polls.It's always Rudy/McCain and then it's almost a tie bet. Romney and Thompson. Since I am a Thompson homer, well, you can figure it out.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

:winkglasses:

 

[the_pestilence]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dominator @ May 2 2007, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm just looking at the polls.</div>And he's getting 8-17% in most credible recent polls. Among the weakest candidates the repubs have fielded in a long time that is not good.

 

[The Captain]

... And your point is?He's in third place mostly. In some he's in 2nd, in some he's in fourth. I listed the top 3 candidates.

 

[the_pestilence]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Dominator @ May 2 2007, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>... And your point is?He's in third place mostly. In some he's in 2nd, in some he's in fourth. I listed the top 3 candidates.</div>my point is that he's still not looking good in terms of electability.

 

[The Captain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 2 2007, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>

:winkglasses:</div>Oh BCB.Don't hide it. I know you secretly love him and want him to win.And I'd say getting 10-17% of the vote without even saying a dang thing close to running, raising zero dollars and having 35% of people not know who you are is pretty dang good.

 

[the_pestilence]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And I'd say getting 10-17% of the vote without even saying a dang thing close to running, raising zero dollars and having 35% of people not know who you are is pretty dang good.</div>heheh, in a recent poll 55% of the country has never heard of fred thompson.

 

[The Captain]

Even better.

 

[Something-To-Say]

You've posted that pic 3 times in this thread, bcb. May I ask why?

 

[gentile]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ May 1 2007, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Can you give a source, rather than hearsay and conjecture?</div>Nope. Well, just that call in show I was watching on C-Span, but I felt this way when I saw Obama getting such broad support earlier last year. When it comes down to it, I'm a pretty intuitive negrologist. You'd have to be. This is typical "crab in a bucket" behavior. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Al Sharpton does not speak for the black community as a whole. If he did, the black community would be doomed.</div>Al Sharpton still has tremendous following: Older church folks that vote. He's on a mission to disrupt the primaries and use his position to become a king maker, I think. He was sabotaged in the primaries during his run by democrats that run major cities. I was living in Detroit at the time and the Free Press figured he'd win Michigan because of Detroit, which was a good thing since he was the only Democrat talking about jobs. I went to vote, and the polling station had been "relocated" at the last minute. Many had.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ May 2 2007, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You've posted that pic 3 times in this thread, bcb. May I ask why?</div> First time the thread went to 2 pages and he didn't see it, second time I accidently copied the wrong picture in, and by the time it was edited the 2nd page had grown to 3 posts, again he missed it, and finally got it with the 3rd.

 

[The Captain]

President of the United States - Republican PrimaryRasmussen, May 8Rudy Giuliani: 25%John McCain: 17%Fred Thompson: 16%Mitt Romney: 12%Newt Gingrich: 8%No Democrats yet.. I'll be looking for them later.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

Good lord, Mitt Romney is taking a pounding.

 

[The Captain]

I really expected him to jump up over Thompson after the debate, so I was surprised to still see him in 4th, 4 points behind Fred.Here's one from Gallup.President of the United States - Republican PrimaryGallup, May 8Rudy Giuliani: 34%John McCain: 20%Fred Thompson: 13%Newt Gingrich: 8%Mitt Romney: 7%Other/Don't know: 10%

 

[The Captain]

Thompson to announce candidacyhttp://www.miamiherald.com/692/story/123063.html<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Fred Thompson, the former Tennessee senator and "Law & Order" actor, is taking significant steps toward an expected summer entry into the crowded but extraordinarily unsettled Republican presidential race.His likely candidacy could give restless conservatives somewhere to turn.A crucial bloc of the GOP, those voters have not fully embraced the leading contenders, giving Thompson what his backers argue is an opening for a "true conservative" who can triumph in November 2008.The 64-year-old Southerner would bring a right-leaning Senate voting record with a few digressions from GOP orthodoxy and a dash of Hollywood star power given his many movie roles and TV stint as the gruff district attorney on NBC's popular crime drama.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Thompson will make his first formal campaign move in the coming days, establishing an official organization to weigh a White House bid while launching a major fundraising drive on Monday, according to several Republicans with knowledge of his plans.Speaking on condition of anonymity because the timeline is not public, these officials said Thompson may visit early primary states in late June and could officially enter the race as early as the first week in July."Senator Thompson is still seriously considering getting into the presidential contest and he is doing everything he has to do to make that final decision," said Mark Corallo, a Thompson spokesman. "Stay tuned."On Thompson's schedule in the coming weeks: a speech to Virginia Republicans in Richmond on Saturday and an appearance with Jay Leno on "The Tonight Show" on June 12. One official said an overseas trip also may be in the works.For months, Thompson has openly flirted with a candidacy as a Tennessee-based effort sought to draft him into the race. He made several high-profile moves that pointed to a bid, not the least of which was disclosing that he is in remission after being diagnosed with non-Hodgkins lymphoma, a form of cancer.His popularity in national polls spiked to double digits early in the year, but while he still fares well in surveys, his numbers have fallen following what some Republicans considered a subpar speech in early May in California. That's prompted some rumblings in GOP circles that Thompson may have missed his opportunity to make a splash in the race.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He worked to limit the role of the federal government and backed a ban on a late-term abortion procedure. He voted in favor of Bush's tax cuts, oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, eliminating money for the National Endowment for the Arts and a constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration. And, he voted against requiring criminal background checks for purchases at gun shows.But he sometimes took paths that didn't necessarily sit well with conservatives, including advocating for campaign finance reform. While he voted to oust President Clinton from office, he also was one of 10 Republican senators who voted against one of the two impeachment charges.Social issues, important to the party's right, also typically weren't at the top of his agenda. He was known less as a legislator and more as an investigator, leading the committee that examined former President Clinton's fundraising in 1996.</div>

 

[the_pestilence]

now people will find out that he's a lot more moderate than they think.

