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I hate to ruffle feathers, but....

1) There is no such thing as "BPA". Players can be rated on 30 or so metrics. We can make up
weighting functions for each of these metrics, but in the end it leads to qualitative decision-making,
i.e. guessing. That's why GMs "Tier Draft".

2) We're not drafting Bazley - don't get a coronary when we don't. He's not on our radar, or anyone else's as far as I've heard.
If he starts to get on our radar, he'll be on the radar of those picking ahead of us, too.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I hate to ruffle feathers, but....

1) There is no such thing as "BPA". Players can be rated on 30 or so metrics. We can make up
weighting functions for each of these metrics, but in the end it leads to qualitative decision-making,
i.e. guessing. That's why GMs "Tier Draft".

2) We're not drafting Bazley - don't get a coronary when we don't. He's not on our radar, or anyone else's as far as I've heard.
If he starts to get on our radar, he'll be on the radar of those picking ahead of us, too.
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Geez Buzzkill!

1) You don't think there is a difference between taking the highest rated player on your board no matter what position they play and taking the highest rated player at a specific position of need? C'mon man.

2) What does that mean? Was Collins on our radar before the draft? How are you determining he's not on our radar or anyone else's radar? That's nonsense.
 
hoopsjock said:
Geez Buzzkill!

1) You don't think there is a difference between taking the highest rated player on your board no matter what position they play and taking the highest rated player at a specific position of need? C'mon man.
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But why shouldn't the "board" or ranking system or whatever take position into account already? Like if I'm making a list of players and two are really close, I'm going to put the player that is a position we need ahead of others we don't need. Makes more sense that way to me.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
But why shouldn't the "board" or ranking system or whatever take position into account already? Like if I'm making a list of players and two are really close, I'm going to put the player that is a position we need ahead of others we don't need. Makes more sense that way to me.
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He was talking about rating prospects on a 30 or so category metric. Position wouldn't come into play. If it's close, absolutely take the position you need.

If Phoenix got the #1 pick should they rate Ja Morant higher than Zion because they took Ayton last year?
 
hoopsjock said:
He was talking about rating prospects on a 30 or so category metric. Position wouldn't come into play. If it's close, absolutely take the position you need.

If Phoenix got the #1 pick should they rate Ja Morant higher than Zion because they took Ayton last year?
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Is Zion a center?
 
santeesioux said:
I know nbadraft.net isn't the best, but they have Romeo Langford all the way down to one pick before our pick when he was a top ten pick before, what's going on with him?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/romeo-langford

Not a fan of his comp tho....
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Yeesh... Don't like this:

Weaknesses: Doesn't always look fully engaged in the game and intensity level seems to come and go ... He struggles shooting the three-point shot ... He only hit on 27% of his 3 pointers last year, while taking almost four a game ... Decision making needs work ... He is prone to taking shooting questionable shots at times ... He needs to improve his free throw shooting ... He shot 72% but improving upon it will add to his point totals ... He’s not an explosive athlete ... At times his defensive effort can be lagging ... He can be to ball dominant on offense at times, leading to bad shots ... He can be careless with the ball at times, leading to poor turnovers ... He’s to reliant on his right hand, which will make him easier to defend in the NBA ... He has trouble controlling the game from the half court ... A part of the problem with his three-point shot is that he’s hesitant to take them at times ... He struggles when he is forced to be the primary playmaker ... He needs to improve his overall efficiency as he shot just under 45 percent from the field ... That’s not bad but it could improve ...
 
CupWizier said:
We are in win now mode, not 3 or 4 years from now and an untested project does nothing to improve the team for the next year or two if he even pans out. I like singles and doubles much better than a swing and a miss. Rod Carew was one of my favorite hitters along with Tony Gwynn as they hit singles and doubles all day long into the hall of fame.I also watched a kid in high school that played at Wilson when my son was at Franklin and was the next great thing to come out of the state. He had a mediocre career at Arizona and never made the pros. The Bazely kid should have at least played in the G league for the year rather than wasting it if he seriously wants to play pro ball. when a player avoids competition it throws up a red flag.

