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From Sam Amick, today:


As Charlotte continues to ponder its decision at No. 2, numerous executives expect the Bobcats to be approached by Cleveland (No. 4) about the possibility of swapping picks (if it hasn't happened already) in order for the Cavaliers to land Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal. While Cavs point guard Kyrie Irving is known to be a huge proponent of drafting North Carolina small forward Harrison Barnes, it appears Beal has shot up their big board just as he has so many others, and it's widely believed that he won't get past Washington at No. 3 if they don't make a move.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...bobcats-bradley-beal/index.html#ixzz1yXcs5Noc
 
yuyuza1 said:
Anyone concerned about Lillard's camp not letting him do any workouts with other prospects?
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Not really. Beal, MKG and Barnes aren't doing group workouts are they? Of course Davis isn't doing any. They guy showed up at the combine and showed what he had, which nobody above him did. He probably feels he did his thing, so why risk getting hurt by some team putting you in with a bunch of guys you don't know.
 
From the same Amick article (it's a really good read into the Top-6 picks - I recommend you check it out):


• With so many expecting some version of the aforementioned five players will be taken in the top five, things could get very interesting at No. 6 for Portland.

While Drummond remains the most mysterious talent in this crop and his upside is -- like him -- huge, the Blazers may not be convinced that he's the guy there. If they passed on him, Weber State point guard Damian Lillard could be the chosen one for new general manager Neil Olshey. Lillard got rave reviews in his workout there June 15 and reportedly attended dinner with owner Paul Allen and the team's front office members after.

Lillard is known to like the fit in Portland and wants to be there, but it would be risky to wait until their second pick (No. 11) to get him. The risk could pay off, though, as sources from rival teams say the top candidates to take him (Toronto at No. 8 and New Orleans at No. 10) appear to be fixated more on different prospects than they are on Lillard (specifically, I'm told the Raptors are contemplating between Syracuse guard Dion Waiters, Connecticut guard Jeremy Lamb and Duke guard Austin Rivers, while the Hornets could be locking in on Rivers and Waiters if either of them are still there).

Lillard was expected to work out for the Hornets this week, but his camp continues to resist New Orleans' request that he take part in a group workout. That could play a part as well, as Hornets general manager Dell Demps has plenty of options there who have agreed to a workout. North Carolina center Tyler Zeller is being considered at No. 11 as well.
 
Amick's article seems to indicate that the #2 could be a crucial pick in how the next several picks play out. Barnes, Beal, or T-Rob could go at #2.

My speculation: If CHA takes Beal, it could throw some things out of whack that would seem out of Portland's favor.
 
Makes you wonder if other teams are really interested in Lillard, or are bluffing with the reported interest, in an effort to get Portland to draft Lillard at #6, thereby allowing other prospects to slide past....
 
Ford's list seems right on target. I would probably move Wroten down one step and Harkless maybe up one . . . maybe.

I'm not sure we are in a bad spot. If we really want one of the top guys, we might be able to swing something with Sac. If they like Lillard and Drummond, then they could have one at 6. Right not the draft seems to be going:

1. Davis
2. Barnes or Beal
3. Beal or MKG
4. Barnes or MKG
5. Robinson (who didn't work out for Kings, and might not want to play for them)
6. Lillard or Drummond, who Sac seem to like both of
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Thanks for post (repped because of risk involved?)

With this tier group 6 and 11 kind of suck. I mean it is good to have 6 and 11, but if BPA is the theory going into the draft, there is a drop right at 6 and at 9.

I hope Ford is wrong with his groupings . . .

Edit: got to spread the rep around I guess
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Yeah, this is why I think more and more that POR has got to trade up and get 1 of those 4 guys (Beal, Barnes, MKG or Robinson)...at #6, they are so close, if any team above them is wavering or might prefer another player or wants to shed some salary...POR has got to be creative and make a deal...
 
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Reep said:
Ford's list seems right on target. I would probably move Wroten down one step and Harkless maybe up one . . . maybe.

I'm not sure we are in a bad spot. If we really want one of the top guys, we might be able to swing something with Sac. If they like Lillard and Drummond, then they could have one at 6. Right not the draft seems to be going:

1. Davis
2. Barnes or Beal
3. Beal or MKG
4. Barnes or MKG
5. Robinson (who didn't work out for Kings, and might not want to play for them)
6. Lillard or Drummond, who Sac seem to like both of
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Not that anyone would expect any differently, but I do know that Portland and Sacto have been chatting about a potential swap of 5 and 6. If Sacto is okay with Drummond, then a deal makes a lot of sense for both teams.
 
