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JDC said:
Best prospect on Kentucky (not saying much) and will have better NBA career than Rui Hachimura. Again, not saying much.

I really like him though for what he is.
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LMAO.
 
BonesJones said:
Everyone always sleepin' on Rui.
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He's big and can score, but I'm still not sure he knows how to play.

Not a very versatile player on either end.

Could be wrong, but I'm sticking to it.
 
JDC said:
He's big and can score, but I'm still not sure he knows how to play.

Not a very versatile player on either end.

Could be wrong, but I'm sticking to it.
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Im really surprised to hear that from you. Your probably a better talent evaluator than I am. I have been kind of high on Rui. Was hoping the Blazers could move up to the 8-12 range and grab him.
Id like to say I think Mark Few does an incredible job of having guys coached up not a lot of bad bbiq guys come out of Zaga. Even the busts, are usually busts for other reasons. Really appreciate your insight though. Id trust your opinion over mine in this area.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Im really surprised to hear that from you. Your probably a better talent evaluator than I am. I have been kind of high on Rui. Was hoping the Blazers could move up to the 8-12 range and grab him.
Id like to say I think Mark Few does an incredible job of having guys coached up not a lot of bad bbiq guys come out of Zaga. Even the busts, are usually busts for other reasons. Really appreciate your insight though. Id trust your opinion over mine in this area.
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And I get the whole language barrier thing and I think he was fairly late to the game, but for a 21 year old kid, he still has way too many mental gaffes on both ends for my liking.

And I'm not sure he's athletic or skilled enough to translate his mid post game at the next level. Shown enough touch that I think he can stretch it out to three if he's forced to be a more off the ball player, but he's a heavy footed kid and really don't trust his IQ to move his game out to the perimeter defensively.

Feel like of he's going to make it, it's going to be as an offense only 4 off the bench and that player just doesn't have much value in today's nba imo.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Im really surprised to hear that from you. Your probably a better talent evaluator than I am. I have been kind of high on Rui. Was hoping the Blazers could move up to the 8-12 range and grab him.
Id like to say I think Mark Few does an incredible job of having guys coached up not a lot of bad bbiq guys come out of Zaga. Even the busts, are usually busts for other reasons. Really appreciate your insight though. Id trust your opinion over mine in this area.
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It's also seemed to me that JDC trends towards the unpopular opinion to be different. Its hit or miss.
 
BonesJones said:
It's also seemed to me that JDC trends towards the unpopular opinion to be different. Its hit or miss.
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To be different?

I like players, because I like them. No other reason.

And there are plenty of other people that are extremely wary of how Rui translates to the NBA game.
 
JDC said:
And I get the whole language barrier thing and I think he was fairly late to the game, but for a 21 year old kid, he still has way too many mental gaffes on both ends for my liking.

And I'm not sure he's athletic or skilled enough to translate his mid post game at the next level. Shown enough touch that I think he can stretch it out to three if he's forced to be a more off the ball player, but he's a heavy footed kid and really don't trust his IQ to move his game out to the perimeter defensively.

Feel like of he's going to make it, it's going to be as an offense only 4 off the bench and that player just doesn't have much value in today's nba imo.
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Rui kind of reminds me of Tobias Harris. Which is odd cause he just got traded. Now Ill be honest Harris’ game has always kind of frustrated me because it seemed like he could be better than he was, but he seems to finally be living up to what he should be.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Rui kind of reminds me of Tobias Harris. Which is odd cause he just got traded. Now Ill be honest Harris’ game has always kind of frustrated me because it seemed like he could be better than he was, but he seems to finally be living up to what he should be.
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Great comparison. I think he's a little more athletic and a little better with the ball in transition. Maybe a little better ball handler.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Rui kind of reminds me of Tobias Harris. Which is odd cause he just got traded. Now Ill be honest Harris’ game has always kind of frustrated me because it seemed like he could be better than he was, but he seems to finally be living up to what he should be.
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Tobias was also the 5th rated player in his class and productive as an out of shape 18 year old freshman.

I can see that as his upside, but think it's far from likely and at 21 years old you're still doing a lot more projecting with Rui than you were with Tobias if you view him playing a similar role in the NBA.
 
JDC said:
Tobias was also the 5th rated player in his class and productive as an out of shape 18 year old freshman.

