Event 2018 NBA Finals, Warriors vs Cavaliers.

[handiman]

Yeah they used it against Wilt for many years when he game up short against the loaded Boston teams. So I guess some media personalities will try to stir things up against LBJ too. But no one with any common sense will buy it.

I strongly disagree. It may have eventually happened anyway, but LeBron is most directly responsible for the ruining of the modern NBA with players forming super teams (and the "head jerk" foul baiting that he fortunately outgrew). He doesn't win any of his titles without joining forces with Wade/Bosh and then with Irving/Love -- and even the latter doesn't happen without D-Groin handing them the series -- so if you can't hold losses to super teams against him, then you can't give him credit for his super team wins.

I do like the guy and his game, but LeBron is reaping what he sowed, and that is his legacy.

 

[dviss1]

No one is arguing that....nor was that the point of the post. Merely that there were 2 different calls. Reality 101....lol.

No it's not reality 101. As a referee, you should know there's no way brothers could have a good look at that play.

 

[TBpup]

No it's not reality 101. As a referee, you should know there's no way brothers could have a good look at that play.

Again, I wasn't saying anything about who should make the call....but simply that two calls were made. That is the reality portion...as stated at the beginning.

So what should or should not have happened had nothing to do with the reality of what actually DID happen. No one was disputing what should have happened.

 

[Lanny]

I can't read Javie's mind. But I can read the NBA rules which state that the defensive player must be in position at the time shooting motion begins. Further, the rules state that for a driving player, shooting motion begins at gather. I can see with my eyes that Lebron was not remotely in position at the time Durant gathered the ball, nor at the time he began raising the ball up, nor at the time the ball was at KD's chest level. He was not even in position the moment Durant was about to release the ball.

The fact that people disagree about a sports call does not prove it's a close call. People are biased when it comes to sports. Millions of people think the earth is flat. But that's not a close call. They go to Javie quickly after the play occurred. I doubt he had a chance to see all the angles in slow motion. Also, in my experience, Javie tends to agree with the call on the floor - like he does not want to make the NBA look bad.



But he was not in position at the time shooting motion began as the images I posted show.

We all know the rules on this but certainly some of us disagree. I don't see how anyone could say it was an easy blocking call. Sorry but I'm gonna stick with my view that it was a charge.

 

[Lanny]

I'm not really rooting for either team. That said, I'd rather Bron win another trophy for Cleveland than see the Warriors win.

It was a close call for me but I finally chose the Warriors over the Cavs. But now, in retrospect, I'm really enthralled with the play of LeBron and so, even though I don't think they stand a chance, I'm gonna go with Cleveland as my preferred choice.

 

[Lanny]

However, he knew the score, else, why would he take that desperation shot at the end of the game?

 

[Lanny]

So watching some highlights this morning, I really wish there was a penalty for complaining. Every FUCKING call, someone is pleading, whining, crying, etc to the ref.

It's the nature of competitive sports. Actually, it's the nature of competitive anything.

 

[TBpup]

However, he knew the score, else, why would he take that desperation shot at the end of the game?

He didn't take the desperation shot. Enough people yelled at him that he finally through it into the corner for some teammate to throw up a prayer as time ran out.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I strongly disagree. It may have eventually happened anyway, but LeBron is most directly responsible for the ruining of the modern NBA with players forming super teams (and the "head jerk" foul baiting that he fortunately outgrew). He doesn't win any of his titles without joining forces with Wade/Bosh and then with Irving/Love -- and even the latter doesn't happen without D-Groin handing them the series -- so if you can't hold losses to super teams against him, then you can't give him credit for his super team wins.

I do like the guy and his game, but LeBron is reaping what he sowed, and that is his legacy.

The thing is I don't really base one's legacy on how many championships they won or did not win. Not Robert Horry with his 7 or Karl Malone with his zero. I don't give credit for LBJ's rings in Miami nor do I discredit them because he had 2 good players around him when he did. Common sense tells me that he is one of the best all around players in the history of the game. Period.

The perceived value of how many rings a player has won, has been fueled by the media over the years. I don't buy into it.

 

[dviss1]

Again, I wasn't saying anything about who should make the call....but simply that two calls were made. That is the reality portion...as stated at the beginning.

So what should or should not have happened had nothing to do with the reality of what actually DID happen. No one was disputing what should have happened.

Not you should, Tony Brothers should.

 

[dviss1]

So watching some highlights this morning, I really wish there was a penalty for complaining. Every FUCKING call, someone is pleading, whining, crying, etc to the ref.

You used to be able to issue a tech for excessive complaining.

Not sure where that went.

 

[Lanny]

He didn't take the desperation shot. Enough people yelled at him that he finally through it into the corner for some teammate to throw up a prayer as time ran out.

Say what you want but when asked about whether he knew the score, he said that he did. Also, the throw was to a man who had a better chance than him at attempting a shot. Why didn't he just hang on to it, get fouled, make the free throws and put the game out of reach like every other player would do if they thought their team was ahead?