I also remember you were the one that convinced me that Swanigan would be a great prospect to draft where we drafted at. That didn;t really pan out.
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This is silly. The same logic means we shouldn't have taken Anfernee Simons.
 
hoopsjock said:
Apparently the Knicks and Hawks are discussing a trade of #3 for #8 and #10. As much as I'm kind meh on Barrett I think this would be a bad move by NY in this draft.
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Especially when you can get Anthony Davis if you're NY.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
If he starts to get on our radar, he'll be on the radar of those picking ahead of us, too.
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Sure, he may end up on other team's radars too...that doesn't mean they'll select him. Otherwise, the inevitable result of your logic is that he'll go #1...after all, if he's on the radar of teams picking ahead of us, he'll be on the radar of teams picking ahead of them too. And ahead of the teams picking ahead of them. Etcetera.

Ultimately, he has a general range where he's likely to go. Maybe that range will change leading up to the draft, but right now, Portland is in that range. Him ending up "on Portland's radar" doesn't suddenly change his range to be even higher than Portland's pick.
 
dviss1 said:
Let's say AD was looking to stay.

Should a team with an all star PF (Pelicans) be looking to Draft Zion?
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If I didn't think Zion and Davis could play well together, then yeah, I'd seriously look at drafting someone else. There's no guarantee any of these players will live up to their potential so I'd at least pick one that would work the best for the team if the player did work out.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
If I didn't think Zion and Davis could play well together, then yeah, I'd seriously look at drafting someone else. There's no guarantee any of these players will love up to their potential so I'd at least pick one that would work the best for the team if the player did work out.
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Not drafting Zion in this draft would be the dumbest move any GM with the #1 pick could ever do regardless of roster composition.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
If I didn't think Zion and Davis could play well together, then yeah, I'd seriously look at drafting someone else. There's no guarantee any of these players will love up to their potential so I'd at least pick one that would work the best for the team if the player did work out.
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If you really don't believe the BPA (in your own evaluations, not trying to say everyone agrees on who BPA is) can co-exist with your best player(s), then you should be trying to trade out of the pick and taking BPA at another selection--not take a player you evaluate to be a lesser talent but a better fit, IMO.

Or trading the player(s) that you don't think the draftee can co-exist with, depending on which you judge the rarer talent.
 
Minstrel said:
If you really don't believe the BPA (in your own evaluations, not trying to say everyone agrees on who BPA is) can co-exist with your best player(s), then you should be trying to trade out of the pick and taking BPA at another selection--not take a player you evaluate to be a lesser talent but a better fit, IMO.

Or trading the player(s) that you don't think the draftee can co-exist with, depending on which you judge the rarer talent.
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Yeah, I was gonna say that too but I'm at work and didn't have the time.
 
PCmor7 said:
Transcendent NBA journeyman.
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Or the next Draymond Green type player.

Green's weaknesses when he was drafted:

Weaknesses:
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One of those great college basketball players that doesn't excel in any one particular area ... Tweener, undersized for a physical forward yet lacks the athleticism of a wing ... Lacks explosiveness, agility, elusiveness and quickness off the bounce ... Under the rim finisher, which is troublesome when you consider his size ... Not a threat to shake his defender off the dribble ... Minimal upside ... Vulnerable defending quicker guards on the perimeter ... Could stand to drop some weight ...
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I just don't see where Grant Williams fits on the Blazers at all. I see these mocks linking him with us, but I don't see a fit. He's an undersized 4 who seems to be close to his peak. He reminds me of Biggie.

I don't see how he moves the needle for the Blazers now or in the future. Is he good enough to get minutes at the 3 with potentially Mo, Rodney and Jake? If Chief is back, can he get minutes from him and Zach at the 4?

Can he be a rotation player on a team that's competing for HCA in the Western Conference?

I don't see any of those when I see him. I see a guy who would excel in the summer league.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Or the next Draymond Green type player.

Green's weaknesses when he was drafted:
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I've never seen him compared to Draymond Green before. Maybe I've missed it.

