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Probably why the staff targeted Baker with Kamp gonna leave. He was a senior anyway and this can free up a scholarship.
 
MJA said:
Damn. Sam Kamp transferring. Ugh.
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not transferring, retiring from playing football as he will be graduating this coming summer. He battled hand and leg injuries during much of his UO time, I was happy for him to go out on a high note with a healthy final season where he contributed a lot to their success as a key reserve & fill in starter.

Good luck to Sam!

STOMP
 
Yeah he had a lot of coaches present.

Also, Murray is gonna have an In-house visit from the coaches, probably after the coaches wrap up in SoCal with Iman Marshall.

I've also heard murmurs that Vernon Adams out of Eastern Washington may transfer
 
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Quack U! said:
247 sports today in the DUCK TERRITORY Q and A and a guy who I think knows a bit more about Duck recruiting than you!
by Justin Hopkins staff at 247 today,
What has been this years ('15 cycle) biggest surprise for you in Oregon recruiting?"
"Canton Kaumatule. He was all set for Stanford but couldn't get in. Now he will be Oregon's only 5-star signee."

I know how you love your FACTS and credible sources and telling everyone how full of shit they are when they don't provide facts or a source. Sooo.... as you've said to 1 Honest Fan, and Daigotsu and myself, let's see if you can take accountability for your HUGE BS BLUNDER RANT! Shit spoon, Stomp is open for breakfast!
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I see you still can't figure out how to quote someone :lol: way way over your head. Yes I do prefer facts over BS, which is precisely why I don't like your nonsense or Justin Hopkins. I'm on record here in this very thread at least a half dozen times saying he's a bullshit artist, so you attempting to play gotcha using someone I've repeatedly called a bullshit artist as a source and calling him "credible" is in itself pretty silly. Do you know the only place where media types can get a prospect's grades? From the prospect. And since Canton doesn't have an email or twitter account or even a cell, and he hasn't given interviews to anyone on rivals or 247 guess where JHop almost assuredly pulled the couldn't get into Stanford line? Hint hint, the same dark stinkhole you pull your info from.

Living in the Bay Area, I hear the "didn't have the grades" seemingly every time Stanford loses out on a recruit from their fans and local sports talk... we heard it here with Rex Manu too. But here's a couple facts to consider. Stanford massively relaxed the entry requirements for athletes back when Harbaugh took over. It's no longer that hard for prospects to qualify for enrollment... reportedly just 3.0 core GPA and 1000 2-part SAT/23 ACT. And take a lookie loo at the lax standards athletes have to adhere to for staying eligible.

https://undergrad.stanford.edu/advi...hletes/ncaa-academic-eligibility-requirements

So excuse me for doubting that someone (JHop) with a history of pulling stories from his ass doesn't ring as credible when he repeats an oft told myth. And lol at you acting like you've ever been accountable for any of the constant BS you pump into this forum.

BTW- I told you last year right before the Alamo Bowl Allioti would be gone, and you cackleoo.... How'd that work out for you?
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So lets examine who's story is more credible... yours or Allioti's. Nick claimed he wanted to retire the year before, but since Chip was leaving he felt an obligation to UO to stay an extra year. Having been a very successful DC for decades at both major colleges and the NFL, certainly he could have landed another coaching job if he wanted, but he's 60+ and has made millions and a cushy job with the Pac 12 network awaited. You claim he was fired/pushed aside because the program was dissatisfied with the results his schemes provided. That the historic winning & multiple BCS games in a row wasn't enough... the program demands more... and most importantly they must switch to the defensive schemes armchair QB Swimblock prefers.

Then the program acted by hiring someone from Allioti's staff who ran his mentor's schemes and ends up helping guide Oregon to the NCG in his 1st year on the job. Given that the program doubled down on Nick's D by promoting from within, how in the world can you continue to delude yourself that this is anything but another fail for you? I know it must be painful to your ego to have so many of your predictions turn out to be so wildly off base, but instead of acknowledging the obvious that you were flat wrong, you attempting to crow about it like you were right... it's a fucking clown show.