 

[Lanny]

You used to be able to issue a tech for excessive complaining.

Not sure where that went.

I stll see it done. It happened to LBJ last night.

 

[handiman]

The thing is I don't really base one's legacy on how many championships they won or did not win. Not Robert Horry with his 7 or Karl Malone with his zero. I don't give credit for LBJ's rings in Miami nor do I discredit them because he had 2 good players around him when he did. Common sense tells me that he is one of the best all around players in the history of the game. Period.

The perceived value of how many rings a player has won, has been fueled by the media over the years. I don't buy into it.

I mean, if that's your criteria, then I can't really argue with the outcome. But at the same time, you have to realize your view is in the minority on the importance of championships, so it doesn't make sense to be dismissive of the media for painting the usual portrait.

Robert Horry keeps being brought up by various people, but seriously, that name should not be thrown around without a major asterisk attached. GOAT discussions are about leaders, not deep-in-the-pecking-order role players. Karl Malone is a much better addition to the discussion. By your "championships don't matter" criteria, he should be very near the top of the GOAT discussion. Do you honestly believe he belongs there, or is he more in the #5-15 range that most would place him at with his lack of hardware? Because if you don't put him in the top-3, your criteria is being inconsistently applied.

 

[THE HCP]

I mean, if that's your criteria, then I can't really argue with the outcome. But at the same time, you have to realize your view is in the minority on the importance of championships, so it doesn't make sense to be dismissive of the media for painting the usual portrait.

Robert Horry keeps being brought up by various people, but seriously, that name should not be thrown around without a major asterisk attached. GOAT discussions are about leaders, not deep-in-the-pecking-order role players. Karl Malone is a much better addition to the discussion. By your "championships don't matter" criteria, he should be very near the top of the GOAT discussion. Do you honestly believe he belongs there, or is he more in the #5-15 range that most would place him at with his lack of hardware? Because if you don't put him in the top-3, your criteria is being inconsistently applied.

Bro, you need to slow down bringing these FIRE EMOJI takes so early in the offseason...... spread that shit out FAMS or you are going to be posting like Sly by the middle of September!

 

[TBpup]

Say what you want but when asked about whether he knew the score, he said that he did. Also, the throw was to a man who had a better chance than him at attempting a shot. Why didn't he just hang on to it, get fouled, make the free throws and put the game out of reach like every other player would do if they thought their team was ahead?

Except he admitted his mistake of not knowing.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/ameri...r/news-story/bc04047ed32cbe0815650cc384c9c3d3

 

[Dom McBlazer]

Brother, they never HAD this series. I’m rooting for ‘Bron to lead them to a win, but I know it isn’t going to happen. Sadly, some will use this loss as a negative against him and his legacy. I believe a player on the losing team should be eligible for series MVP, always should. Not his fault they are going to lose.

I personally feel that the Cavs will come out swinging and win game 3 especially since the Warriors has had a tendency to play nonchalantly in their first game at CLE in the Finals. Game 4 is a different story.

 

[BonesJones]

I personally feel that the Cavs will come out swinging and win game 3 especially since the Warriors has had a tendency to play nonchalantly in their first game at CLE in the Finals. Game 4 is a different story.

I have a feeling I won't watch either.

 

[handiman]

Bro, you need to slow down bringing these FIRE EMOJI takes so early in the offseason...... spread that shit out FAMS or you are going to be posting like Sly by the middle of September!

Hey man, every dog has his day...some are in June, some are in September!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I have a feeling I won't watch either.

I don’t mean to make this personal, or to argue with you, I absolutely understand that GS looks unbeatable, that people are tired of GS and Cleveland, I get there are a plethora of reasons why even a basketball fan would say nope this isn’t for me.
I guess I just don’t understand how many times people have come into this thread just to remind people they aren’t going to watch, it’s on topic at least.
Is it just frustration at the NBA and these two teams that fans really want to let it be known they aren’t happy?
Anyways, I know it’s not just you, it just seems like this whole, “Im not going to watch”, “it’s boring”, etc. Keeps coming up...

 

[BonesJones]

I don’t mean to make this personal, or to argue with you, I absolutely understand that GS looks unbeatable, that people are tired of GS and Cleveland, I get there are a plethora of reasons why even a basketball fan would say nope this isn’t for me.
I guess I just don’t understand how many times people have come into this thread just to remind people they aren’t going to watch, it’s on topic at least.
Is it just frustration at the NBA and these two teams that fans really want to let it be known they aren’t happy?
Anyways, I know it’s not just you, it just seems like this whole, “Im not going to watch”, “it’s boring”, etc. Keeps coming up...

