Zombie 2012 NBA Draft (4 Viewers)

[MickZagger]

Re: 2012 NBA Draft Prospects

It has to be a concern. Look at Babbitt. He dominated smaller, weaker players in a crappy league. It's becomes so difficult to evaluate a player who plays in a small weak conference with incredibly weak players. Sure, they can dominate there, but the jump to the NBA is much more than from a player in a major conference.

Babbitt isn't the only player to come from a small conference. There is tons of successul players in the NBA that came from small conference schools.

 

[MickZagger]

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I'm watching the Pac-12 tourney right now and Tony Wroten is as athletic of a PG as you'll find. I'd gamble on him. He could be real good.

 

[RR7]

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Babbitt isn't the only player to come from a small conference. There is tons of successul players in the NBA that came from small conference schools.

Was just looking through the numbers of it briefly, looks like about 270 of the 430 NBA players come from the "big" conferences. Another 30 are from HS, and 51 foreign born. So about 19% of players come from small schools. Not a huge amount, but still a good chunk. Less small schools than HS and foreign combined, however.

 

[RR7]

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I'm watching the Pac-12 tourney right now and Tony Wroten is as athletic of a PG as you'll find. I'd gamble on him. He could be real good.

Have heard some Iman Shumpert comparisons with Wroten, what do you think?

 

[porkchopexpress]

Re: 2012 NBA Draft Prospects

I'm watching the Pac-12 tourney right now and Tony Wroten is as athletic of a PG as you'll find. I'd gamble on him. He could be real good.

Not sure if I'd want him on the team if Nate is still coaching. He makes some dumb passes that Nate would sit him real quick for. But, he's big, athletic and has great vision. But, for the love of god he needs to finish at the rim better. All year long he'd get out on a fast break only to miss a contested layup.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Picking a PG is risky if he's not a top-5 pick.

Johnny Flynn comes to mind -- He looked great at 'Cuse but the pro-game just hasn't translated for him. He looks just as bad as Sebastian Telfair.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Have heard some Iman Shumpert comparisons with Wroten, what do you think?

Shumpert is good but would make no sense bringing in a player like that when Elliot Williams is here.

 

[RR7]

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Picking a PG is risky if he's not a top-5 pick.

Johnny Flynn comes to mind -

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Flynn was a top 6 pick. So 5 is no problem, 6 is risky?
I'd say picking anyone anywhere is risky.

 

[RR7]

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Shumpert is good but would make no sense bringing in a player like that when Elliot Williams is here.

I don't want to bring in Shumpert, was asking about Wroten. And if he can play PG, we'd have an awfully big lineup of Wroten, Batum, SF, Aldridge, C

 

[porkchopexpress]

Re: 2012 NBA Draft Prospects

Picking a PG is risky if he's not a top-5 pick.

Johnny Flynn comes to mind -- He looked great at 'Cuse but the pro-game just hasn't translated for him. He looks just as bad as Sebastian Telfair.

Flynn is 6' 185 lbs as a 2 or 3 year pro

Wroten is a 6' 5" 205 Freshman

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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I don't want to bring in Shumpert, was asking about Wroten. And if he can play PG, we'd have an awfully big lineup of Wroten, Batum, SF, Aldridge, C

He's a combo guard. With our track record that's the last thing we need.

 

[RR7]

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I think the way the lineup looks, temporarily, with Batum and Aldridge, having a combo guard is just fine. I think we need someone who can run the pick and roll/pick and pop successfully, and shoot. The ability to create for themselves while not looking for their own shot too often would be great.

 

[MickZagger]

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Have heard some Iman Shumpert comparisons with Wroten, what do you think?

Comparable because they're both athletic freaks that are very raw. I think Wroten is better with the ball in his hands slashing.

 

[MickZagger]

Re: 2012 NBA Draft Prospects

Picking a PG is risky if he's not a top-5 pick.

Johnny Flynn comes to mind -- He looked great at 'Cuse but the pro-game just hasn't translated for him. He looks just as bad as Sebastian Telfair.

You can find good PG's in the 20's of the draft all the time.

 

[MickZagger]

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He's a combo guard. With our track record that's the last thing we need.

People had the same concerns with Westbrook when he was in college that they do with Wroten.

 

[RR7]

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Comparable because they're both athletic freaks that are very raw. I think Wroten is better with the ball in his hands slashing.