How'd that work out for me? Just great thanks! I like it that the D continues to give up very few points and that the team continues to dominate. How'd it work out for you?

but you wont address this:

The Ducks defense is ranked nationally 100th or worse in both run stop and 3rd down conversions . We've been run over due to lack of depth and skill on the NG to LB spots for two national championships in five years and since 2008 have never gotten below 68 best in either defensive category. This also correlates directly to our recruiting or lack there of it. Stanford, LSU, Auburn and now OSU for the second time in a bowl beat us up and we couldn't respond. No team has ever won a national championship with an overall defense this poor. It's poor because of our scheme 1st, and our recruiting that doesn't fit our scheme. A 3-4 works if you have kick ass LB's and Oregon can't recruit them. So logic might say put another guy in the box till your LB's are good enough to run it the other way. Now I've said forever if you can't get a couple top notch D tackles to get penetration your LB's can't hit their gaps on a 3-4. Oregon hasn't been able to recruit top DT's either.

I'd love to hear your response to this because it's pretty clear we're not recruiting well to the defense we are employing. Further it seems you feel our D and its recruiting is doing just fine. Be it I'm so full of it, I guess you'll be able to tell us all how our D will improve the way it's going to be an elite enough unit to win a national championship?
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First of all, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Why should others address your questions, when you dodge responsibility for answering to any/all of the myriad of your debunked claims? So much of what you say is BS on it's face and yet you never admit you were wrong let alone show some sense and slow down with further BS. Have you checked out Daylon Mack's profile yet? Whats up with all those DLineman from my list who've committed when you said none would? When are you going to admit being dead wrong about them losing 5 games this year? You said thats what you were "hoping for." Following making that claim they rolled everyone to the title game by 20+ points. Own it. No, the coaches aren't getting fired, they're getting bonuses. Accept reality. No they aren't striking out on DLine recruits as you've been predicting, they're landing one big athletic stud after another. Carlberg, Kaumatule, Manu & Baker all have size and speed. Certainly most Duck fans who follow this stuff aren't disappointed, they're thrilled. But of course no other Duck fans (but you) root for the team to lose.

Other posters & various media have explained UO's defensive strategy repeatedly, but you can't (or deliberately won't) accept it because you want to be angry and call for coach's heads like you've done since the gray day when you first graced us with your clown act. If you've failed to figure it out by now, why should anyone think explaining it one more time would help? Here goes...The goal of football isn't to give up the least 1st downs, it's to win the game by outscoring your opponent. Oregon decided years back that they'd try a different tack then the traditional approach that you advocate, and have successfully targeted recruits to play in this system. The guys they target are often very different from those that the services have rated highest. The guys they land often far exceed their ratings and go on to NFL careers. Having an offense that plays with Oregon's pace means that the Defense is going to be on the field a whole lot. Their goal is to physically wear down the opponent's offense over the course of the game as they're going to be on the field a lot more then they normally are. Especially early on Oregon gives up yards underneath and protects against the big play downfield. The opponents may be grinding out 1st downs, but they're also using up their energy. Oregon liberally substitutes in waves of defenders, so their players are relatively fresher as the game goes along. It's not by accident that they did so well in TO margin this year, thats what they do every year. As the game goes along, they get more aggressive and mix up their looks a lot more switching back and forth between the 3-4/4-3 and zone blitzing. The overall result is the football equivalent of rope a dope where the opponent swings their arms a lot but doesn't have much to show for it...& then Oregon goes for the knockout. See the FSU game for reference.

as others have alluded, it was Offensive failures (WR drops) that was the most glaring reason they lost the NCG. They didn't execute and hung the D out to dry. LBs again struggled in coverage and staying in their gaps. Still, it was an incredible season that was vastly different then the disaster you continually predicted and rooted for.