 

[The Captain]

He's not as moderate as say a Guliani/McCain. ?Romney? is pretty moderate as well.Fred's easily more conservative than them.

 

[the_pestilence]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ May 30 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not as moderate as say a Guliani/McCain. ?Romney? is pretty moderate as well.Fred's easily more conservative than them.</div>Fred has an almost identical track record to McCain actually.

 

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kobebryant_24OWNEDME @ May 30 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Fred has an almost identical track record to McCain actually.</div>McCain flops on issues, however he feels that day.

 

[The Captain]

Election coverage summary by the APmore..http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070602/ap_on_...n_the2008_trailBiden scolds Dems for skipping debates By BEVERLEY WANG, Associated Press WriterSat Jun 2, 12:11 AM ETCONCORD, N.H. - Joe Biden on Friday questioned how his Democratic presidential rivals could skip a debate involving the Congressional Black Caucus.The Delaware senator, who will participate in a New Hampshire debate on Sunday, is one of two candidates signed onto a fall debate on Fox News and the sole person who has agreed to an Iraq-only debate next week.In a telephone interview Friday, Biden called out fellow Democrats for bowing out of the Sept. 23 Detroit debate co-sponsored by Fox News Channel and the political education and leadership institute of the Congressional Black Caucus.Democratic candidates have been under pressure to shun the debate from liberal groups who say Fox is biased against Democrats. Biden said Fox's role in the debate doesn't matter."I agreed to go because my friends in the Black Caucus said this is a very important debate to be able to determine the difference among us on matters relating to the African-American community," Biden said.Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich is the only other candidate who has agreed to the Fox debate. --------------I'm starting to get more respect for Biden. I may not agree with his views at all, but at least he's got balls to be different unlike Barack, Billary, and Edwards.

 

[gentile]

Fred Thompson is getting skewered by the Fox News Sunday media panel as I type this. Two points - While he looks Reaganesque, Reagan actually ran a state and Thompson seems bereft of a solid Senate record. They say he never worked hard in the Senate.

 

[the_pestilence]

Heheheh. The democratic debates are hilarious. Hillary is just oblivious to whatever she's supposed to be giving a rebuttal to. Here's a typical exchange.Edwards: Intelligent jab at Obama, raising some fair pointsObama: Skillful rebuttal, turning the tables on EdwardsHillary: I'm assuming I'm going to win the primaries so I'm just going to take this time to talk about how all of us democrats are better than the republicans and trying as much as possible to associate the republicans who are running with Bush.I think there is a WIDE open space for Gore to jump in, taking advantage of the fact that he's the only one of the three of them who has somewhat differing opinions from them.

 

[Combs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kobebryant_24OWNEDME @ Jun 4 2007, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Heheheh. The democratic debates are hilarious. Hillary is just oblivious to whatever she's supposed to be giving a rebuttal to. Here's a typical exchange.Edwards: Intelligent jab at Obama, raising some fair pointsObama: Skillful rebuttal, turning the tables on EdwardsHillary: I'm assuming I'm going to win the primaries so I'm just going to take this time to talk about how all of us democrats are better than the republicans and trying as much as possible to associate the republicans who are running with Bush.I think there is a WIDE open space for Gore to jump in, taking advantage of the fact that he's the only one of the three of them who has somewhat differing opinions from them.</div>Honestly..I love all 3 candidates. This is the first time I haven't been already decided before the debates took place. Last night I thought they all did pretty good..though Edwards stood out to me. I think Obama is who I'll end up voting for however when it's all said and done.For some reason I love watching all of the debates though.Hilary does seem to always turn everything to Bush or about what Bill Clinton did way back when.

 

[MaRdYC26]

I thought Kucinich did really well. O'Bama was alright, Edwards IMO is a very good debater, and Clinton was so-so. I don't really want Clinton to win the primary, but I don't really care. As long as our next president is a democrat I'll be happy.

 

[the_pestilence]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Jun 4 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly..I love all 3 candidates. This is the first time I haven't been already decided before the debates took place. Last night I thought they all did pretty good..though Edwards stood out to me. I think Obama is who I'll end up voting for however when it's all said and done.For some reason I love watching all of the debates though.Hilary does seem to always turn everything to Bush or about what Bill Clinton did way back when.</div>yeah, Edwards is a killer debater. Remember in 04 when he DECIMATED Cheney? He rarely loses a debate even if he's wrong, probably because he's a lawyer.