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Rastapopoulos said:
One thing I would like to know (and never will) is how much influence each named GM has on his team's picks. Of course it will vary, but I bet there are plenty who just go to the scouts and say "Who should we pick?" and just go with that (if there's consensus). I bet some GMs never bother to watch much tape. Just as players have different strengths, GMs do, whether it be negotiating with agents, bargaining with other teams in trades, making sure the franchise is a money-making enterprise, whatever. Neil reminds me of one of those bureaucrats who has worked out the people he needs to please to keep his job and is VERY good at that. He also seems to like to insert himself into "special occasions" - like Melo's scoring achievement last season.
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Can't speak for all GMs, but for awhile worked close enough with about 10 of them to tell you that in most cases, this is absolutely not how it works, certainly not with consequential picks. Scouts have their role (detailed input on players), analysts have theirs (trends in the league, what they're "hearing", etc.) , data guys have theirs, coaching staff has theirs (player fit, roster strengths/weaknesses), cap gurus theirs, medical and psych staff theirs (red flags, mostly) and the GM has to manage those teams, develop the overall strategy have and manage the larger picture, etc. At the end of the day, the decision is on the GM's shoulders, so any worth a damn is going to have a lot of involvement in the final decision, based on the inputs above as well as their own scouting (they're on the road a TON).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
One thing I would like to know (and never will) is how much influence each named GM has on his team's picks. Of course it will vary, but I bet there are plenty who just go to the scouts and say "Who should we pick?" and just go with that (if there's consensus). I bet some GMs never bother to watch much tape. Just as players have different strengths, GMs do, whether it be negotiating with agents, bargaining with other teams in trades, making sure the franchise is a money-making enterprise, whatever. Neil reminds me of one of those bureaucrats who has worked out the people he needs to please to keep his job and is VERY good at that. He also seems to like to insert himself into "special occasions" - like Melo's scoring achievement last season.
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I don't think that works as a GM in the NBA. You have to have a basketball mind. Or you get fired. Paul Allen was incredibly intelligent, and involved in the process. I doubt he would have just let Neil spin doctor him through the years. HE WANTED TO WIN. Can't judge a book by it's cover, but i think, including myself, i commit that mistake once in a while.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
One thing I would like to know (and never will) is how much influence each named GM has on his team's picks. Of course it will vary, but I bet there are plenty who just go to the scouts and say "Who should we pick?" and just go with that (if there's consensus). I bet some GMs never bother to watch much tape. Just as players have different strengths, GMs do, whether it be negotiating with agents, bargaining with other teams in trades, making sure the franchise is a money-making enterprise, whatever. Neil reminds me of one of those bureaucrats who has worked out the people he needs to please to keep his job and is VERY good at that. He also seems to like to insert himself into "special occasions" - like Melo's scoring achievement last season.
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I would seriously bet against your theory that GM's just take scouts' word for it. Come on, the draft is a huge opportunity and can be a huge detriment to the GM. So at the very least every GM is having their scouting team put together video packages and scouting reports. Yeah, the GM might not watch every game a guy they want to draft has ever played but to think that they don't educate themselves and have final say is pretty crazy to me.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
According to this, it might be a good thing that the Blazers are sitting out the draft:

https://towardsdatascience.com/which-nba-teams-are-best-at-drafting-20070ccd1702

...although:
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Interesting to see Presti so low. All those draft picks, too...
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Kevein Pritchard really low; the last three picks he made for the Blazers helped that. Shall I remind: Babbit, Eliot Williams and what was that Duke guard's name?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Kevein Pritchard really low; the last three picks he made for the Blazers helped that. Shall I remind: Babbit, Eliot Williams and what was that Duke guard's name?
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Or did I get mixed up? Armon Johmson 2nd round 2010 and the Duke guy another year?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK. Nolan Smith 2012; was that Pritchard and 2009 Victor Claver. That was three years of total failure.
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You know a lot of people like to talk a lot of shit about a couple of our past point guards: Nolan Smith and Raymond Felton and if you think I'm going to ask you to stop, you're wrong. Carry on, those guys sucked.
 
Well a guy Blazers should look at a 2nd rounder Bassey western Kentucky center 7'3 wing span.
 
This is gonna be a snooze fest. If we end with a pick I’m so not prepared.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Wonder if Golden State will take him at #14 if they don't trade the pick.
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According to NBA.com, Duarte to GSW at #14 is now the consensus of the mock drafts from the main sites.

https://www.nba.com/news/2021-consensus-mock-draft

Tooting my horn 6 months ago in this very thread when he was projected mid-2nd in the mocks I was comparing him to Klay and calling top half of the 1st. With Thompson saying in June that recovery is going "slow" & W's GM Bob Meyers saying they won't rush him back even if that means delaying his start until March, they've real need at SG. Chris has reportedly worked out for them privately multiple times which is largely why I think the various mocks have coalesced on this projection.

STOMP
 
"If it's not Cash, it's Tango". Tango, Cash. Even the Late Jack Palance agrees.
 
We almost need to acquire a second rounder just to fill out the roster.
 
glazeduck said:
Can't speak for all GMs, but for awhile worked close enough with about 10 of them to tell you that in most cases, this is absolutely not how it works, certainly not with consequential picks. Scouts have their role (detailed input on players), analysts have theirs (trends in the league, what they're "hearing", etc.) , data guys have theirs, coaching staff has theirs (player fit, roster strengths/weaknesses), cap gurus theirs, medical and psych staff theirs (red flags, mostly) and the GM has to manage those teams, develop the overall strategy have and manage the larger picture, etc. At the end of the day, the decision is on the GM's shoulders, so any worth a damn is going to have a lot of involvement in the final decision, based on the inputs above as well as their own scouting (they're on the road a TON).
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you don't know how it works with Portland so here's the lowdown:

when Olshey makes a good pick, it was all him. When Olshey makes a bad pick it was Paul Allen
 
Fez Forthright said:
Might as well :auto:

*Hunter Dickinson
*Sharife Cooper
*Luka Garza
*Corey Kispert

^ Are very interesting prospects. Cooper is a p&r nightmare - a true PG.

Luka Garza continues to put up monster numbers - also leads the country in numerous advanced categories. His mobility is a big question mark though.

Who are you keeping tabs on?

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