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With Jared Cook player tomorrow, I'm setting a 5PM Vote Deadline on this trade (much like the 9:45PM Sunday Vote Deadline I've talked about in previous weeks). 4 votes to allow, 4 votes to veto, unless it's close. Trade will go through unless theres legitimate fairness concern (needs to be voiced in here within the next day).
 
trailblazer18 said:
Big trade, @BonesJones and @TorturedBlazerFan wheeling and dealing. I don't know if either of you two have any players you actually drafted...haha
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I think Bones and I are both in the hate losing more than we like winning category, I think our records being what they are has made us to do a lot of moves we might not have done if a few things went our way.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think Bones and I are both in the hate losing more than we like winning category, I think our records being what they are has made us to do a lot of moves we might not have done if a few things went our way.
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I've also been oberadjusting to BYE weeks knowing I can't really afford more losses.
 
BonesJones said:
With Jared Cook player tomorrow, I'm setting a 5PM Vote Deadline on this trade (much like the 9:45PM Sunday Vote Deadline I've talked about in previous weeks). 4 votes to allow, 4 votes to veto, unless it's close. Trade will go through unless theres legitimate fairness concern (needs to be voiced in here within the next day).
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Well I of course object once again (Rinse and Repeat right?), not that it matters.

Original rule: 48 hours for trades.
Amended rule: If no veto after 24 hours, trade will go through.

This trade was made at 9:07 so it's not like it's only a few minutes away from 5:00. My opinion is always that the official rules should be abided by. I'm also not insinuating any wrongdoing in any of your transactions (I really don't think you're being shady) but all the questionable trade push through things have involved the commissioner himself making that decision on one of his own trades.

I realize from past comments (though I'm not sure how many people in our league actually read this thread) that I am the only one who seems to care about it so I will stand down and go along with the rest of the league.
 
hoopsjock said:
Well I of course object once again (Rinse and Repeat right?), not that it matters.

Original rule: 48 hours for trades.
Amended rule: If no veto after 24 hours, trade will go through.

This trade was made at 9:07 so it's not like it's only a few minutes away from 5:00. My opinion is always that the official rules should be abided by. I'm also not insinuating any wrongdoing in any of your transactions (I really don't think you're being shady) but all the questionable trade push through things have involved the commissioner himself making that decision on one of his own trades.

I realize from past comments (though I'm not sure how many people in our league actually read this thread) that I am the only one who seems to care about it so I will stand down and go along with the rest of the league.
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I kind of see it both ways. I understand where you’re coming from, I really do.

I think he’s been forthcoming about all of it. I think he’d do it for anyone if they asked.

In this particular case, it was kind of my fault, I dragged my feet waiting on the waiver wire, then worked all day so it gone done late.

For me its not so much that I dont care, I do care, I just think theres some real bad timing issues with the rules. There is a monday night game, waivers go through wednesday morning, so even with the 24 hour rule, trades involving thursday night games have like a 8 hour period to get done, its hard to do that.

Im all for sticking to the rules, I definitely dont want it to appear like things arent above board, just seems like a tough one.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I kind of see it both ways. I understand where you’re coming from, I really do.

I think he’s been forthcoming about all of it. I think he’d do it for anyone if they asked.

In this particular case, it was kind of my fault, I dragged my feet waiting on the waiver wire, then worked all day so it gone done late.

For me its not so much that I dont care, I do care, I just think theres some real bad timing issues with the rules. There is a monday night game, waivers go through wednesday morning, so even with the 24 hour rule, trades involving thursday night games have like a 8 hour period to get done, its hard to do that.

Im all for sticking to the rules, I definitely dont want it to appear like things arent above board, just seems like a tough one.
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I agree that Bones would do the same for anyone else and that the timing of trades makes it very difficult. I just don't like the rules being worked around. I'm used to the rules being strictly enforced so the integrity of the league is always 100% on point (once again I'm not questioning motives here in this case), no exceptions. A guy in the trade plays Thursday? Tough shit, that doesn't mean that the trade gets to go through in 20 hours when the rule is 48 (or whatever the fuck it is). One of my leagues any issue goes to a vote of every one of the 12 participants. Most rule changes are nominated and voted on at the draft. The other ones the rules are set and there is no way to change them once the season starts and the commissioner can't even override the rules if they want to.

