2017 Offseason Plan: Dreams of PG13 Crushed, Draft Luck, Neil Reshuffles the Deck w/ Vets

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Mediocre Man said:
That's more than enough.
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So let me get this straight, you don't like Zach Collins because he's white?

What makes it even funnier is the best center in the league is also white.

Collins is athletic, has an all around game and isn't afraid of anybody. He should go in the top 10 honestly.
 
Scalma said:
Weren't you the same guy that was telling me how OG Anunoby would be an immediate upgrade over Aminu as a three point shooter? How'd OG shoot from downtown this year?

As for Leonard/Jefferson.....LOL.
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At the time Aminu was shooting 28% of so, and Anunoby will shoot better than that.

FWIW, Anunobys career 3pt% in college is better than Aminu's career high in the NBA.
 
Scalma said:
Also, Jefferson hasn't ever shot 47%, and his shots aren't "easy" in the deandre mold where it's just putbacks and lobs, but easy in that he can always create a look near the basket by himself.
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Okay, 48 and 49%. Still not getting you an ORTG of 100 on possessions he shoots the ball, and it's not like he makes up for it by getting to the line much more than once a game, where he's been a mediocre FT shooter. His OBPM last year was a -1.5. His DBPM was a -1.5 as well.

The looks he creates for himself has a negative affect on a team, unless that team is extremely inefficient from the field.
 
BonesJones said:
Okay, 48 and 49%. Still not getting you an ORTG of 100 on possessions he shoots the ball, and it's not like he makes up for it by getting to the line much more than once a game, where he's been a mediocre FT shooter. His OBPM last year was a -1.5. His DBPM was a -1.5 as well.

The looks he creates for himself has a negative affect on a team, unless that team is extremely inefficient from the field.
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I don't put too much stock in offensive rating, I view that as a team stat more than anything. Our second unit could use a low post scorer like Jefferson. Whatever though, I don't care enough about him to keep defending him, he was more or less just a toss in to match salaries.

Same with Ferguson. My main point was trying to package Harkless and the pick to move up. Who to move up for can be debated, I just think we'd be better off dealing Harkless if we acquired George. Use the surplus to improve elsewhere.
 
Scalma said:
I don't put too much stock in offensive rating, I view that as a team stat more than anything. Our second unit could use a low post scorer like Jefferson. Whatever though, I don't care enough about him to keep defending him, he was more or less just a toss in to match salaries.

Same with Ferguson. My main point was trying to package Harkless and the pick to move up. Who to move up for can be debated, I just think we'd be better off dealing Harkless if we acquired George. Use the surplus to improve elsewhere.
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That's a move that makes a lot of sense to me.
 
Scalma said:
I don't put too much stock in offensive rating, I view that as a team stat more than anything. Our second unit could use a low post scorer like Jefferson. Whatever though, I don't care enough about him to keep defending him, he was more or less just a toss in to match salaries.

Same with Ferguson. My main point was trying to package Harkless and the pick to move up. Who to move up for can be debated, I just think we'd be better off dealing Harkless if we acquired George. Use the surplus to improve elsewhere.
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I used ORTG as a tool to show how Jefferson is inefficient and doesnt help things offensively.

Turner and Harkless would be our only rotation worthy perimeter players off the bench. How is that a surplus?
 
BonesJones said:
I used ORTG as a tool to show how Jefferson is inefficient and doesnt help things offensively.

Turner and Harkless would be our only rotation worthy perimeter players off the bench. How is that a surplus?
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And Aminu. They're too repetitive, and they all have the same weakness. Our bench would be three non shooters, McCollum, and whoever the backup center is.

The upside of that unit is people would finally appreciate Allen Crabbe.
 
Scalma said:
And Aminu. They're too repetitive, and they all have the same weakness. Our bench would be three non shooters, McCollum, and whoever the backup center is.

The upside of that unit is people would finally appreciate Allen Crabbe.
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The Blazers bench.... "What we got is what we got!"
 
Scalma said:
And Aminu. They're too repetitive, and they all have the same weakness. Our bench would be three non shooters, McCollum, and whoever the backup center is.

The upside of that unit is people would finally appreciate Allen Crabbe.
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Or you trade Harkless to IND instead of Crabbe and don't take back Jefferson's bum ass lol.
 
1. trade meyers into oblivion
2. im fine with whatever else as long as 1. is done.
 
I don't get the thread title, did I miss some PG news?
 
I don't think exchanging picks for proven average players will do us any good. Either go for a game changer like Paul George or just select some decent talent with all those picks. I would also be all for swapping average players like Aminu and Davis for second rounders to cut some salary and maybe get someone whose ceiling is a little higher (neither of them will improve much from here).

