2012 FOOTBALL Commits and Recruiting News

[Ed O]

For those who get star struck with visions of scout/rivals 5* rated DLineman making all the difference, take a look at the All Pac 12 teams for some perspective. Of the 8 guys honored with All Pac 12 team selections this year there were no 5* DLineman (per rivals), 3 were 4*, 3 were 3* and 2 were 2*. In other words, a majority of the guys who eventually turned out to be the best of the best in the conference were projects. Things are very much in transition physically for most 17 year old guys, and this seems to be especially true of the bigger kids. Heck, one of those 4* guys is Oregon's Dion Jordan and he was recruited as a WR

That is interesting... do you know how many 5* d-lineman are even in the Pac-12 this year? There aren't that many in the nation in any given year, and it seems like most of them end up in the SEC , so I can't imagine there were that many. I'm curious, though, and I'm not sure how to look that sort of thing up.

Ed O.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Stomp...

I'm not saying that 3* players can't be all Pac-12 standouts but I can say that being at LSU/ Oregon I could see that their guys seemed larger than ours! That said, I'm sure all your theories and stats are right on and make ya very relevant here, but here's the bottom line.... We are 0-2 against the SEC in major games that recruits and voters watch. Having a few 5* recruits wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have would it? I mean as you've said, look how well our 3*'s have developed like Dion Jordan under the Duck Watch. Imagine what a few 5* recruits could do here? The Mamba certainly has shined his first year!! I'm pretty sure he was a 5* recruit.

 

[Wheels]

That is interesting... do you know how many 5* d-lineman are even in the Pac-12 this year? There aren't that many in the nation in any given year, and it seems like most of them end up in the SEC , so I can't imagine there were that many. I'm curious, though, and I'm not sure how to look that sort of thing up.

Ed O.

I'd recommend Rivals since they have their top 100 and all that. This link you can sort by year and then position ranking.

Rivals Top Position link

at work I cant do a ton of research but just a little taste for Last spring's top D-Linemen (2011 class)

Of the top 10 Defensive Tackles - 2 went to the SEC, 1 to the ACC, 1 to the Big 10, 3 to the Big XII, and 3 to the Pac 10

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrec...s/rank-2660;_ylt=Amsp735EQ2ejeW.BK75PH09GPZB4
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Last spring's Strongside Defensive Ends, 3 went to the SEC, 2 to Notre Dame, 2 to the Pac 10, 2 to the Big 10, and 1 to the ACC.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrec...s/rank-2659;_ylt=Aub2pIz41M.iFlhWhv_lPUxGPZB4

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Weakside Defensive Ends. 3 went to SEC schools, 2 to Notre Dame, 2 went to ACC schools, 2 to the Big 10, and 1 to the MAC (toledo)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivalswsde/2011

 

[Ed O]

Thanks, Wheels. I know that 5*/4* depends on the service, but looking at the last few years:

2010 5*'s:
DTs: 2 (SEC=2)
WDEs: 2 (SEC, Pac-12)
SDEs: 3 (Pac-12, Big XII, Big 10)
2009 5*'s:
DTs: 5 (SEC=2, ACC, Big XII, Big 10)
WDEs: 2 (Pac-12, ACC)
SDEs: 1 (Big XII)
2008 5*'s:
DTs: 2 (SEC, ACC)
WDEs: 1 (Big XII)
SDEs: 1 (ACC)
2007 5*'s:
DTs: 2 (SEC, ACC)
WDEs: 2 (SEC, Big 10)
SDEs: 2 (Pac-12, SEC)

So, adding the totals, we get:

SEC: 9
ACC: 5
Pac-12: 4
Big XII: 4
Big 10: 3

This doesn't prove anything. I was just curious

Ed O.

 

[MickZagger]

People get way too enamored with how many stars a guy has next to his name. Some of my favorite Ducks have been guys that were lightly recruited.

Patrick Chung was a 2 star.

 

[STOMP]

I'm not saying that 3* players can't be all Pac-12 standouts but I can say that being at LSU/ Oregon I could see that their guys seemed larger than ours!