I can see that as his upside, but think it's far from likely and at 21 years old you're still doing a lot more projecting with Rui than you were with Tobias if you view him playing a similar role in the NBA.
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Hachimura likely wouldnt be the shooter Tobias is, but I think his defense could be better and he could play a very similar, productive style. Rui is big and strong enough to play PF I the NBA, and his skillset at that position is really solid, with a lot of upside.
 
BonesJones said:
Hachimura likely wouldnt be the shooter Tobias is, but I think his defense could be better and he could play a very similar, productive style. Rui is big and strong enough to play PF I the NBA, and his skillset at that position is really solid, with a lot of upside.
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Maybe guarding bigs because I think Rui is definitely stronger and better at holding his position inside, but I think Tobias has the advantage everywhere else. Much lighter on his feet and far better IQ/awareness as a team defender at a younger age.

And yes, I watched a lot of Tobias Harris as a freshman.
 
JDC said:
Maybe guarding bigs because I think Rui is definitely stronger and better at holding his position inside, but I think Tobias has the advantage everywhere else. Much lighter on his feet and far better IQ/awareness as a team defender at a younger age.

And yes, I watched a lot of Tobias Harris as a freshman.
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I didn't ask if you did.

You underrate Rui's footspeed and especially his ability to recover and still block shots even if his guy has half a step. He did a great job down the stretch against elite players in the Duke game earlier this year.

He also isnt a bad team defender at all. Solid weaksode shot blocker and rotates quickly as a help defender. Rarely out of position either.
 
BonesJones said:
I didn't ask if you did.

You underrate Rui's footspeed and especially his ability to recover and still block shots even if his guy has half a step. He did a great job down the stretch against elite players in the Duke game earlier this year.

He also isnt a bad team defender at all. Solid weaksode shot blocker and rotates quickly as a help defender. Rarely out of position either.
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Like we often do, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Rui was an awful team defender last year imo (Few didn't trust him at all) and is only marginally better this year. And I'm watching the LMU game right now and have come across 5-6 IQ / foot speed issue related plays defensively from him in the first half alone.
 
JDC said:
Like we often do, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Rui was an awful team defender last year imo (Few didn't trust him at all) and is only marginally better this year. And I'm watching the LMU game right now and have come across 5-6 IQ / foot speed issue related plays defensively from him in the first half alone.
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A 5-6 from you is about as good as an A haha.

The team plays down to their opponents. It's LMU, they werent locked in the entire game. Against better players he raises his game.
 
My favorite (not necessarily the best) players in this draft in no particular order....

Zion Williamson
Jarrett Culver
Cam Reddish
Ja Morant (although I really think he might be a flash over substance guy on both ends and the celebrating after nearly every highlight play gets to me)
Jaxson Hayes
DeAndre Hunter
Ochai Abaiji
Tyler Herro
Goga Bitadze
Matisse Thybulle
Jontay Porter
Ignas Brazdeikis
 
I'm a big Admiral Schofield fan. Strong, 3-and-D guy who can hit shots off the dribble in the mid-range and from 3. Plays with a lot of energy and fire.

Fan of his teammate Grant Williams too. I like that he can defend 4 positions, hit shots from all three levels, rebound, as well as distribute and handle the ball a little bit. He has a bit of Draymond in him. I think he could help a team right away.
 
BonesJones said:
I'm a big Admiral Schofield fan. Strong, 3-and-D guy who can hit shots off the dribble in the mid-range and from 3. Plays with a lot of energy and fire.

Fan of his teammate Grant Williams too. I like that he can defend 4 positions, hit shots from all three levels, rebound, as well as distribute and handle the ball a little bit. He has a bit of Draymond in him. I think he could help a team right away.
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Not big on Admiral. Size, shot making and the intangibles are intriguing, but don't like how he moves and don't think he rebounds or defends nearly well enough to play the 4. IQ comes and goes on both ends too much for me.

Hard to find a role for him for those reasons. To explain it in the most confusing but only way possible for me....he's kinda like a less skilled, worse moving, but higher energy Semi Ojeleye imo.

Grant is definitely my favorite of the 2. Another player who has positional/play style translation questions on both ends, but I think he'll stretch to 3 and I've seen enough as a perimeter defender to think he has a chance to be a valuable low usage small ball 4 on the right team. Like a more athletic, but less competitive PJ Tucker.
 