What's Thad Young going to provide us with? He is better than our power forwards but still average. We might win 50 games with mildly better vets in place of Vonleh, Aminu etc. but still fall short in the playoffs. Pointless.
 
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BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Here's a question, if George was willing to extend his contract in Portland would you offer Crabbe, Hark, Meyers, 15, 20, 26, and a future 1st for George, Monta, and Al?
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In a heartbeat.

AL >>> Meyers (plus 1 less year on the contract)
Monta = Crabbe (Crabbe is a better shooter, but Monta has a shorter / better contract. If Monta has a good year, he's likely to opt out of the second year)
George > picks + Harkless (known commodity is better than unknown picks)
 
Scalma said:
So let me get this straight, you don't like Zach Collins because he's white?

What makes it even funnier is the best center in the league is also white.

Collins is athletic, has an all around game and isn't afraid of anybody. He should go in the top 10 honestly.
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No. He's also American
 
Sarni said:
I don't think exchanging picks for proven average players will do us any good. Either go for a game changer like Paul George or just select some decent talent with all those picks. I would also be all for swapping average players like Aminu and Davis for second rounders to cut some salary and maybe get someone whose ceiling is a little higher (neither of them will improve much from here).

What's Thad Young going to provide us with? He is better than our power forwards but still average. We might win 50 games with mildly better vets in place of Vonleh, Aminu etc. but still fall short in the playoffs. Pointless.
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Id trade 20 and 26 if w could land Young and Crowder while giving up Meyers. We could contend for WCF appearances with that group.

I like the idea of using the picks to improve our team and our call situation. Ex: Meyers+26 for Kyle O'Quinn, Crabbe/Turner+20 for Young and Miles, etc.
 
BonesJones said:
Id trade 20 and 26 if w could land Young and Crowder while giving up Meyers. We could contend for WCF appearances with that group.

I like the idea of using the picks to improve our team and our call situation. Ex: Meyers+26 for Kyle O'Quinn, Crabbe/Turner+20 for Young and Miles, etc.
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I like Crowder a lot. I would easily part with one of our picks to get him here. He's also the right age, has a great contract and I feel he can still get better. He is the sort of player that would IMO not look out of place playing 30 minutes a night for a contender.

I am not a fan of getting average players like Young. I feel that a move like this will not get us any closer to competing and parting with young talent will hurt us long term. If we can get top tier talent like George for multiple picks, or a proven good young players like Crowder for one pick, then yeah, it makes sense. Flipping potentially good players who might develop into something useful for us in 2/3 seasons for someone who has always been and will always be average makes no sense.
 
Sarni said:
I like Crowder a lot. I would easily part with one of our picks to get him here. He's also the right age, has a great contract and I feel he can still get better. He is the sort of player that would IMO not look out of place playing 30 minutes a night for a contender.

I am not a fan of getting average players like Young. I feel that a move like this will not get us any closer to competing and parting with young talent will hurt us long term. If we can get top tier talent like George for multiple picks, or a proven good young players like Crowder for one pick, then yeah, it makes sense. Flipping potentially good players who might develop into something useful for us in 2/3 seasons for someone who has always been and will always be average makes no sense.
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Young isn't average. He's a pretty good defender, who averaged 11ppg on 53% FGs and 38% 3pts. He'd be a perfect upgrade to Aminu.
 
BonesJones said:
Young isn't average. He's a pretty good defender, who averaged 11ppg on 53% FGs and 38% 3pts. He'd be a perfect upgrade to Aminu.
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He's average. He's not the sort of player who could play for a contender. If we accept we don't want to compete for championships and are fine with consistently getting 6th - 8th seed and getting knocked out in playoffs second round, it's be a great move to target this sort of players though.
 
Sarni said:
He's average. He's not the sort of player who could play for a contender. If we accept we don't want to compete for championships and are fine with consistently getting 6th - 8th seed and getting knocked out in playoffs second round, it's be a great move to target this sort of players though.
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Crowder and Young are quite similar statistically and in terms of their impact on the game. It's interesting that you classify one as "a good young player" and the other as "average". What appreciable difference between the two do you see?

http://bkref.com/tiny/tusqm
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Crowder and Young are quite similar statistically and in terms of their impact on the game. It's interesting that you classify one as "a good young player" and the other as "average". What appreciable difference between the two do you see?

http://bkref.com/tiny/tusqm
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I think Crowder is a better defenders, he's also 2 years younger and has a much more favorable contract. There's something about Young that I just don't like.
 
Young is not an upgrade over Aminu unless defense stops being a thing in basketball.
 
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