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BrianFromWA said:
I know a bunch about Wroten. I've seen him play in person, which is something I'm not sure every GM can say. I've talked to a few of the AAU hanger-on guys that watch him. I've been following him a bit ever since he blew out his knee playing football in HS, or almost was rendered ineligible for passing a Spanish class that was set up for him and two buddies.

BTW, Rondo went #21, not 1 or 2. What makes you think his risks (lower scoring, smaller role on team and more of a non-optimal attitude than Wroten) made him drop, but wouldn't make Wroten? I've acknowledged that he can't go right and that he can't shoot. Even so, just about every draft evaluator says he has "Top 10 talent" but are worried about his ability to improve. Are you going to acknowledge that he still managed to find a way to score 16 a game, or that he didn't get 5rpg, or 4 assists (with 4 to's), or 2 steals? Seems relatively complete to me. Unless you think that none of the Pac-12 coaches realized he had no right hand or jump shot? Did we just scoop everyone?!?

You say "yet again" as if I wasn't right about Webster being better than your boy Outlaw, and that it was because he was from Seattle that I liked him. Wrong on both counts. ;)
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Outlaw was a more effective Blazer than Webster. My Rondo/#1/#2 comment was because you said Wroten is a 6'6" Rondo, and that's if he doesn't improve his jumper. I'm not sure how that comment gets justified in any manner at all. If you view Wroten as a larger version of Rondo, then he should be one of the first players drafted. If you meant his potential, well, that's a different story, and not really relevant to a current Rondo comparison. Reece Gaines would then be a more appropriate comparison, IMO.
 
PapaG said:
Outlaw was a more effective Blazer than Webster. My Rondo/#1/#2 comment was because you said Wroten is a 6'6" Rondo, and that's if he doesn't improve his jumper. I'm not sure how that comment gets justified in any manner at all. If you view Wroten as a larger version of Rondo, then he should be one of the first players drafted. If you meant his potential, well, that's a different story, and not really relevant to a current Rondo comparison. Reece Gaines would then be a more appropriate comparison, IMO.
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I say that because many of the exact same concerns that dropped Rondo to the 21st pick are those that Wroten has, as well as many of the same strengths. Except that Wroten's 6'6" and coming out after his freshman year instead of sophomore. If he had a jumper, he'd BE in the Top 5. But he doesn't.

Rondo had "Top 5 Talent" (obviously) but dropped b/c of his weaknesses and risks. He's shown that those can be overcome. Wroten has "Top 10 Talent" but will drop to the mid-to-late first b/c of his weaknesses and risks. But they're very similar to Rondo's. Hence, my comment that he's a 6'6 Rondo.

I don't know why you're having Reece Gaines flashbacks, it makes me think that you've seen neither of them play, which I know is untrue. Where did that come from? Gaines was never anything but a skinny SG. I mean, why not toss out Jeryl Sasser? He played more of a combo guard for the Magic than Gaines did.
 
I don't think a guy who is supposed to be a "true PG" but averages more turnovers than assists would be in the top 5, even if he had a jump shot.
 
Agree to disagree, then. I'm trying to find a single writeup of him that says he's "not a PG" or "a combo guard" or says anything bad about his court vision.
 
Steve Nash's freshman year: 2.2 assists, 2.0 turnovers per game
Steve Nash's Sophomore year: 3.7 assists, 2.9 turnovers per game

David Aldridge said:
Wroten, the Pac 10 Freshman of the Year, is trying to decide whether to enter the Draft. Pro scouts are split on whether his skills as a scorer can overcome his occasional wild decision-making.
"I'm not saying the guy's not talented, but holy cow," one scout said. "I don't care if you're playing rec ball, AAU ball, you have to look at a point guard and say, 'Would I want to play with this guy?'"
Said another: "He's always trying to make the spectacular play instead of the easy play. He sees the easy pass to make, but instead he does the lookaway, and he gets a turnover. Probably the best body, the most physical of those three (Marshall and Lillard). Between he and Kendall Marshall, it's a crapshoot on who's a worse shooter. Game-wise he compares to Tyreke (Evans), just a real aggressive scorer."
But another longtime personnel man likes Wroten's athleticism, his strength and his ability to get where he needs to go -- even as he acknowledged Wroten's shortcomings.
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DraftExpress said:
Standing somewhere between 6-5 and 6-6 with a solid frame, good length, and very good overall athleticism, Tony Wroten has a great set of tools for the shooting guard position, and even better one for a combo or point guard. From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1yaKCH9Zj
http://www.draftexpress.com
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scoutreports said:
Wroten is extremely blessed with uncanny court vision and tends to find the open man regardless of the defense. Wroten tends to go left most of the time as he needs to focus on improving his right hand. Wroten has a killer left to right cross over penetration dribble that leaves his defender scrambling to recover. With the tutelage of Coach Romar at the University of Washington, Wroten will be groomed to be a pure point guard which will only make him more suited for the next level in the NBA.
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sumoskinny said:
Wroten was quietly one of the better freshman guards in the country last season, probably because he played in the pitiful Pac-12. But the 6-6 point guard is certainly on NBA scouts’ radars. With that kind of size, Wroten will have no trouble finding a spot on an NBA roster next year. He’s a freak athlete and a gifted passer.
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@pdxtrailblazers said:
Wroten says he wants to play point guard but for Portland he would do whatever it takes
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Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft
Jeremy Lamb. RT @Andreas1O1 @Probballdraft who do you think is in play at #4 for the Cavs that few people are expecting to be?