Cool, haven't seen much of him. Figured it was body type/athleticism that brought the comparison, but didn't know about their games, thanks.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

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Babbitt is slow, which is why he struggles at this level

That's my point. He was lightning quick in college for his size in that junior league he was in..

 

[RR7]

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You can find good PG's in the 20's of the draft all the time.

Agreed. Looking at current starters in the leagfue, you have Rondo at 21. Lowry at 24. Brooks at 26. Holliday, lawson, teague, Maynor, Collison went 17,18,19,20,21. And then Jameer Nelson late 1st, Isiah Thomas now starting for Sacramento. Lin. Calderon. Chalmers. Parker. Monta. Devin Harris. Jack.

I think more than anything, it shows that you just have to commit to that player.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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I remember when Rondo was picked (#21) to be Telfair's future backup.

o0

 

[MickZagger]

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Agreed. Looking at current starters in the leagfue, you have Rondo at 21. Lowry at 24. Brooks at 26. Holliday, lawson, teague, Maynor, Collison went 17,18,19,20,21. And then Jameer Nelson late 1st, Isiah Thomas now starting for Sacramento. Lin. Calderon. Chalmers. Parker. Monta. Devin Harris. Jack.

I think more than anything, it shows that you just have to commit to that player.

Exactly. PG more than any other position you can find solid players later in the draft. So many of the teams are salivating over size in beginning of the 1st round unless of course there's that can't miss guard.

 

[illmatic99]

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Westbrook is a good comparison for Wroten. Crazy hops, combo guard, sneaky good passer, etc. But Westbrook's quickness is out of this world, and he has the power and strength to match. I actually think Wroten might be a better PG than Westbrook in the pros because he has a better feel for the game at this stage as a freshman. And I like Wroten a lot more than I do Ross, mainly because Wroten has more skills already.

nbadraft.net did a new mock yesterday. Finally put Austin Rivers in the 2012 mock, and has Wroten slipping to 27. If we can get Rivers/Lamb and Wroten, it will be hard to criticize. This draft is sorta hard to mess up because there's so much talent.

 

[RR7]

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This draft is sorta hard to mess up because there's so much talent.

Oh ye of little faith. Give us a chance.

 

[MickZagger]

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My Zags just signed a 7 footer from Poland named Przemysław Karnowski. He's got soft touch and great passing abilities for his size and he's just getting better. Draftexpress already has him listed in their 2013 mock draft.

I'm excited and felt like posting that here for some reason.

 

[Rhal]

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Agreed. Looking at current starters in the leagfue, you have Rondo at 21. Lowry at 24. Brooks at 26. Holliday, lawson, teague, Maynor, Collison went 17,18,19,20,21. And then Jameer Nelson late 1st, Isiah Thomas now starting for Sacramento. Lin. Calderon. Chalmers. Parker. Monta. Devin Harris. Jack.

I think more than anything, it shows that you just have to commit to that player.

This!
With Nate as our Coach he will never commit to letting a rookie play and learn the game over 2 years and make mistakes. He will yank the guy and kill his confidence every time he makes a mistake. Nate is not a coach who can develop a PG who isn't ready for the NBA off the bat.

 

[Boise Blazer]

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What sucks is this is the kind of draft that a bunch of teams are going to "miss" on a bunch of players. And I have a bad feeling that there will be some PG's in this draft that we pass on that will be good. Especially considering our track record for drafting PG's its going to be even more frustrating to see that happen in this draft. The draft is always a crapshoot but this year will be that much more interesting. On flipside if the draft is as deep as some think there are going to be a few players that drop far in this draft that might be second round steals. Its amazing how much a great PG draft could change this team.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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I'm kinda intrigued with Jared Cunningham. His mix of scoring and defense, kinda reminds me of a Avery Bradley type.

 

[B-Roy]

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I really hope we don't pick a wing unless it's an obvious talent pick. Need a big and a point a lot more.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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I really hope we don't pick a wing unless it's an obvious talent pick. Need a big and a point a lot more.

We passed on Faried because he's a 6'7" PF/C, nevermind the fact that he has a near 40" vertical leap combined with a 9'0" reach (2" more than J. Noah's)...

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[RR7]

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near 40?

 

[illmatic99]

Re: 2012 NBA Draft Prospects

Forget Jeremy Lamb.

We're about to get into Davis territory.

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