Draymond's value is as an exceptional defensive player with a non-stop motor. His arm length is insane. That doesn't sound like Grant Williams to me.

If he was a slightly above average defensive player, it wouldn't be enough to make him worth it offensively.

I think your absolute upside for Grant Williams is Millsap. And it'd be a stretch for me to see him achieving that. And even if he did, I don't know if that guy is a central player in the WC semis or finals. And I don't think Millsap would be a particular great fit on the Blazers in the current system.

Just MO.
 
If you are looking at drafting Grant Williams at 25, IMO, better off to trade the pick for a vet who can make an impact on your roster now or a Skal-type move.
 
PCmor7 said:
I've never seen him compared to Draymond Green before. Maybe I've missed it.

Draymond's value is as an exceptional defensive player with a non-stop motor. His arm length is insane. That doesn't sound like Grant Williams to me.

If he was a slightly above average defensive player, it wouldn't be enough to make him worth it offensively.

I think your absolute upside for Grant Williams is Millsap. And it'd be a stretch for me to see him achieving that. And even if he did, I don't know if that guy is a central player in the WC semis or finals. And I don't think Millsap would be a particular great fit on the Blazers in the current system.

Just MO.
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I'm making the comparison. Draymond wasn't seen as what he is now nor was he expected to translate well to the NBA. Lots of people, like you, are saying the same things about Williams.

Williams junior year:
18.8 ppg
7.5 rpg
3.2 apg
1.5 bpg
1.1 spg

Green junior year:
12.6 ppg
8.6 rpg
4.1 apg
1.1 bpg
1.8 spg

Williams does a little bit of everything, just like Draymond, and has the IQ to be a great team defender. He is a much better scorer than Green and slightly worse rebounding so the comparison obviously isn't perfect. None are.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Or the next Draymond Green type player.

Green's weaknesses when he was drafted:
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PCmor7 said:
I've never seen him compared to Draymond Green before. Maybe I've missed it.

Draymond's value is as an exceptional defensive player with a non-stop motor. His arm length is insane. That doesn't sound like Grant Williams to me.

If he was a slightly above average defensive player, it wouldn't be enough to make him worth it offensively.

I think your absolute upside for Grant Williams is Millsap. And it'd be a stretch for me to see him achieving that. And even if he did, I don't know if that guy is a central player in the WC semis or finals. And I don't think Millsap would be a particular great fit on the Blazers in the current system.

Just MO.
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Draymond and Williams measured almost exactly the same in height (with and without shoes) and weight (Williams 4.5 pounds more). Draymond had more fattiness to him with double the body fat.

The reason Draymond is fine at that size while Williams will struggle is that Draymond's wingspan was 7'1.25" compared to 6'9.75" for Grant. That's a huge difference when it comes to trying to make up for being undersized.

I'm not saying measurements are everything but Draymond would not be as good if he didn't have such long arms.
 
PCmor7 said:
Um, we just did this last year. Seems to be working out fine.
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Jury is still out on that one. Simons hasn’t done much. He will turn out good I think but there were some good wings and forwards who went later in the draft - Kurucs is someone I would have on this team right now. I don’t think Simons will have a career that is way above the likes of Shamet, Kurucs, Robinson.
 
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Do we have a shot at getting Kabengele? I think we do and he could be a good pick.

I think there will be plenty of useful role players coming out of this draft. Few potential stars but many versatile players who will contribute on winning teams. Someone like Thybulle is basically your ultimate fifth player specialist type of guy.
 
hoopsjock said:
Draymond and Williams measured almost exactly the same in height (with and without shoes) and weight (Williams 4.5 pounds more). Draymond had more fattiness to him with double the body fat.

The reason Draymond is fine at that size while Williams will struggle is that Draymond's wingspan was 7'1.25" compared to 6'9.75" for Grant. That's a huge difference when it comes to trying to make up for being undersized.

I'm not saying measurements are everything but Draymond would not be as good if he didn't have such long arms.
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To piggy back, Draymond's standing reach is 8'10".
 
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