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Reep said:
Respectfully disagree. Oden's offense (outside the dunk) was pretty terrible. He had questionable foot work and almost no touch on the ball. Drummond has an equally bad shot, but not much worse the Oden. I think they are quite similar.
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It's not just the shooting, it's the ability to use his size effectively, take up space, get off clean looks even if the touch is iffy, etc. Drummond has none of that.
 
handiman said:
It's not just the shooting, it's the ability to use his size effectively, take up space, get off clean looks even if the touch is iffy, etc. Drummond has none of that.
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He is an 18 year old though. A year young for his class. Did Bynum know any of that coming into the league? Favors? Obviously you do your homework and make sure the guy has a work ethic but if that checks out then why would you assume that because a guy is far off that he'll never improve enough to be NBA caliber? That's how Bynum slipped to 10, and the Lakers capitalized on it (and protected their investment by hiring Kareem to personally coach him).
 
RealGM.........

Perry Jones III is intrigued about the possibility of joining the Brandon Jennings led Bucks.

"You always need a good guard, especially a young guard,” Jones said. “They like to run the floor. That's the kind of style I play, running the floor."

"I believe I can help a franchise turn around. Hopefully somebody will have faith in me, just like I have faith in myself."

Jones has a workout scheduled with the Bucks, who own the 12th overall pick.

"It's very important," Jones said of the workout process. "It may be the difference in me being picked 12th and me being picked eighth. Showing I'm not the person they think I am, showing I have a motor and can get after it in workouts and practices, whatever.

"Hopefully (my role) is very different. I sacrificed a lot in college. I gave up a lot of things, such as scoring, because I thought I had other people on my team that could score.

"I'm definitely more comfortable in the midrange area from 16 to 18 feet. I can either back down a smaller defender or face up a bigger defender."

Via Milwaukee Journal Sentinel


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...By_Possibility_Of_Joining_Bucks#ixzz1xMhB8s45
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Real GM.....

Andre Drummond met with the Kings at the NBA draft combine, where team officials told him he would mesh well with DeMarcus Cousins.

"They told me we both could be interchangeable," Drummond said. "We both can do similar things, and if it worked out, we'd have a good chemistry together."

Drummond averaged 7.9 rebounds and 2.7 blocked shots during his freshman season at Connecticut.

"I'm going to work my tail off on defense, grab a lot of rebounds, block some shots and put some points on the board," Drummond said. "It's going to be tough. I'm going to be making a big transition from college to the NBA. … I'm not saying I'm going to go out there and drop 30 and 15 every game. I'm saying I'm going to go out there and do the best I can."

Via Sacramento Bee


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...As_Seamless_Fit_Next_To_Cousins#ixzz1xMhTUsY8
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Lamb is a quirky dude...he has the vision\desire\IQ to create offense for himself, but not so much to do so for anyone else
 
GOD said:
Oh shit, I feel like a retard. Just got a response


Sorry. What should I do? Should I go erase my posts or just sit her and take the berating that will surly follow



Sorry. I messed up.
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Suffice to say, you're not really God.

God could fix this. Or he'd at least know better than to confide in this board for answers.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
That sounds a lot like Ricky Davis or JR Smith.
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I think in some respects that could be correct....maybe kind of like those guys but without all the off\on court bs.....

The more I look at him the more I think he will be a scorer in this league, but not a necessarily a go-to guy....He could be like a #3 scorer type....But I don't see him putting a team on his back and carrying it...but with 2 other good players around him, he could be effective....he certainly has some very good offensive skill....

Maybe like a Rudy Gay?
 
Blaze01 said:
I think in some respects that could be correct....maybe kind of like those guys but without all the off\on court bs.....

The more I look at him the more I think he will be a scorer in this league, but not a necessarily a go-to guy....He could be like a #3 scorer type....But I don't see him putting a team on his back and carrying it...but with 2 other good players around him, he could be effective....he certainly has some very good offensive skill....

Maybe like a Rudy Gay?
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More like Nick Young.
 
as a baseline, ok....upside though IMO is like a Rudy Gay....
 
Run BJM said:
He is an 18 year old though. A year young for his class.
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Agreed. But that wasn't my point. I'm saying Drummond is super raw, much more so than Oden, not that there aren't reasons for it which might be addressable. (For anyone that disagrees, how do you explain two nearly identical physical/athletic specimens being so dramatically different in where they're pegged in their respective drafts?)
 
With Drummond I know he has the defensive skills and frankly i could less about the offense. That would just be icing on the cake.
 
