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http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
 
My last minute draft wants using pick #25 with only moderate research:
1) Bazley
2) Kabengele
3) Okpala

I find several others interesting, and I'll do more research after I find out what happened draft night.
 
We need to find a Draymond Green type player to help this team then trade for a SF who can handle the ball.
 
My grumpy comment of the day.

I would love to see 2 mock drafts side-by-side. One based on hypothetical upside and the other on actual on court performance. Fast forward 3 years, and see which more accurately reflects NBA success.

Sneer if you want, but looking at this draft I see a number of "low upside" guys (EG Cam Johnson, Grant Williams, Thybulle) who are going to get drafted late and have a good chance of out-performing the "projects" drafted ahead of them.

It would be different in a draft with a deeper talent pool, but everyone admits this draft is very top-heavy. A lot of teams are going to wind up wasting picks on the next Meyers Leonard reaching for "high upside" that just isn't there!

I will now get off my soapbox.
 
oldmangrouch said:
My grumpy comment of the day.

I would love to see 2 mock drafts side-by-side. One based on hypothetical upside and the other on actual on court performance. Fast forward 3 years, and see which more accurately reflects NBA success.

Sneer if you want, but looking at this draft I see a number of "low upside" guys (EG Cam Johnson, Grant Williams, Thybulle) who are going to get drafted late and have a good chance of out-performing the "projects" drafted ahead of them.

It would be different in a draft with a deeper talent pool, but everyone admits this draft is very top-heavy. A lot of teams are going to wind up wasting picks on the next Meyers Leonard reaching for "high upside" that just isn't there!

I will now get off my soapbox.
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Happens every year. Like Brogdan/Brunson/Monte Morris/Jokic/etc etc
 
Already movement.

GS bought #41 from ATL for 1.3 mil and a future second. -- Woj
 
dviss1 said:
It's not a mistake that you said I called the NCAA racist because I didn't bring up white players that are being exploited...?
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I think you need to address this issue from the standpoint of classism, not racism....poor kids from rural farmlands have the same issue as many urban kids...rich exploit the poor for capitalistic gain in every walk of society....from Native americans to Asians, to Caucasians to Latinos to African americans, etc......the line in the sand will disappear when we all stop fucking drawing it over and over......I promise you Scottie Pippen was glad to leave childhood poverty in Arkansas just like Meyers Leonard was glad to leave poverty in Indiana.....and both young men showed gratitude and succeeded from that system. I read you call people yours and mine in a post you made.....you should really just rethink that bubble....we need as a people to start changing these ideas that continue to prop segregation up and not be inclusive...which is the goal of freedom to begin with....inclusion. Racism in many cases is used as a distraction from classism.....haves and have nots....as far as white racists...whenever that rears it's ugly head it should be heckled without mercy but career paths have nothing to do with that. African Americans have risen to the top of almost every entertainment field in the country from Opera to figure skating.....the world in my lifetime has changed drastically....we both have children....that's our responsibility...to teach them better....being angry at someone here in the forum about being "white" or saying they could not possibly understand racism is in my view...pretty shallow my friend...the military is filled with people of every color who joined to improve their circumstance and better their situation...get an education...etc...during the draft the poor were numbered lower than the wealthy....if you had ways and means you could avoid the draft
 
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riverman said:
I think you need to address this issue from the standpoint of classism, not racism....poor kids from rural farmlands have the same issue as urban kids...rich exploit the poor for capitalistic gain in every walk of society....from Asians, to Caucasians to Latinos to African americans, etc......the line in the sand will disappear when we all stop fucking drawing it over and over......I promise you Scottie Pippen was glad to leave childhood poverty in Arkansas just like Meyers Leonard was glad to leave poverty in Indiana.....and both young men showed gratitude and succeeded from that system. I read you call people yours and mine in a post you made.....you should really just rethink that bubble
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I don't think I need to be told how to address an issue.
 
Rui Hachimura is a freak. This may be an unpopular opinion but I would trade Collins for Hachimura.
 
B-Roy said:
Rui Hachimura is a freak. This may be an unpopular opinion but I would trade Collins for Hachimura.
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He bears a really striking resemblance to Kawhi in my mind. Prolly going lottery. Wonder what it would take to climb up.
 
B-Roy said:
Rui Hachimura is a freak. This may be an unpopular opinion but I would trade Collins for Hachimura.
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That's a big no way from me. Collins will be an elite defender once he learns how to stay out of foul trouble. Hachimura is gonna be an average defender at best.

yuyuza1 said:
He bears a really striking resemblance to Kawhi in my mind. Prolly going lottery. Wonder what it would take to climb up.
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Wow really? Their games are nothing alike in my opinion.
 
hoopsjock said:
Wow really? Their games are nothing alike in my opinion.
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I'm going off of highlight vids. I don't watch college. But the same kinda calculated dribbles, strength, midrange, etc. Who would you compare him to?
 
yuyuza1 said:
He bears a really striking resemblance to Kawhi in my mind. Prolly going lottery. Wonder what it would take to climb up.
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I can't see us moving up without trading Collins, and even then it would have to be the right team who wants Zach. Or maybe a team that doesn't like their position would trade the pick for two firsts.

I'm getting Kawhi/Giannis type vibes. He's got good feel, and his frame is ridiculous. It's tough to project someone as a top 5/top10 NBA player but I'm pretty confident Hachimura will be at least an impact guy at some point. His skills will translate to the next level.
 
if Bol Bol drops like some of the mocks this morning are predicting down to our range, do you take the risk on him?
 
hoopsjock said:
That's a big no way from me. Collins will be an elite defender once he learns how to stay out of foul trouble. Hachimura is gonna be an average defender at best.
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I said it would be an unpopular opinion. I guess we will see in a few years though.

Character and work ethic are great with both guys, but Hachimura has an NBA body already. Two years in and Collins is still getting pushed around by backup centers. It helps that we can already see an elite skill from Zach at the NBA level: help defense, but aside from that I don't see much upside in his overall game.
 
I think there are going to be a number of quality players still available where the Blazers pick. I sense Bol might be one of them. There are a number of guys who've dropped from lottery into the 20s or lower. I still can't believe Okeke is being projected as an early second rounder just because of the injury. Thybulle's probably a first-rounder based solely on his potential to be an elite defender. Okeke is a plus defender, a plus shooter AND he can post and rebound. What's not to like about that?

This is a draft where the value is exactly where the Blazers are picking, in the 20-40 range. You can get guys there who, IMO, are every bit as good as 8-20.
 
I would add that I still would take Bazley over Bol. I think there's a reason Baz is rising and guys like Bol and Langford are dropping. Honestly, the questions about those latter two players are every bit as concerning as any questions about Baz.

Unfortunately, it seems like teams might think the same way I am, and that means Baz really should be slotted somewhere in the teens.
 
Will the draft be available to watch via NBA TV subscription? We don’t have ESPN in Poland.
 
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