Blaze01 said:
Yeah, this is why I think more and more that POR has got to trade up and get 1 of those 4 guys (Beal, Barnes, MKG or Robinson)...at #6, they are so close, if any team above them is wavering or might prefer another player or wants to shed some salary...POR has got to be creative and make a deal...
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I don't know if I agree that there is much difference at all betweens Tier 2 and 3, very very subjective IMO
 
I keep wondering if CLE is downplaying Drummond's workout against Robinson as a smokescreen. Amick said someone told him he was "destroyed", then a FO guy said it "wasn't that bad."

Do you think if it got out that Drummond did well against Robinson, that

I think our hope should be that Drummond goes Top 5, preferably to CHA. WAS gets Beal, CLE takes Robinson or Barnes, and then Sac's on the board with either of those two or MKG. We get one of the three.

If CLE takes Beal, WAS is screwed and might trade out.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Not that anyone would expect any differently, but I do know that Portland and Sacto have been chatting about a potential swap of 5 and 6. If Sacto is okay with Drummond, then a deal makes a lot of sense for both teams.
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Hadn't heard that. Would be awesome.
 
None of these top projected prospects (TRob/Bea/MKG/Barnes, etc) have worked out for either SAC or POR.

Wonder if that makes a difference.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Hadn't heard that. Would be awesome.
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Like MM, I have my own pizza delivery guy. Things occasionally trickle to him, and to me. I don't mention it much because the stuff he delivers is usually nothing earth-shattering, but occasionally he delivers before the media does.

But it's not like the thought of Sacto and Portland talking about swapping picks is exactly shocking. It's just nice to get confirmation that there's mutual interest by both parties.
 
Blazinaway said:
I don't know if I agree that there is much difference at all betweens Tier 2 and 3, very very subjective IMO
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More and more I think there is a pretty big difference....Those 4 guys really don't have any glaring holes in thier games, and prety much a consensus by everyone that I have read\heard that they are a level above...

I think if your POR, your so damm close to getting one of those platers a pick or 2 away, traditionally the cost hasn't been enorous either to make a deal to swap a few spots...and POR has the added luxury of having a 2nd lottery pick and cap space to absorb a contract if necessary....So a lot of tools to entice a team to make a deal...
 
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yuyuza1 said:
None of these top projected prospects (TRob/Bea/MKG/Barnes, etc) have worked out for either SAC or POR.

Wonder if that makes a difference.
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I thought 1-2 of those guys worked out and/or at least met with the team during the combine last week, but I could be wrong. So much ish flying around right now I can't keep it all clear.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Like MM, I have my own pizza delivery guy. Things occasionally trickle to him, and to me. I don't mention it much because the stuff he delivers is usually nothing earth-shattering, but occasionally he delivers before the media does.

But it's not like the thought of Sacto and Portland talking about swapping picks is exactly shocking. It's just nice to get confirmation that there's mutual interest by both parties.
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Honestly, it is a bit shocking to me. For much the same reason that NOH won't even pick up the phone for the #1 pick (dropoff b/w 1 and 2), there's a similar dropoff at 5. SAC is guaranteed one of Beal/Robinson/MKG/Barnes, and they're willing to give that up for possibly Drummond?

I mean, if they like Drummond (or anyone else for that matter) that badly it's a good move on their part to extort something from the Blazers for their trouble. But I didn't think they'd pass of one of the Tier Twos.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Honestly, it is a bit shocking to me. For much the same reason that NOH won't even pick up the phone for the #1 pick (dropoff b/w 1 and 2), there's a similar dropoff at 5. SAC is guaranteed one of Beal/Robinson/MKG/Barnes, and they're willing to give that up for possibly Drummond?

I mean, if they like Drummond (or anyone else for that matter) that badly it's a good move on their part to extort something from the Blazers for their trouble. But I didn't think they'd pass of one of the Tier Twos.
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I think every team should be talking on the phone about their picks, except NO. I mean, Drummond could end up being the best player in this draft. He has a lot of work to do, but the potential is there. So if Sacto can acquire an additional asset to go along with acquiring a potential franchise center, I think you have to at least listen and consider.
 