Okay, so to add to the long list of things you were dead wrong about I've responded with a novel. I'd suggest you finally sit down to the fermenting tray of Shit Sammies you've been ignoring and wash them down with a tall glass of STFU

STOMP
 
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MJA said:
Anyone know the list of official visits for this weekend?
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best guess I can relay is Gary Baker, Fotu Leiato, Iman Marshall & Tyrone Wheatley, but really who knows? Grab your popcorn

STOMP
 
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So assuming Vernon Adams does come here, do you think he'd start? I know he lit OSO and Washington up so that sounds promising. That doesn't look good though for the prospect of getting Murray since I heard he wanted to start day 1.
 
Considering we are not in Marshalls recent top 6, I doubt the visit will happen or change anything.
 
santeesioux said:
So assuming Vernon Adams does come here, do you think he'd start? I know he lit OSO and Washington up so that sounds promising. That doesn't look good though for the prospect of getting Murray since I heard he wanted to start day 1.
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I read rumors on 247 that his dad wants him to redshirt. Im Not getting my hopes up, but the one year stop gap while any of the QBs get seasoning and some game action for Mahalak if that's the case would be great.
 
santeesioux said:
So assuming Vernon Adams does come here, do you think he'd start? I know he lit OSO and Washington up so that sounds promising. That doesn't look good though for the prospect of getting Murray since I heard he wanted to start day 1.
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I think he does. He's proven and more athletic than our other QBs. Also, Murray's dad wants Kyler to redshirt from what I understand. He'd be our Russell Wilson and keep us in the playoff hunt

Also, more people are starting to think he may go the Longhorns. Better for him to go there than to TAMU.
 
Adams would be great since I'm not sure any of our other QB Lockie-Alie-Griffin-Mahalak-Waller would be ready to start in any consistent way.
 
Stomp,

Let me get this straight you're saying, a paid employee for 247 Justin Hopkins, who represents their site and name brand is slandering a 5 star athlete Canton Kaumatule by implying he couldn't get into Stanford academically? Putting not only himself and his company up for a liable suit but potentially his reputation and employment too, and you think his sources don't exist? Wow! Is that what your telling this board? Perhaps your implying it's Stanford that's leaking this "SOUR GRAPES", is that what your saying? I would think Stanford would be much more diplomatic than this, while having this kids brother on their team now! But your info is top notch right? :beatinto: You have nothing to lose by looking like an anonymous MOUTH every day here, however what your implying about 247 and their staff a site "YOU PAY FOR" is quite a judgment. That and the fact of you judging others seems so out of character! :lol:

As for Aliotti, think what you want, asked to retire with dignity , upset he didn't' get the head coaching job, or whatever, after two back to back Stanford losses and one to Arizona plus being pushed around by LSU and Auburn, the defense obviously needed a change. This change also mirrored the Oregon brand climbing into elite status over the last 4 years and where Aliotti's defense wasn't going. Now do I think Pellum was the smart hire for his replacement ? No! From recruiting to DEFENSIVE SCHEME to overall teaching, I think he was a convenient and known hire, not the right one. I think Ed Orgeron was the guy we should have gone after. He can recruit like a mad man most IMPORTANTLY and can teach a solid D. Two traits Oregon massively needs.

BTW- Sort of odd not to see Aiken cited for Baker or Cumberlander's recruiting being he's the D line coach, don't ya think?

Chinander in under a year has done more for recruiting than Aiken.

247 reports:

"Chinander, or "Chins" to the inner circle has been given credit for the commitments of Canton Kaumatule, Gary Baker, Fotu Leiato, Dylan Kane and Gus Cumberlander. You could make an argument for him to be rewarded with the commitments of Ugo Amadi, Rex Manu and Paris Bostick. Not only has Chinander helped recruit the linebackers and the state of Hawaii, he's been pivotal to helping sign one of Oregon's best defensive line classes ever."

Also timely Oregon is seriously considering going to a 4-3 on D! One that gives the power back to the D line! Hmmmmmm......... Something top DT's who didn't come to Oregon over the years felt was very important and lacking, you know being used correctly! This new D scheme will vastly aid our tragic recruiting with DT's and let us target a different type of LB. Both major positives for the Ducks!