I don't understand why fans of a small market team buys-in to the Finals, which are a reflection of the very system that doesn't give small markets a chance. I don't understand why people dont have an issue with the lack of parity, and the most meaningful basketball being predictable from the start of training camp.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I don't understand why fans of a small market team buys-in to the Finals, which are a reflection of the very system that doesn't give small markets a chance. I don't understand why people dont have an issue with the lack of parity, and the most meaningful basketball being predictable from the start of training camp.

I don’t see it as small markets don’t have a chance. They just have to be smart or get Lucky Cleveland is getting smaller but they have Lebron. LAL, NYK, Brooklyn, Chicago are all bad who knows when they’ll be good again. The problem is really about how star driven basketball is, you either have the stars or you don’t, and sure stars may more likely go to certain places and lately there has definitely been a tendency for them to group up in forced trades or FA.
I do hate many things about the NBA, the officiating drives me crazy, the fact going into the year you almost always know who is good and who is bad, it at times feels like they’re playing for exercise. So I get it, I really do, my dad is the one who spurred my love of basketball and I can't even get him to go to or watch a game anymore. He scoreboard watches and turns on the Blazer playoff games, and that's it.
The flip side to me is, Lebron like him or hate him is one of the best ever to play basketball it's fun to watch great players play, GS like or hate them are a great basketball team and I also enjoy watching them, though I absolutely get that when KD left OKC to join a 73 win basketball team it feels like it broke the NBA. So I understand what you're saying.

 

[Lanny]

Except he admitted his mistake of not knowing.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/ameri...r/news-story/bc04047ed32cbe0815650cc384c9c3d3

I heard him say he knew the score.

 

[Lanny]

I have a feeling I won't watch either.

I love basketball and will be glued to the tube for each and every game.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I mean, if that's your criteria, then I can't really argue with the outcome. But at the same time, you have to realize your view is in the minority on the importance of championships, so it doesn't make sense to be dismissive of the media for painting the usual portrait.

Robert Horry keeps being brought up by various people, but seriously, that name should not be thrown around without a major asterisk attached. GOAT discussions are about leaders, not deep-in-the-pecking-order role players. Karl Malone is a much better addition to the discussion. By your "championships don't matter" criteria, he should be very near the top of the GOAT discussion. Do you honestly believe he belongs there, or is he more in the #5-15 range that most would place him at with his lack of hardware? Because if you don't put him in the top-3, your criteria is being inconsistently applied.

I was not talking about GOAT at that point, I was talking about legacy. Wilt would be a better example if I was. I am sure he would have won as many titles as Russel if he was on the Celtics. Either way it is debatable.

It might not make sense to be dismissive of the media, but your previous comment about blaming LBJ ("but LeBron is most directly responsible for the ruining of the modern NBA with players forming super teams") probably would not of happened if not for the media constantly stating that his legacy hinged on winning like Kobe or MJ. If someone needs to be blamed....I would start there, not LeBron.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Well, if there's ever a time to give a guy "a chance", it's definitely game 3 of the finals...

 

[handiman]

It might not make sense to be dismissive of the media, but your previous comment about blaming LBJ ("but LeBron is most directly responsible for the ruining of the modern NBA with players forming super teams") probably would not of happened if not for the media constantly stating that his legacy hinged on winning like Kobe or MJ. If someone needs to be blamed....I would start there, not LeBron.

I don't recall the media pushing him out of Cleveland. At that point, it felt like it was all about LeBron seeking the limelight and a stronger supporting cast. Remember the jokes back then about him not playing well in the 4th quarter..."LeBron and 50 Cent are forming a group. They're calling it $1.25!" He needed a closer like Wade. It's weird to think back, now that LeBron is a virtually unstoppable force throughout games. Other than his anti-Kobe lack of killer instinct, there wasn't much to be critical of him for.

When he returned to Cleveland, the ultra slick PR spin he put on it was Miami was his 4 years to go away to college and grow, having never experienced that "away from home" opportunity. No media angle there.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well, if there's ever a time to give a guy "a chance", it's definitely game 3 of the finals...

When your championship hopes are riding on Rodney Hood, you know you're desperate.

The only thing that sucks worse than Rodney Hood in the playoffs last year is Rodney Hood in the playoffs this year.

Yes coach, please give us more of the guy who is 3-20 from 3-point range in the playoffs. That's EXACTLY what you need. Hey, law of averages right. He's due!

BNM

 

[KingSpeed]

When your championship hopes are riding on Rodney Hood, you know you're desperate.

The only thing that sucks worse than Rodney Hood in the playoffs last year is Rodney Hood in the playoffs this year.

Yes coach, please give us more of the guy who is 3-20 from 3-point range in the playoffs. That's EXACTLY what you need. Hey, law of averages right. He's due!

BNM

I think it's a good move. No one's making shots. Give him a chance.

 

[Chris Craig]

I personally feel that the Cavs will come out swinging and win game 3 especially since the Warriors has had a tendency to play nonchalantly in their first game at CLE in the Finals. Game 4 is a different story.

Warriors want to win the trophy at home