Boise Blazer said:
With Drummond I know he has the defensive skills and frankly i could less about the offense. That would just be icing on the cake.
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One of these are Drummond's college stats, and one of these are Kelvin Cato's college stats:

6'10, 270 lbs, 10.0 ppg, 53.8% fg, 29.5% ft, 7.6 rpg, 2.7 bpg, 2.2 fpg

6'11, 255 lbs, 10.9 ppg, 54.7% fg, 54.0% ft, 8.1 rpg, 4.1 bpg, 2.8 fpg

I know Drummond is young and has 'potential'. But he certainly hasn't 'done it' yet.
 
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42N8Bounce said:
One of these are Drummond's college stats, and one of these are Kelvin Cato's college stats:

6'10, 270 lbs, 10.0 ppg, 53.8% fg, 29.5% ft, 7.6 rpg, 2.7 bpg, 2.2 fpg

6'11, 255 lbs, 10.9 ppg, 54.7% fg, 54.0% ft, 8.1 rpg, 4.1 bpg, 2.8 fpg
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One was kinda old when drafted (almost 23) after 3 college seasons (2 other seasons were lost to inelginility/transferring). The line you're showing is the best, and final, season of Cato (I believe).

One is young for his class, and only went to college for one year.

There's a 5-year gap in their ages when drafted.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
One was kinda old when drafted (almost 23) after 3 college seasons (2 other seasons were lost to inelginility/transferring). The line you're showing is the best, and final, season of Cato (I believe).

One is young for his class, and only went to college for one year.

There's a 5-year gap in their ages when drafted.
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Definitely an age difference. But until the younger one actually puts up the stats, it's just 'potential'. That word scares me.
 
Well one at 18 had a much better first season than the other at age 20.

And the one season at 18 nearly matches the other's ones best season (who was 23 at the time).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Well one at 18 had a much better first season than the other at age 20.

And the one season at 18 nearly matches the other's ones best season (who was 23 at the time).
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Greg Oden shot 62% ft in college with his left hand because he injured his right hand. I remember people talking about how much better he's going to be when he's able to shoot with his right hand (potential). In the NBA, he shot 66.6% ft with his right hand.

I'm not saying Drummand won't be good. He certainly has the NBA body. If he's going to succeed in the NBA, I think he's got a lot of work ahead of him. I think he's a risky pick.
 
42N8Bounce said:
Greg Oden shot 62% ft in college with his left hand because he injured his right hand. I remember people talking about how much better he's going to be when he's able to shoot with his right hand (potential). In the NBA, he shot 66.6% ft with his right hand.

I'm not saying Drummand won't be good. He certainly has the NBA body. If he's going to succeed in the NBA, I think he's got a lot of work ahead of him. I think he's a risky pick.
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I'm not totally sold on Drummond, though I really do like his potential. I think he's going to at least be a solid defensive presence and anchor.

That being said, I just am not sold on the Kelvin Cato comparison. I don't think it's a good comparison. That's all.
 
It'll be interesting to hear Chris Haynes' take on why they are talking to Cleveland.

If we can find out who the Kings are targeting thats likely the reason why the Blazers are trying to leapfrog Sacramento.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
It'll be interesting to hear Chris Haynes' take on why they are talking to Cleveland.

If we can find out who the Kings are targeting thats likely the reason why the Blazers are trying to leapfrog Sacramento.
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Well being in the top 5 ensures one of T-Rob, Drummond, Beal, or MKG. Sullinger/Barnes seem to be considered another tier. The Cavs reportedly really want Barnes, but probably know 4 is a bit high for him and dropping a few spots could allow them to get him at a better value plus add another asset.

Who does PDX want? Really hard to say. MKG plays the same position as Batum but I doubt they rule him out if hes there. The other guys play positions of need for Portland. Who does Sac want? They seem to like Thornton at SG, as they moved Tyreke to SF for him. They also seem to be done with Tyreke altogether. But they likely just take whoever from the top 5 is there, even if its Beal. The key here is that neither Barnes nor Sullinger is a very good fit for PDX given that they already have Batum and Aldridge. I think they'd probably love to get any of the top 5 guys, but they know Petrie isn't letting anyone slip past him.

As a Warrior fan I really hope they try to get in on the Cavs' pick. Barnes could be there at 7 should the top 5 all go according to plan and then Portland takes Lillard. Would absolutely love to get MKG or Drummond but TRob or Beal is fine too lol. We have the 7, 30, 35, and 52 picks in this draft. Not sure there's enough there to get it done, but we also have Dorrell Wright (expiring as well), Jeremy Tyler, Charles Jenkins and can take back Luke Walton, though all of that may be of little value to Cleveland.
 
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