I have never rooted against the DUCKS so knock that crap off! I'm realistic in saying if the D can't stop the run against elite teams they'll lose. If they lose to many games coaches will be replaced. This program is on a level where it's accountable yearly to the resources for success the Ducks have been given. Clearly even you can figure that out! I've also said that Marcus has made Duck fans unrealistic about how truly good or bad our D is by supplying them with big leads to watch our D just not lose the game rather than win it for us.

Now using OSU as an example, I didn't say the D lost that game, I said they were run over and tired without adequate D line substitutes to keep players like AA, Balducci and Buck fresh. Our D scheme was simply wrong and our LB's couldn't stop the inside run. This is clearly a recruiting and depth issue! Oregon hasn't recruited well on the D line for years, how hard is that to understand? We all know that Marcus had 30 % of his weapons to use for down the field speed and talent at the receivers. I'd also interject had we used our TE's way more often that OSU LB's wouldn't have been able to stack the box and come after Marcus the way they did. To this date I can't figure out why it's so hard for our coaches to use our talented TE's more often then they do?
 
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I'm not sure what's going on with Iman, it's seems odd to take a final week before recruiting ends visit to a school not in your top six! This either doesn't happen my guess, or Neal knows something he's not sharing.

If Merritt commits do we lose Lovette?
 
Quack U! said:
BTW- Sort of odd not to see Aiken cited for Baker or Cumberlander's recruiting being he's the D line coach, don't ya think?
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Not odd at all. Oregon for years, has had Coaches do recruit by regions, which at times wasnt the position coach.
 
Wheels said:
Not odd at all. Oregon for years, has had Coaches do recruit by regions, which at times wasnt the position coach.
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He's been informed of this fact repeatedly but forges on to believe what he wants to regardless. I don't know how many times I've told him I don't subscribe to 247 but thats another thing that just won't stick. With all the memory retention of a spaghetti colander, it's amazing he can find his computer to bless us with his repeated misconceptions each and every day

STOMP
 
You also informed us that Canton's grades were great for Stanford, Aliotti was going to retire the year Chip left even though there have been articles suggesting he was pissed he didn't get the head coaching job after Chip, and our defense doesn't have a scheme problem, they just can't tackle in space. You've blabbed on that Aiken was getting it done as a D line coach with his vast experience also as a recruiter, this while Chinander has been acknowledged for 90% of all Ron's recruits this year. Oh.... all of this while the Ducks are heavily considering going to a 4-3 because the two coaches Aiken and Pellum who are supposed to be doing all the recruiting in these positions to make a 3-4 work can't get it done! Pellum a LB coach for 20 years, no LB pipeline built, no top 150 LB's, Aiken a D line coach the same! Chinander, Pellum's replacement damn near recruited the whole D class this year along with Neal including Canton!

Keep talking MOUTH!

When Aiken is gone after next year, I'm sure you'll find some spin for that bunk too!
 
Same with Murray. He's sticking with TAMU.

Use that on someone we got a shot with. Tyrone Wheatley perhaps?
 
Zalsa said:
Same with Murray. He's sticking with TAMU.

Use that on someone we got a shot with. Tyrone Wheatley perhaps?
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I think we just putter out.

We'll probably land Merritt (though some risk, he's awful mum on the subject)
We will probably land Paulo
We may Flip Moi, but trying awful late I could see him do a Ragin and stick to his previous commitment.

Uluave will probably pick UCLA, but he is the next most likely get.

After that we get nuthing, Unless we have a super silent. No one so the Ugo commit so it is possible, but unlikely.
Certainly no big names, unless we get a miracle Green/Houston thing which I feel is not happening.

Win the rosebowl, make it to the championships. then we just putter out late in recruiting, can't even sell that they will be the talent that will tip us into winning our first championship.

Our class is average-good about what it is most years. Bubbling on the edge of top 15 but never reaching top 10. The distance factor sucks, but I know other teams have defeated it.
 
Daigotsu said:
I think we just putter out.

We'll probably land Merritt (though some risk, he's awful mum on the subject)
We will probably land Paulo
We may Flip Moi, but trying awful late I could see him do a Ragin and stick to his previous commitment.