It seems silly to claim that you can accurately judge the size of players under a mass of pads and jerseys especially when they are never side by side. To me LSU's DLine seemed quicker & better

That said, I'm sure all your theories and stats are right on and make ya very relevant here, but here's the bottom line.... We are 0-2 against the SEC in major games that recruits and voters watch. Having a few 5* recruits wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have would it? I mean as you've said, look how well our 3*'s have developed like Dion Jordan under the Duck Watch. Imagine what a few 5* recruits could do here? The Mamba certainly has shined his first year!! I'm pretty sure he was a 5* recruit.

last week Oregon said thanks, but we're no longer interested to a high profile rivals *4 top 100 DT named Faith Ekakite. Why? Because they'd just landed the guy they wanted who is still currently unrated by rivals.

Last year Kelly openly mocked the recruiting sites for having Jake Fisher only ranked as a *3 while he was introducing the class. His quote was something along the lines of... if Jake Fisher isn't one of the best OLine prospects in the country I don't know what I'm doing as a football coach. Jake earned a ton of snaps this season while the two *4s from Arizona redshirted.

Who is better? A *2 Soph DT starts while the *4 Soph backs up yet gets 10 times the chatter here (Wade & Ricky). I could go on and on with examples demonstrating how silly it is to lay much on the projections of the recruiting sites. I use them more as an introduction to the kids and their story, but reserve real judgement for actual games. Certainly the odds are better if you land a highly rated kid, but I know the physical hierarchy/pecking order is hardly set in stone for guys at age 17. Hell, I grew 7" when I was 17. Having the right mental makeup seems paramount to succeeding in D1 ball too. Basically, you're welcome to your theories of the recruiting sites as gurus. I'm happy to be along for the ride that Chip is taking Duck fans on and feel he actually knows what he's doing

STOMP

 

[Da_O]

I haven't seen it on here, so I'll go ahead and post, sorry if it's old news. Oregon offers 4* 6'5" 322 pound OL Cedrick Poutasi yesterday. Poutasi was asked if the ducks offered too late and had this to say,

"I was pretty surprised they offered to be honest," Poutasi said. "I am really happy about the offer but it's kind of late in the process."

Poutasi said he was planning on announcing Dec. 30 from a list that includes Utah, Oklahoma State and Washington.

However with new interest, he said his current top three are Oregon, Utah and Oklahoma State. The Cowboys have also increased their interest in recent weeks.

"I'm not sure what I'm going to do now," he said. "Utah is recruiting me really hard and they have been for a while. I won't have time to visit Oregon before then so if I decide to wait it will be so I can visit them. Coach (Steve) Greatwood said he'd love to have me visit in January if I wanted to."

 

[Targus]

From what I'm hearing, LMJ will declare shortly after the RB. There is truth here but he doesn't want his announcement to be a distraction.

http://www.kptv.com/story/16326427/ducks-rb-lamichael-james-still-undecided-on-leaving-early-for-nfl

 

[Targus]

Sorry. Not sure why I posted this here! Dork.

 

[Da_O]

DJ Foster has eliminated us from contention.

Foster confirmed the news earlier this afternoon.

"After talking with my family I just don't want to go that far from home," Foster said. "I appreciate Oregon but I'm just going in another direction."

 

[Da_O]

Also from what I'm hearing, Buckner's in-home visit with Chip Kelly went so well, he is no longer visiting Cal. I would say it's a about a 95% chance we land him.

 

[PapaG]

DJ Foster has eliminated us from contention.

Foster confirmed the news earlier this afternoon.

"After talking with my family I just don't want to go that far from home," Foster said. "I appreciate Oregon but I'm just going in another direction."

Can't get them all. I'm not sure where Foster would fit in, either, because he's a bit undersized, and DAT has a stranglehold on the TZR position for at least two more years.

 

[Da_O]

Scout and Rivals now have Stetzon Bair as a 3 star.

 

[STOMP]

DJ Foster has eliminated us from contention.

Foster confirmed the news earlier this afternoon.

"After talking with my family I just don't want to go that far from home," Foster said. "I appreciate Oregon but I'm just going in another direction."

and now Cal is supposed to be a favorite to land him... :MARIS61:

STOMP

 

[Da_O]

and now Cal is supposed to be a favorite to land him... :MARIS61:

STOMP

I know....

 

[Ghost Pepper]

The NCAA should be checking into Cal right now. No way this program with a coach on the hot seat lands Shaq Thompson, Armistead, Foster and potentially McCarthy! NO WAY!! Not unless they are paying them......