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft
Barnes. RT @DwavY @Probballdraft with all the rumors of cavs movin up to the 2nd pick to get beal, what will the wiz do at 3, MKG?

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft
Lillard, rivers. RT @mwright91 @Probballdraft who are you hearing the hornets are targeting at 10?
 
It's funny/interesting that Nash's college numbers were very similar to Lillard's.

I've seen all of the stuff you quoted said before, but when I watched him play, I didn't see it, and his stats don't show it either. I'll just say I don't think he will ever be a starting PG in the NBA, and I think it's extremely likely he will play SG almost exclusively.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft
Jeremy Lamb. RT @Andreas1O1 @Probballdraft who do you think is in play at #4 for the Cavs that few people are expecting to be?

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft
Barnes. RT @DwavY @Probballdraft with all the rumors of cavs movin up to the 2nd pick to get beal, what will the wiz do at 3, MKG?

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft
Lillard, rivers. RT @mwright91 @Probballdraft who are you hearing the hornets are targeting at 10?
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I would SO love it if ANY of those 3 happened. Especially reaching for Lamb. I thought Drummond was the only guy with a shot to be reached for in the Top 5.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I would SO love it if ANY of those 3 happened. Especially reaching for Lamb. I thought Drummond was the only guy with a shot to be reached for in the Top 5.
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1. Davis
2. Robinson
3. Beal
4. Lamb
5. Barnes
6. MKG!!!!

A guy can dream
 
RR7 said:
Yeah, I saw the amick quote. Figure an "insider" posting it might add a little intrigue or legitimacy. Seems like the cav fans think it ia an overpay, but seems worth it to me.
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I hardly call it "insider" given the way you and the poster preface it.
 
Wonder if Sheridan knows some shit or if he's just trying to get clicks on the website?
 
It's hard to believe so many teams would be so stupid and let MKG and TRob drop that far.
 
Man...... were we lucky we got this pick from jersey or what? Wouldn't be as excited about next season if we just had #11.
 
HCP said:
Man...... were we lucky we got this pick from jersey or what? Wouldn't be as excited about next season if we just had #11.
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Agreed 100%. However you slice it, nothing about this deal makes sense over giving up the pick, IMO. :dunno:
 
BE

UConn center Andre Drummond

Drummond is the one that, honestly, anybody who says they know is lying. Nobody has any idea. I ran a top-75 high school players deal in New England to promote New England players. Drummond was at the camp that I ran as a sophomore in high school. To be honest, he's gotten no better since then. He's the same player he was then. I remember raving about him but does he love it? How tough is he? Physically, you look at him, he's Dwight Howard. He can pass the heck out of the ball. He's got a pretty good IQ. Too nice of a kid. not a motor. Which is the opposite of Thomas Robinson and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Those two guys bring it every single play.
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I'd stay away from Drummond.
 
Rumor from the Raps forum: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1189223&sid=c0da7256e66032d17d821c24a9bfeaf8

hey guys,

feel free to merge this with the draft thread, but just got a little tidbit from my inside soure with the raps. I just found out that they have been actively shopping our pick and an asset (not sure if it is one or multiple players) for SACs pick. SAC is seriously considering it, but the deal is no where near finalized OR is it fully agreed upon.

Apparently the hope is to draft either barnes (or beal depending on the board). They are really high on barnes and feel he will compliment our team on both ends. I don't know what that means for our pursuit of a FA SF, but i would love to see him in a raps uni.

Thought I would share some insights, and leave it for discussion. How do you all feel about this, and what assets would make the most sense to give up? I was thinking one of our front court players, but doubt SAC would need it.
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I just have a feeling that anybody that is credible enough to actually HAVE a source wouldn't go posting info from said source on a forum.
 
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