Uluave will probably pick UCLA, but he is the next most likely get.

After that we get nuthing, Unless we have a super silent. No one so the Ugo commit so it is possible, but unlikely.
Certainly no big names, unless we get a miracle Green/Houston thing which I feel is not happening.

Win the rosebowl, make it to the championships. then we just putter out late in recruiting, can't even sell that they will be the talent that will tip us into winning our first championship.

Our class is average-good about what it is most years. Bubbling on the edge of top 15 but never reaching top 10. The distance factor sucks, but I know other teams have defeated it.
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A Class of Merritt, Paulo, Moi, and Uluave plus Vernon Adams is quite nice. If we do get a miracle commit, I think it will be Houston or Wheatley. Also, Helfrich has been a much better job in being more aggressive in Recruiting than Chip, who has been a bit lassiez-faire about it and snooty. As STOMP said, flights up here are more pricey than most. I see our class being around 10-15 range.

Other teams defeating distance? The teams that have won the championship all have had local talent to pick from or within 100 miles or within in-state. The Alabama schools. LSU. Florida State. And Ohio State easily. They don't need to beat distance. Oregon's talent pool next year is more deep IIRC.

One way it could help is if Phil and some rich donors get together and make some sort of football private school ala IMG Academy, Serra, and Eastern Christian. IF they can make an academy like that and recruit all of the best high school kids in Oregon, Northern Cal, Washington, it could prove beneficial down the line.
 
Daigotsu said:
Our class is average-good about what it is most years. Bubbling on the edge of top 15 but never reaching top 10. The distance factor sucks, but I know other teams have defeated it.
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yes they have reached a top 10 recruiting class

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all

the thing I note from that class is how many of the top rated talents quickly washed out. I like that they now prioritize character as it takes a lot more then High School accolades to succeed in D1 & life in general. Are you aware that in the upcoming Super Bowl, not a single player in either team's 2 deep was rated as a 5* coming out of HS? Most of each team's lineups are made up of former 3* prospects... hell, Russell Wilson was a 2* & Tom Brady was unrated

Also, I'd love it if you could provide us the long list of teams who regularly rank in the top 10 in recruiting that have similar distance issues as UO... I don't see it

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Excellent thought Zalsa!!! Oregon needs an Oak Hill Academy for sports and have NIKE sponsor it in Portland. A silent Oregon feeder school for the Ducks! Where I'm from in the south we have private schools that do this everywhere. USC has Junipero Serra, Oregon needs a school just like this!!

A Jesuit on MONSTER STEROIDS!!!!!
 
Couldnt be Phil Knight. For someone to run an academy like that, it would have to be a rich mo-fo who is ok not being a Booster for UO. Otherwise youre getting into violations of boosters funneling kids to a school.
 
Philip Morris sponsored our non smoking high school so there are ways to make it happen, its just the way the money goes through a non attention drawing intermediate.
 
Quack U! said:
"Chinander, or "Chins" to the inner circle has been given credit for the commitments of Canton Kaumatule, Gary Baker, Fotu Leiato, Dylan Kane and Gus Cumberlander.
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Leiato & Kane are being projected at LB and Cumberlander may start off there as a Drop End. It makes some sense that Chinander would be listed as their lead recruiter. But he didn't make the trip to Hawaii after the Pac 12 Championship to land Rex Manu and secure Canton who was wavering towards taking a trip to USC. And he wasn't on the in-home trip last Tuesday when the landed Gary Baker. Guess who was? Hint hint, it's the same guy who is listed as the lead recruiter for all the Down Lineman recruits.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Canton-Kaumatule-146735
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Gary-Baker-169339
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Rex-Manu-161625
https://rivals.yahoo.com/oregon/foo...berg-155951;_ylt=Aoy8VEUHGN4e_V.qUFHOCWYntZB4

the disconnect between your claims and what the commits are actually saying in rivals interviews about Pellum and Aiken is just more comedy

STOMP
 
Nebraska doing full court press on Paulo, muddying the waters on what had seemed like a strong duck lean.
 
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