This situation is exactly why I think the rules should always be followed. The commissioner is involved in the trade and most likely wants to play one of the players in the deal Thursday night. His main TE is on bye so the guy in question is probably worthless to him after this week anyway. Instead of the original 48 hour rule or the amended 24 hour with no vetoes rule, he has now made a 20 hour rule in which the full 4 vetoes need to be made or the trade will go through. I want to reiterate that I really am not saying there is wrongdoing here, there isn't, but where is the line?
 
hoopsjock said:
I agree that Bones would do the same for anyone else and that the timing of trades makes it very difficult. I just don't like the rules being worked around. I'm used to the rules being strictly enforced so the integrity of the league is always 100% on point (once again I'm not questioning motives here in this case), no exceptions. A guy in the trade plays Thursday? Tough shit, that doesn't mean that the trade gets to go through in 20 hours when the rule is 48 (or whatever the fuck it is). One of my leagues any issue goes to a vote of every one of the 12 participants. Most rule changes are nominated and voted on at the draft. The other ones the rules are set and there is no way to change them once the season starts and the commissioner can't even override the rules if they want to.

This situation is exactly why I think the rules should always be followed. The commissioner is involved in the trade and most likely wants to play one of the players in the deal Thursday night. His main TE is on bye so the guy in question is probably worthless to him after this week anyway. Instead of the original 48 hour rule or the amended 24 hour with no vetoes rule, he has now made a 20 hour rule in which the full 4 vetoes need to be made or the trade will go through. I want to reiterate that I really am not saying there is wrongdoing here, there isn't, but where is the line?
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Fine I'll veto this shit and take Cook out of it. My goodness. So annoying...
 
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Next year, there will be no veto system, trades will automatically go through. It's designed to prevent collusion, but some people want to abuse the spirit of the rule and strong arm the commissioner into not having any more discretion even on trades that are in OBVIOUS fairness. I would do the same for y'all. So whatever. I hope Austin Hooper drops 40 points on your ass.
 
BonesJones said:
Fine I'll fucking veto this shit and take Cook out of it. My goodness. So annoying..
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Honestly Bones, why are you annoyed? This type of behavior actually makes it look shady when it wasn't before.

I'm just stating my opinion. I've been consistent with it all along. Every time you make a trade you come up with some new twist.

I even specifically said that I would stand down after stating my opinion, why are you being a jerk about it?
 
hoopsjock said:
Honestly Bones, why are you annoyed? This type of behavior actually makes it look shady when it wasn't before.

I'm just stating my opinion. I've been consistent with it all along. Every time you make a trade you come up with some new twist.

I even specifically said that I would stand down after stating my opinion, why are you being a jerk about it?
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Because you've caused so much drama over obviously fair trades. You're acting like a guy whos never sped. Like a guy whos always made sure to find a crosswalk. You just posted a 1,000 word rant... do you really not get it?

Next year, there will be no veto rule. I dont think people would collude anyway, and if they do, it's not my fault...
 
BonesJones said:
You're annoyed by me being annoyed with you?
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You're turning my opinion on the rules of a fantasy league into some kind of weird personal attack on my character. Fuck that. I gave my opinion. I tried very hard to not make it personal at all and I think I made it crystal clear that it has nothing to do with your commissioner power.

You are completely out of line. Just because you have some obsession with holding some sort of imaginary power over the league it doesn't give you the right to talk to me this way. A good commissioner would at least listen and try to understand other people's perspectives. I even said the rest of the league doesn't seem to care so I'll stand down and you still came at me.