 

[Wheels]

The NCAA should be checking into Cal right now. No way this program with a coach on the hot seat lands Shaq Thompson, Armistead, Foster and potentially McCarthy! NO WAY!! Not unless they are paying them......

that sounds like alot of the things some USC fans were saying about us, when we got DeAnthony, and then players like Lyerla who normally would have just gone to them.

 

[MickZagger]

that sounds like alot of the things some USC fans were saying about us, when we got DeAnthony, and then players like Lyerla who normally would have just gone to them.

We were winning and going to big bowl games. Cal is not.

 

[Ed O]

I've read a couple of recruits noting that Cal's facilities are going to be the best in the nation when they're done. I think that one guy even said that they will "blow Oregon's out of the water" ... or something like that.

Cal has another big recruiting weekend this weekend. Darius Hamilton, DJ Foster, and Deforest Buckner were all planning on attending.

Right now Cal is sitting at about 13 recruits, so they started slowly but they seem to be swinging for the fences. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Ed O.

 

[Wheels]

We were winning and going to big bowl games. Cal is not.

True enough. But Cal is also alot closer to home for some of these kids. And its alot closer to major cities and attractions than Eugene. Geographically they are at more of an advantage.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Sorry don't buy it... Tedford on hot seat for two years.. No championships and no chance they'll catch us or Stanford in the north. They can't beat USC in the south who also has a few national championships to brag about with recruits... So how again are they out recruiting both of our programs again? Big difference between grabbing 1 five* recruit in DAT and a home grown kid in Colt, and arguably the 3 best defensive 5* recruiting class of the west... BIG DIFFERENCE! That with no Pac-10 or 12 championship and no BCS appearances.

It will draw some attention!

 

[Da_O]

Sorry don't buy it... Tedford on hot seat for two years.. No championships and no chance they'll catch us or Stanford in the north. They can't beat USC in the south who also has a few national championships to brag about with recruits... So how again are they out recruiting both of our programs again? Big difference between grabbing 1 five* recruit in DAT and a home grown kid in Colt, and arguably the 3 best defensive 5* recruiting class of the west... BIG DIFFERENCE! That with no Pac-10 or 12 championship and no BCS appearances.

It will draw some attention!

It seems to me that winning is not the major factor when it comes to a PSA making his decision. Justin on DT always says location seems to be the most important to PSA's, as most kids want to play close to home. There's a reason why teams like Michigan, Texas, Florida, USC, CAL, and Florida State will always do good in recruiting is because they are located in states that have prime high school football competition.

Secondly, playing time and relationships with the coaches would probably be second before winning.

 

[Wheels]

Sorry don't buy it... Tedford on hot seat for two years.. No championships and no chance they'll catch us or Stanford in the north. They can't beat USC in the south who also has a few national championships to brag about with recruits... So how again are they out recruiting both of our programs again? Big difference between grabbing 1 five* recruit in DAT and a home grown kid in Colt, and arguably the 3 best defensive 5* recruiting class of the west... BIG DIFFERENCE! That with no Pac-10 or 12 championship and no BCS appearances.

It will draw some attention!

you do realize that Cal already had an in with Shaq with his brother Syd'Quan playing there before. The Beavers must have cheated to get JaQuizz then, and it couldnt have had anything to do with James Rodgers being there already, and having that familiarity? Mccarthy by almost every account is like 95% USC so not sure why you are including him in that, I mean Cal could "potentially" get him, but technically so could we I guess so that leaves Armstead. who is from Elk Grove, which is a WHOPPING 90 miles from Berkley... so he couldnt qualify as homegrown, like Lyerla is to us? I find it ironic that someone who accused a bunch of other people in here as "Homer" type posters, couldnt see this?

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I guess we just disagree.... I go to a team that will get me exposure and a national championship if I'm a 5* talent like these guys, in the Pac-12, that's USC, Oregon and "MAYBE" Stanford, we'll see how Luck finally does. To go to a program that will be worked by USC and Oregon for the next 4 years seems like a waste of talent at that level and could hurt my final stock and my overall college football experience. That's why at their level I'd pick a BCS type of team and Cal is not one of those teams!

