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PtldPlatypus said:
but it is disingenuous to claim that those who do play realize no benefit from it.
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Which is why I called it a.

dviss1 said:
minimization of risk
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And here's the thing, people are gonna get their feathers ruffled when college athletes start flexing their muscles and creating their own situations.

Mainly Old, white, good ol boys who have been exploiting black athletes in the guise of paying for school.

Again, it's modern day slavery and exploitation and how can one blame another for not wanting to be a part of that and controlling their own destiny??

Fuck those exploiters!
 
I like college for learning, but if you have a potential NBA body, is it better to spend 30% of your day practicing, playing college ball and maybe getting hurt, with 70% on studying for classes you will never use; or 100% of your day getting stronger, quicker with less chance of injury. And playing against a bunch of much bigger older guys in the G-league seems like an even better way to get hurt.
 
dviss1 said:
Link? I've never heard that.
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That's probably an awkward way to say it, but I'll try to clarify it. Here's a list of RP's guys.
https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Rich-Paul/258
Maybe to say they all have "chemistry" issues is taking it to far but he certainly has interesting clients. I'm not saying anything is "bad" or "wrong" with any of these guys just that I think they'd be considered a challenge to deal with.
Draymond Green, AD, JR Smith, the Morris Brothers, John Wall.
 
Only 24 FBS schools generated more revenue than they spent in 2014, according to the NCAA Revenues and Expenses of Division I Intercollegiate Athletics Programs Report. That figure jumped from 20 schools in 2013, but it has remained relatively consistent through the past decade.
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"There is still a misperception that most schools are generating more money than they spend on college athletics," said NCAA Chief Financial Officer Kathleen McNeely. "These data show once again that the truth is just the opposite.
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http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...partments-make-more-they-spend-still-minority
 
PtldPlatypus said:
He's "playing for free" in the same way that people investing money in uncertain vehicles are "spending money on nothing".

True, he's not receiving a piece of the pie (tuition, but that's minor). Kind of like investors getting small dividends.
Yes, he could improve his abilities elsewhere. Kind of like how investors could invest their money elsewhere--it's up to the investor to decide which route likely nets the best return (or lowest risk).
Yes, if he's injured, he realizes none of that potential return. Kind of like how if a company goes bankrupt, the investors lose their money.
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Except this isn't investment. It's labor. There's a reason that people engage in labor, rather than everyone being investors--labor is supposed to be a contract where the terms are spelled out, rather than a bet. And many people need certain money now, rather than potentially making money down the line. I find it disingenuous to act like labor and investment are identical and should be compared directly. They each have separate goals and neither is appropriate for everyone in every case. For many collegiate athletes, the money would actually make a huge difference to their lives. There have been horror stories of players not having enough money to eat properly while playing in a March Madness tourney that's making incredible sums of money for other people. Brushing that off as "investment" is a terrible way to apologize for it, IMO.
 
Minstrel said:
Except this isn't investment. It's labor. There's a reason that people engage in labor, rather than everyone being investors--labor is supposed to be a contract where the terms are spelled out, rather than a bet. And many people need certain money now, rather than potentially making money down the line. I find it disingenuous to act like labor and investment are identical and should be compared directly. They each have separate goals and neither is appropriate for everyone in every case. For many collegiate athletes, the money would actually make a huge difference to their lives. There have been horror stories of players not having enough money to eat properly while playing in a March Madness tourney that's making incredible sums of money for other people. Brushing that off as "investment" is a terrible way to apologize for it, IMO.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Labor, like time, goods, and money, is a resource. Like any resource, it can be exchanged for another, or it can be invested in hope of a greater return. People invest their labor in unpaid internships all the time, in hopes of reaping a greater return down the road. Business owners invest time and labor in a business, hoping for a return. Farmers invest labor in hopes of growing a product. None is a perfect analogy, but your claim that labor is necessarily supposed to be a contractual exchange for wages is unconvincing to me.
 
oldmangrouch said:
WTF? I replied to Dviss about something else....and your post shows up as a quote. What's that about?
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Oh, you must have at some point hit reply on my post, either by accident or on purpose and then decided not to--the system keeps whatever you've hit reply on in your "multi-quote list."
 
Minstrel said:
Oh, you must have at some point hit reply on my post, either by accident or on purpose and then decided not to--the system keeps whatever you've hit reply on in your "multi-quote list."
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Got it. Once again proving I am an old luddite!
 
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Reep said:
Even if you were joking this is crossing a line.
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Um.. I'm not joking and it's fucking true. Sounds like you're getting butthurt about the wrong thing.

And frankly, I don't care how you feel about it.
 