I'm not asking you to change anything because of me. It's totally up to you whether or not you want to give all the power of the league or if you want to allow people to have input like voting on trades. The whole point of a voting process is so that everyone has a say whether they think a trade is fair or not, especially one involving the commissioner. Go ahead, take that away from everyone.
 
hoopsjock said:
You're turning my opinion on the rules of a fantasy league into some kind of weird personal attack on my character. Fuck that. I gave my opinion. I tried very hard to not make it personal at all and I think I made it crystal clear that it has nothing to do with your commissioner power.

You are completely out of line. Just because you have some obsession with holding some sort of imaginary power over the league it doesn't give you the right to talk to me this way. A good commissioner would at least listen and try to understand other people's perspectives. I even said the rest of the league doesn't seem to care so I'll stand down and you still came at me.

I'm not asking you to change anything because of me. It's totally up to you whether or not you want to give all the power of the league or if you want to allow people to have input like voting on trades. The whole point of a voting process is so that everyone has a say whether they think a trade is fair or not, especially one involving the commissioner. Go ahead, take that away from everyone.
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LMAO. Wow. Really? Attacking your character? Ok attacking your actions. This thread only so get of here with that victim card BS.

I'm out of line? Because I'm annoyed with you? Hah! Also, I have the right to talk to you how I want to regardless of this league or not. So if you're being constantly annoying and if you're going to constantly rant and cause issues for no reason outside of satisfying your own affinity for strict rules, then yes, I'm gonna get annoyed with you, and I'm not someone who holds back.

Take that away from everyone?! Pathetic attempt to portray as me being against everyone and you being on their side. Why is it pathetic? Because you're the only one with an issue! The rule is to prevent from collusion. People can have their say, but I also have discretion. That's how it's been, and there's never been an issue. With the trades this year, there wouldn't have been an issue either, except for you bro!

You wanna talk about me being annoyed with you as being out of line, while creating false claims that I'm attacking your character, and then try to construe shit in a way that it's everyone against me when you're the one creating all the BS.

The whole point of voting is to keep the league fair and balanced. Nothing I've ever done has gone against that, nothing I've suggested is contradicts that, and you KNOW THAT.
 
hoopsjock said:
I agree that Bones would do the same for anyone else and that the timing of trades makes it very difficult. I just don't like the rules being worked around. I'm used to the rules being strictly enforced so the integrity of the league is always 100% on point (once again I'm not questioning motives here in this case), no exceptions. A guy in the trade plays Thursday? Tough shit, that doesn't mean that the trade gets to go through in 20 hours when the rule is 48 (or whatever the fuck it is). One of my leagues any issue goes to a vote of every one of the 12 participants. Most rule changes are nominated and voted on at the draft. The other ones the rules are set and there is no way to change them once the season starts and the commissioner can't even override the rules if they want to.

This situation is exactly why I think the rules should always be followed. The commissioner is involved in the trade and most likely wants to play one of the players in the deal Thursday night. His main TE is on bye so the guy in question is probably worthless to him after this week anyway. Instead of the original 48 hour rule or the amended 24 hour with no vetoes rule, he has now made a 20 hour rule in which the full 4 vetoes need to be made or the trade will go through. I want to reiterate that I really am not saying there is wrongdoing here, there isn't, but where is the line?
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I understand the objection.
I see the logic that you’re using, why have the rules if every situation we’ll amend the rules to get it done. It does create a situation where the rules feel very arbitrary.
The other side of that is having someone who can circumvent the rules because they believe the situation calls for it is pretty standard isnt it? We get a speeding ticket and a judge can decide not to punish us.
Now I realize the awkward part of this situation is the one with that veto power is also a player in the league. So its more akin to if Stotts could overturn an officials call he didnt like (I like this idea lol).

I get where you’re coming from. Next year assuming we play together we should all agree to whatever set of rules and just stick to it.

