Game Thread 2021 NBA Finals - Suns vs Bucks!

[Mediocre Man]

My take away from this series is we may be closer than we think to being a team that at least has a shot if things go our way.

Milwaukee is not a great team, but they they play team basketball on both ends of the floor

Giannis > Dame but it’s not like Dame sucks

Middleton >> CJ not close

but I think the Blazers have a better supporting cast. Things have to go our way, but it’s not dire


Same goes for Phoenix

 

[PDXFonz]

Called it… it’s always the 2nd qtr

They who sinnith the first and winnith the second…

 

[Hoopguru]

The Bucks top 3 players plays defense. Our top 3 just plays offense

Yep

 

[Hoopguru]

Had Bud out coached Monty? Or has the team with superstars of greater size take advantage of their physical advantages?

Size is a factor in thus series

 

[Titan]

Woah, if the Bucks close this out then both Jrue and AD will get rings. Pelicans got to be rolling over in their graves for fucking it up.

 

[JoshuaHall]

My take away from this series is we may be closer than we think to being a team that at least has a shot if things go our way.

Milwaukee is not a great team, but they they play team basketball on both ends of the floor

Giannis > Dame but it’s not like Dame sucks

Middleton >> CJ not close

but I think the Blazers have a better supporting cast. Things have to go our way, but it’s not dire


Same goes for Phoenix

We have no one even close to Jrue Holiday caliber.
Not. Even. Close.

Holiday
Middleton
Giannis

Way, way better than

Nurk
CJ
Dame

 

[julius]

Woah, if the Bucks close this out then both Jrue and AD will get rings. Pelicans got to be rolling over in their graves for fucking it up.

yeh, but Pat Connaughton would get a ring, and damn you olshey!

 

[Hoopguru]

To win 4 straight is tough in the finals.

 

[B-Roy]

Looks like trading 3 picks and 2 swaps for Holiday is working out for Milwaukee.

 

[Titan]

yeh, but Pat Connaughton would get a ring, and damn you olshey!

I am glad for Pat though. Just funny if whoever trade for a Pelican player in offseason wins the next chip.

 

[julius]

I am glad for Pat though. Just funny if whoever trade for a Pelican player in offseason wins the next chip.

so what Im hearing is, the Blazers should trade with the Pelicans this off season.

 

[Chris Craig]

I predicted on the podcast that the Bucks would go down 0-2 then come back to win the series...so far so good

Looking good

 

[OneSport3]

The chasm between Jrue Holiday’s defense and CJ’s defense is astronomical. One is an All-World, elite defender while the other plays defense like he’s in a 24 hour fitness run.

 

[julius]

My take away from this series is we may be closer than we think to being a team that at least has a shot if things go our way.

Milwaukee is not a great team, but they they play team basketball on both ends of the floor

Giannis > Dame but it’s not like Dame sucks

Middleton >> CJ not close

but I think the Blazers have a better supporting cast. Things have to go our way, but it’s not dire


Same goes for Phoenix

Can't disagree, too much. Defense (and a predictable offense) was a bigger issue than the roster (and the roster was an issue). You can have Kanter OR Melo, not Kanter AND Melo, and you can't have Kanter and Melo if the style of defense the team plays is "non existent".

 

[DDolla]

That pass by Jrue reminds me of Gary Payton to The Reign Man

 

[Dom McBlazer]

I blame Kendall Jenner for this lol.

 

[DDolla]

Pat Con one win away from a title and Neil just let him walk…. smh

 

[Fairly-Hard]

So is Scott Foster the referee for game 6? If not does he take Chris Paul out in game 7?

 

[Tince]

Size is a factor in thus series

Agreed.

I think it's a factor in most series'. You need multiple all-stars to take the pressure off each other. When you add length to those all-stars, you limit the effectiveness of doubles (can still pass or shoot over the top).

I want us to be the first team in many years to win a title without needing those things, but it seems highly unlikely.

 

[Tince]

Pat Con one win away from a title and Neil just let him walk…. smh

Obviously letting him walk for nothing isn't great. But there a lot of guys like Pat in this league that can be effective when they have multiple stars who can take offensive and defensive pressure away from them. We need to get to that point first and I think finding guys like Pat won't be too difficult.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Pat Con one win away from a title and Neil just let him walk…. smh

Why would he keep him if the coach isn't playing him? Also, I thought Neil couldn't draft?

 

[GDiama]

My take away from this series is we may be closer than we think to being a team that at least has a shot if things go our way.