BTW- Oregon and USC "ARE" the Pac-12 right now and for the foreseeable future, I think everyone in the country would agree with that! So when you see this type of talent opting for Cal, of course it's going to raise a flag. Has nothing to do with being a homer. It's the same as when Auburn pulled two of the top ten recruiting classes the last few years over teams like Bama and LSU... It's exactly why everyone from Florida is feeling so uneasy about Meyer taking over at OSU... Talk to some alum down there and see how they would describe Meyer's recruiting habbits.... Eye opener for sure!!!! I would suggest this is a make or break year for Tedford and recruiting violations are the least of his worries. As we've seen USC can win several championships be put on probations, and come rolling right back!

 

[Ghost Pepper]

BTW- McCarthy after visiting Oregon said the Ducks were his new #1 and they'd be tough to beat... now Cal is on his list... it's just surprising.... And as for Armstead his brother is being mishandled at USC and that has affected his comit there as he was a solid Trojan in sept......

 

[PapaG]

We were winning and going to big bowl games. Cal is not.

Yep.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

In the coldest great white infested waters to santa cruz! HAHAHA! I can see Armistead and McCarthy in a wet suit! That's gotta be a shark xmas fantasy when the seals are to smart to go in for a dip! HAHAHA!

 

[Da_O]

I guess we just disagree.... I go to a team that will get me exposure and a national championship if I'm a 5* talent like these guys, in the Pac-12, that's USC, Oregon and "MAYBE" Stanford, we'll see how Luck finally does. To go to a program that will be worked by USC and Oregon for the next 4 years seems like a waste of talent at that level and could hurt my final stock and my overall college football experience. That's why at their level I'd pick a BCS type of team and Cal is not one of those teams!

BTW- Oregon and USC "ARE" the Pac-12 right now and for the foreseeable future, I think everyone in the country would agree with that! So when you see this type of talent opting for Cal, of course it's going to raise a flag. Has nothing to do with being a homer. It's the same as when Auburn pulled two of the top ten recruiting classes the last few years over teams like Bama and LSU... It's exactly why everyone from Florida is feeling so uneasy about Meyer taking over at OSU... Talk to some alum down there and see how they would describe Meyer's recruiting habbits.... Eye opener for sure!!!! I would suggest this is a make or break year for Tedford and recruiting violations are the least of his worries. As we've seen USC can win several championships be put on probations, and come rolling right back!

Why should it raise a flag?

Cal is in a prime recruiting location with a major market city right next to them. They are known for their academics and they have a better history than us of sending players to the NFL in recent years. Not only that, word is their D-line coach Tosh Lupoi is one of the best recruiters around. He's really young and seems to relate to all the PSA's. Everytime I read about a PSA visiting Cal they always seem to bring up how great "Coach Tosh" is.

 

[Da_O]

Kelly could have visited Armstead after his in-home with Kyle Murphy. but instead chartered a flight to Hawaii to meet with Buckner. San Clemente is only about a 30 minute drive to Irvine where Armstead lives.

It's either they value Buckner more or it is indeed true that Armstead is a heavy lean towards Cal.

That being said though Oregon should be getting some good news, as I think Buckner will be committing to us soon as he cancelled his trip to Cal(which is huge). Also I believe we are the favorite right now to land Kyle Long who would help bolster the offensive line next year as the Ducks will likely look to make a run for the National Championship.

 

[STOMP]

I guess we just disagree.... I go to a team that will get me exposure and a national championship if I'm a 5* talent like these guys, in the Pac-12, that's USC, Oregon and "MAYBE" Stanford, we'll see how Luck finally does. To go to a program that will be worked by USC and Oregon for the next 4 years seems like a waste of talent at that level and could hurt my final stock and my overall college football experience. That's why at their level I'd pick a BCS type of team and Cal is not one of those teams!

BTW- Oregon and USC "ARE" the Pac-12 right now and for the foreseeable future, I think everyone in the country would agree with that! So when you see this type of talent opting for Cal, of course it's going to raise a flag. Has nothing to do with being a homer. It's the same as when Auburn pulled two of the top ten recruiting classes the last few years over teams like Bama and LSU... It's exactly why everyone from Florida is feeling so uneasy about Meyer taking over at OSU... Talk to some alum down there and see how they would describe Meyer's recruiting habbits.... Eye opener for sure!!!! I would suggest this is a make or break year for Tedford and recruiting violations are the least of his worries. As we've seen USC can win several championships be put on probations, and come rolling right back!

funny that you think everyone agrees with you when quite clearly you're way out on a limb by yourself

STOMP