It looks like this trade was amended.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I understand the objection.
I see the logic that you’re using, why have the rules if every situation we’ll amend the rules to get it done. It does create a situation where the rules feel very arbitrary.
The other side of that is having someone who can circumvent the rules because they believe the situation calls for it is pretty standard isnt it? We get a speeding ticket and a judge can decide not to punish us.
Now I realize the awkward part of this situation is the one with that veto power is also a player in the league. So its more akin to if Stotts could overturn an officials call he didnt like (I like this idea lol).

I get where you’re coming from. Next year assuming we play together we should all agree to whatever set of rules and just stick to it.

It looks like this trade was amended.
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Ok, just read all of the back and forth on this issue. I am one that likes to stick to rules, but I understand the adjusting of the rules if a majority of the league doesn't object. It does get murky with the commissioner being involved in the trade himself. I'd rather find solutions than have people upset with each other. What about having a Co-commissioner (or current treasurer @PtldPlatypus ) next year and their only responsibility is to step in a "arbitrate" trade timelines when the commissioner is involved in the trade? It might be a crap idea, but I would rather see solutions than league members genuinely upset with each other.
 
The trade is much more fair now that Cook isnt involved.

Bones - I said it before and I'll say it again. You need to relax. You get so fired up over nothing.
 
trailblazer18 said:
Ok, just read all of the back and forth on this issue. I am one that likes to stick to rules, but I understand the adjusting of the rules if a majority of the league doesn't object. It does get murky with the commissioner being involved in the trade himself. I'd rather find solutions than have people upset with each other. What about having a Co-commissioner (or current treasurer @PtldPlatypus ) next year and their only responsibility is to step in a "arbitrate" trade timelines when the commissioner is involved in the trade? It might be a crap idea, but I would rather see solutions than league members genuinely upset with each other.
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Yeah, I dislike that I've played a part in starting stuff on here because of trades I initiated. I think there are solutions such as having an arbitrator.
I think we should all give a big thank you to Bones for organizing the league and the Draft. I appreciate the work he's put in, and that shouldn't get lost here.
I think in terms of solutions we should put our brains together and come up with something next year that we stick to.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I understand the objection.
I see the logic that you’re using, why have the rules if every situation we’ll amend the rules to get it done. It does create a situation where the rules feel very arbitrary.
The other side of that is having someone who can circumvent the rules because they believe the situation calls for it is pretty standard isnt it? We get a speeding ticket and a judge can decide not to punish us.
Now I realize the awkward part of this situation is the one with that veto power is also a player in the league. So its more akin to if Stotts could overturn an officials call he didnt like (I like this idea lol).

I get where you’re coming from. Next year assuming we play together we should all agree to whatever set of rules and just stick to it.

It looks like this trade was amended.
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The speeding analogy is a bad one and you answered why. A judge wouldn't be allowed to preside over his own case. Besides the trade itself isn't against the rules.

How would you feel if Adam Silver allowed the Rockets to trade 1st round picks in multiple years for Jimmy Butler because he thought the trade was fair so he used it to justify the rules being circumvented? How about now that the trade deadline is passed if Roger Goodell still allowed a trade because he thought it wasn't collusion or because someone like Aaron Rodgers got hurt and they really needed a QB?
 
hoopsjock said:
The speeding analogy is a bad one and you answered why. A judge wouldn't be allowed to preside over his own case. Besides the trade itself isn't against the rules.

How would you feel if Adam Silver allowed the Rockets to trade 1st round picks in multiple years for Jimmy Butler because he thought the trade was fair so he used it to justify the rules being circumvented? How about now that the trade deadline is passed if Roger Goodell still allowed a trade because he thought it wasn't collusion or because someone like Aaron Rodgers got hurt and they really needed a QB?
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Well I answered those questions, with the Stotts analogy. So yeah I get it. I also said I think going into next year we should pick rules and stick to them. I guess it's not too late to do that now, but at the same time it would be yet another change of rules mid-season, which is the problem isn't it?
 
Perez - Sent you a trade offer. TY Hilton and K.Drake for Wentz.
I need a better QB.
 
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