Milwaukee is not a great team, but they they play team basketball on both ends of the floor

Giannis > Dame but it’s not like Dame sucks

Middleton >> CJ not close

but I think the Blazers have a better supporting cast. Things have to go our way, but it’s not dire


Same goes for Phoenix

The trio of Giannis+Middleton+Jrue is astronomically better than our big 3. If you can call them big anyway.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Giannis
Dame
Middleton
Jrue
McCollum
Nurk

Our issue is that our “3rd star” (Nurk) is closer to their “3rd star” (Holiday) while their 3rd star is closer to our #1 Dame.

In other words, Nurk isn’t nearly as good as Holiday, but Holiday is almost as good as Lillard.

the trick is finding an available player that is better than Middleton and Holiday for Nurk or CJ + picks.

 

[stampedehero]

The Suns lost a heartbreaker in game 5 at home. I hope they rebound and serve the Bucks proper revenge in game 6.

 

[LenPa]

Giannis
Dame
Middleton
Jrue
McCollum
Nurk

Our issue is that our “3rd star” (Nurk) is closer to their “3rd star” (Holiday) while their 3rd star is closer to our #1 Dame.

In other words, Nurk isn’t nearly as good as Holiday, but Holiday is almost as good as Lillard.

the trick is finding an available player that is better than Middleton and Holiday for Nurk or CJ + picks.

I think I understand what you mean and I absolutely agree with your order but Holiday almost as good as Lillard?

I would rather argue that Middleton and Holiday strongly outperform Nurk and CJ (especially Middleton is a great 2nd Option) but there are in my view some differences between these two and Dame.
Nevertheless, a better 2and3 options are needed to improve the team significantly.

 

[Hoopguru]

Giannis
Dame
Middleton
Jrue
McCollum
Nurk

Our issue is that our “3rd star” (Nurk) is closer to their “3rd star” (Holiday) while their 3rd star is closer to our #1 Dame.

In other words, Nurk isn’t nearly as good as Holiday, but Holiday is almost as good as Lillard.

the trick is finding an available player that is better than Middleton and Holiday for Nurk or CJ + picks.

Dame is as good as The Greek Freak at this point, imo. Middleton and Jrue are both better than CJ & Nurk.

 

[julius]

I wonder if Neils "inability" to draft is as much a product of Stotts inability to play young players without an insanly short leash.

 

[JoshuaHall]

I think I understand what you mean and I absolutely agree with your order but Holiday almost as good as Lillard?

I would rather argue that Middleton and Holiday strongly outperform Nurk and CJ (especially Middleton is a great 2nd Option) but there are in my view some differences between these two and Dame.
Nevertheless, a better 2and3 options are needed to improve the team significantly.

Yes, I knew this would be controversial but on a “scale”… holiday would be much closer to Lillard than he would be Nurk.

G-D—M-J—C——-N

This is a visual representation LOL of my thoughts.
Giannis and Dame are fairly close, I give Giannis the edge because of defense, size and positional versatility.

Middleton and Jrue, imo are pretty interchangeable. Middleton is a bit more consistent. But jrue’s defense is game changing and he has a CP3 quality to him where he brings so much more than scoring. Slight nod to Middleton.

I think CJ is a clear step below Jrue. If he hasn’t scoring, he is bringing nothing to our team really. Atrocious on defense. No versatility.

Then way in the back youve got Nurk who is… a glorified Robert Covington.

so per my amazing visual art, Jrue is nearly as good as Dame while I think Nurk is… quite a ways off from Jrue. The chart isn’t to scale. Like if we were to put players in tiers holiday would be a good tier or three above Nurk, irrelevant of position

 

[JoshuaHall]

Dame is as good as The Greek Freak at this point, imo. Middleton and Jrue are both better than CJ & Nurk.

Disagree with Dame being as good as Giannis. They’re close though. If you factor in leadership it’s a possibility but there is a massive gulf in defense, versatility and Giannis is a little more unstoppable in my opinion due to his rebounding, paint points, etc.

 

[Hoopguru]

Disagree with Dame being as good as Giannis. They’re close though. If you factor in leadership it’s a possibility but there is a massive gulf in defense, versatility and Giannis is a little more unstoppable in my opinion due to his rebounding, paint points, etc.

Good points but he has struggled big time with FT's at critical moments and Im not sure he's as good when it comes to clutch moments?
Since he's in the finals and has won mvp, I guess the tie goes to him...