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JDC said:
Not big on Admiral. Size, shot making and the intangibles are intriguing, but don't like how he moves and don't think he rebounds or defends nearly well enough to play the 4. IQ comes and goes on both ends too much for me.

Hard to find a role for him for those reasons. To explain it in the most confusing but only way possible for me....he's kinda like a less skilled, worse moving, but higher energy Semi Ojeleye imo.

Grant is definitely my favorite of the 2. Another player who has positional/play style translation questions on both ends, but I think he'll stretch to 3 and I've seen enough as a perimeter defender to think he has a chance to be valuable low usage small ball 4. Like a more athletic, but less competitive PJ Tucker.
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Admiral doesn't need to play the four. He's skilled enough to play the 3. You don't like how "he moves"? I don't understand what you mean by that haha.

Less skilled Ojeleye? I don't see it. Schofield is a more pure shooter than Ojeleye IMO. His form should translate to the NBA 3pt line. Much better mid-range shooter, passer, and ball-handler. Much more of a volume scorer for a much better team than Ojeleye was in college. Much more fluid too, so I have no idea how you say he's a "worse moving version of Ojeleye". He might not have the athleticism, but he's more agile and more efficient with his movement. And Ojeleye would be solid if he could hit NBA 3s.
 
JDC said:
He's a pretty divisive player among the guys I talk to. Interested to see what you think of him.

I'll hold onto my thoughts until you watch him though.
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Sadly I haven't watched nearly as much college basketball as I have in past years. But I watched a LOT in previous years.
 
BonesJones said:
Admiral doesn't need to play the four. He's skilled enough to play the 3. You don't like how "he moves"? I don't understand what you mean by that haha.

Less skilled Ojeleye? I don't see it. Schofield is a more pure shooter than Ojeleye IMO. His form should translate to the NBA 3pt line. Much better mid-range shooter, passer, and ball-handler. Much more of a volume scorer for a much better team than Ojeleye was in college. Much more fluid too, so I have no idea how you say he's a "worse moving version of Ojeleye". He might not have the athleticism, but he's more agile and more efficient with his movement. And Ojeleye would be solid if he could hit NBA 3s.
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The movement comment was more on the defensive end. Semi could really sit and move laterally and I think was more disciplined overall. Schofield definitely plays with more energy, (it's something I knocked Semi for when I evaluated him) but I'm not sure it translates to anything of real value defensively, especially when you consider the questionable IQ.

Definitely agree on the mid range game comment mainly due to Admiral's higher release and ability to shoot fading away and from more difficult angles, but both put up very similar numbers on 2pt jumpers and I'm not sure either ever have the role or usage to make much use of that skill.

Passing and ball handling are a wash imo. I could see the eye test reasoning since Schofield has more change of direction as a dribbler and willing to take more risks as a passer, but I'm not sure the difference is major and as a likely role player, I think I'd prefer the safer play style of Semi.

Ultimately though, I think they're pretty close as prospects. Both very fringe level guys imo.
 
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People slowly recognizing Tyler Herro as a legitimate first round pick this year. I guess a 29 point breakout will do that, but the talent has always been there.

Leaning out and handling vs pressure are still things NBA teams are going to want to see him improve.

EDIT* Just showed up on Tankathon's mock for the first time at #22 to Boston.
 
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Fascinated to see who Atlanta ends up with their two likely lottery picks.

De'Andre Hunter and Jaxson Hayes feels like the optimal result. And if they end up with those two, they may just be my favorite young team going forward.

Young/Huerter/Hunter/Collins/Hayes makes a lot of sense on both ends, even though I still think John Collins is overrated and a tough fit on a contending team as a starter.
 
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Louis King starting to turn it on.

Motor and assertiveness were always the main issues with him, but that looks to be improving in the games I've seen. Still not sure if he's just a front runner though, where those things come and go depending on how he's doing in the box score.

But if it's real, no reason why he couldn't sneak into the lottery.
 
JDC said:
Louis King starting to turn it on.

Motor and assertiveness were always the main issues with him, but that looks to be improving in the games I've seen. Still not sure if he's just a front runner though, where those things come and go depending on how he's doing in the box score.

But if it's real, no reason why he couldn't sneak into the lottery.
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The beginning of the year in most mocks he was lottery pick but him not be able start the season hurt him this year draft. Right most mocks got him in the 2nd I think he should play another year in college.
 
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