I officially have a man-crush on Robinson.

After flying solo at a workout in Washington on June 13, Robinson told his agents, Tony Dutt and Jason Martin, that he was done with the individual workout approach. To Drummond's credit, he obliged. And Robinson, who I spoke with over the weekend as his strategy was changing, was thrilled to get his way.
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"I think (his competitiveness) is something I've always had, just wanting to make it more fun," Robinson said. "I think the game is much better if you're competing anyway. I mean what are you playing for? I don't get people who just go out there and just play. You want to go beat somebody else or take down somebody. That's the whole point of playing. That's my mentality."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...bobcats-bradley-beal/index.html#ixzz1yXm5lFqn
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I still like Lillard, and maybe Drummond at 6, but I would be much more excited if we get Robinson at 5, or if we have to package in pick 11, to move up and take him at 2 or 4.
 
Reep said:
I officially have a man-crush on Robinson.



I still like Lillard, and maybe Drummond at 6, but I would be much more excited if we get Robinson at 5, or if we have to package in pick 11, to move up and take him at 2 or 4.
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ME TOO!
 
Just forwarding on the message here, but it's an interesting tidbit...

On the realgm board's trade thread, they're discussing possible trades involving Crawford - citing his Player Option extension being the day after the draft... For a team that really wants Crawford in Free Agency (particularly a small market team or cap-strapped team) the opportunity to trade for him and have him accept his option (obviously it'd have to be a team he'd WANT to go to) would essentially be a way for us to get something for nothing here...

Worth pointing out - remember he almost signed w/ Sacramento before us...
Also discussed somewhere in the thread (couldn't find where in the discussion so take it w/ a grain of salt) apparently Minnesota is ready to trade 18 for Crawford straight up right now...

Thought that might stir a little new discussion with less than a week to go. Certainly an interesting and intriguing observation if nothing else...
 
glazeduck said:
Just forwarding on the message here, but it's an interesting tidbit...

On the realgm board's trade thread, they're discussing possible trades involving Crawford - citing his Player Option extension being the day after the draft... For a team that really wants Crawford in Free Agency (particularly a small market team or cap-strapped team) the opportunity to trade for him and have him accept his option (obviously it'd have to be a team he'd WANT to go to) would essentially be a way for us to get something for nothing here...

Worth pointing out - remember he almost signed w/ Sacramento before us...
Also discussed somewhere in the thread (couldn't find where in the discussion so take it w/ a grain of salt) apparently Minnesota is ready to trade 18 for Crawford straight up right now...

Thought that might stir a little new discussion with less than a week to go. Certainly an interesting and intriguing observation if nothing else...
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Love it!
I highly doubt Crawford would have any desire to go to the T-Wolves.
 
glazeduck said:
Just forwarding on the message here, but it's an interesting tidbit...

On the realgm board's trade thread, they're discussing possible trades involving Crawford - citing his Player Option extension being the day after the draft... For a team that really wants Crawford in Free Agency (particularly a small market team or cap-strapped team) the opportunity to trade for him and have him accept his option (obviously it'd have to be a team he'd WANT to go to) would essentially be a way for us to get something for nothing here...

Worth pointing out - remember he almost signed w/ Sacramento before us...
Also discussed somewhere in the thread (couldn't find where in the discussion so take it w/ a grain of salt) apparently Minnesota is ready to trade 18 for Crawford straight up right now...

Thought that might stir a little new discussion with less than a week to go. Certainly an interesting and intriguing observation if nothing else...
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These points (especially the JC to Sacto part) were mentioned a couple of times in the thread, but didn't get much play, so thanks for bringing them back up. Because they're very valid, especially when you consider Sacto is drafting at #5, one spot before us.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
These points (especially the JC to Sacto part) were mentioned a couple of times in the thread, but didn't get much play, so thanks for bringing them back up. Because they're very valid, especially when you consider Sacto is drafting at #5, one spot before us.
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Crawford and 11 for Travis and 5???
 
While I think Portland and Sacto could have some interest in getting a deal done, they could try to bring in a 3rd team to make pieces fit better, though. I don't really like anything on Sacto that they'd be willing to deal, and we don't have a lot to trade that I imagine they'd be interested in.
 
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