The NCAA is the new age plantation.

#yesisaiditanddontgiveafuckwhatyouthink
 
PtldPlatypus said:
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Labor, like time, goods, and money, is a resource. Like any resource, it can be exchanged for another, or it can be invested in hope of a greater return. People invest their labor in unpaid internships all the time, in hopes of reaping a greater return down the road. Business owners invest time and labor in a business, hoping for a return. Farmers invest labor in hopes of growing a product. None is a perfect analogy, but your claim that labor is necessarily supposed to be a contractual exchange for wages is unconvincing to me.
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Your second two examples are people working for themselves. I don't think that bears on the more general situation of working for others. It's true that unpaid internships exist, and interns are, indeed, working for free. What you seem to be arguing is not that collegiate athletes aren't working for free, but that they're getting an ancillary benefit--which is the case in every job. Anybody working a job is gaining more experience--that doesn't mean they're not working for free if they don't draw pay.
 
dviss1 said:
Um.. I'm not joking and it's fucking true. Sounds like you're getting butthurt about the wrong thing.

And frankly, I don't care how you feel about it.
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I don't disagree with the principle that the NCAA is corrupt and just out for money. Your racist take on it is what bothers me. Like it matters what color of skin the player has. White, brown and all other skin tones get taken by the NCAA equally. If you think blacks are the only ones taken advantage of in colleges then you aren't really looking.

On topic, I wouldn't mind if all HS seniors avoided one and done. The whole thing is a joke.
 
Reep said:
I don't disagree with the principle that the NCAA is corrupt and just out for money. Your racist take on it is what bothers me. Like it matters what color of skin the player has. White, brown and all other skin tones get taken by the NCAA equally. If you think blacks are the only ones taken advantage of in colleges then you aren't really looking.

On topic, I wouldn't mind if all HS seniors avoided one and done. The whole thing is a joke.
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You get mad at the reality. I know. The truth hurts. No one is talking about who's exploited. I'm talking about who DOES the exploiting.

Say what you want but, It sure ain't rich black people. And frankly, I don't give a fuck if you're bothered about me speaking truth about power.

People that have your take are part of the problem.
 
dviss1 said:
You get mad at the reality. I know. The truth hurts. No one is talking about who's exploited. I'm talking about who DOES the exploiting.

Say what you want but, It sure ain't rich black people. And frankly, I don't give a fuck if you're bothered about me speaking truth about power.

People that have your take are part of the problem.
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Not mad or hurt. Just can't believe anyone in this day and age believes there are no wealthy people of color making money from the NCAA basketball program, and also believes that all the white players must be getting a cut of the money as part of the process. Maybe you can explain to me how the minority athletic directors and university presidents fit into this system.

I'm not arguing that the system is fully equal yet, but pretty sure Greg Anthony's kid is less oppressed than some poor white kid who grew up without a dad in rural Mississippi.
 
Reep said:
Not mad or hurt. Just can't believe anyone in this day and age believes there are no wealthy people of color making money from the NCAA basketball program, and also believes that all the white players must be getting a cut of the money as part of the process. Maybe you can explain to me how the minority athletic directors and university presidents fit into this system.

I'm not arguing that the system is fully equal yet, but pretty sure Greg Anthony's kid is less oppressed than some poor white kid who grew up without a dad in rural Mississippi.
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You don't seem to have a clue what racism is but that's for another thread.
 
Reep said:
and also believes that all the white players must be getting a cut of the money as part of the process
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You sound like an idiot for posting this. Seriously... Where the fuck are you making this shit up from?

Just another white guy that gets butthurt when someone speaks the truth about a plantation type system.

Again, part of the problem...
 
Fez Forthright said:
S l e e p e r.



Upside, Upside, Upside. He has second round steal written all over him.

Obviously a few years away -- super raw.

Defense is his calling card.

Absurd length -- Whiteside territory:

6'11" | 9'6" Reach
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He announced today that he's returning to school.

Smart decision. He looked lost in the combine scrimmages. His offense has a ways to go.

But the defensive upside is there. Someone was going to get a steal in the second round. He'll be a first-rounder next year IMO - a Goga Bitadze-like route.
 
With 25 in this draft from everything I've read at least....I'd trade the pick packaged with a salary dump trade to fill a role and free some money...if not, I'd look to European hoops for a diamond in the rough...some young guy poised to break out ...I miss Rasta posting links to those guys. Nurk probably knows who to check out
 
Goga Bitadze entered last year and pulled out late. Had he stayed in the draft he would've certainly been a mid to late second rounder.

He's getting looks as high as #10 now.
 
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