Game Thread 2022-23 Game #12 BLAZERS @ PELICANS - NOVEMBER 10, 2022 - THURSDAY - 5:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

[wizenheimer]

I think justice Winslow will lose his spot.

Winslow can essentially play PG and run the offense better than any Blazer not named Dame. Payton can't do that, or at least he never has in the NBA



when I look at the minutes, I think Payton will take 10-15 from the 4 heavy minutes guys....providing he's performing well. And he'll probably take some from Keon & Nas; maybe a few from Watford

but again, that's contingent on him playing well and having an impact. I do think it's a bit of a concern considering how well Portland is playing and the potential for disruption. I never understood the major attraction the Blazers had for Payton, especially not to the level he was worth locking Portland in hard-cap jail. I imagine Chauncey really wanted him and Cronin obliged.

 

[wizenheimer]

Good enough to run the half court offense? The best we have are dame followed by ant and Winslow, and maybe keon after that. That's it. I assume hart might be able to do it toa lower degree as well - but there is a reason Chauncey got Winslow to play PG with dame and ant out...

like I just said in another post: I think Winslow runs the offense better than any Blazer not named Dame; that includes Simons

 

[andalusian]

like I just said in another post: I think Winslow runs the offense better than any Blazer not named Dame; that includes Simons

I pretty much agree if it comes to getting other people involved / creating for others. Of course, Simons is so deadly with the ball in his hand that overall, I would say that he is still above Winslow in these cases - but Winslow is a gifted passer.

 

[Pinwheel1]

He's been a great player to fill in when there aren't great bench options or guys are out hurt. But he has not brought the value of Hart or Grant, nor do I believe he can help as much as Dame or Ant overall even if his defense is better. Sharpe has a much higher ceiling.

I think of him as more of a gatekeeper, great to have the option of him instead of trash like Hezonja or Tolliver. But ideally the team would get better production from those minutes if possible.

Again that's great for a 3rd player on the depth chart. I just don't know if we get to a playoff series against an elite team if you can play him on the floor with such terrible shooting. Opponent could scheme against him and it would turn into the Aminu Harkless situation.

It's a long season so I've been very happy with what he's done. But I think some fans are going overboard by inking him in as a more permanent part of a winning rotation.

Yes, Hart and Grant are more important, which is why they start and Winslow does not.
Aminu and Hark are not good examples because they seldom created shots for others because they had poor handles.
No one is saying he needs to play 30 minutes, but there will be some matchups come playoff time where he is going to be important
to have coming off your bench. Zion and LBJ are good examples....if LeBron gets traded to a playoff team.

 

[THE HCP]

Shaedon is years away from contributing so we can finally cut all his minutes !

That wouldn't be smart. Somebody here said he was going to be our 2nd best payer by the end of the season I think.

 

[Tince]

When in doubt, ask yourself one question. Would this team look nearly as good if Stotts was still coach?

A coach can only do so much to help a team win, but they can do a great deal to cause them to lose.

I think the more accurate exercise would be to compare how Stotts' last team looked in comparison to the start of the following year with a new coach and a similar roster. As this roster continues to become more versatile in the forward position, and with a 66% change in the teams top 3 players, the comparisons start to be apples to oranges.

The question your asking is incredibly subjective and if I said it would look way better/worse I would have no factual way to back it up. Anyone who did answer, would have to include their bias in their "story" for why the team would be better or worse. Those are pointless debates at that point.

 

[THE HCP]

it must really rankle you to have predicted total mediocrity for this year's Blazers & insignificance this year for Sharpe, while at the same time predicting greatness for the Pelicans and Timberwolves...how those two teams have a giant talent advantage over Portland. And so far, Portland is 9-3 while those two teams are 11-14; and the one game Portland played against either, they played without Dame, Nurkic, & Sharpe, on the road, against a healthy Pels team, and won by double digits. All this coming after it's become pretty obvious that Sharpe could actually be a consistent contributor this year

perhaps, in a Blazer forum, you might consider spending a little less time giving props to other teams and other teams players, especially when it comes 'at the expense' of Blazers or the Blazer players

and yeah, I'm well aware you'll probably be able to gloat about Blazer losses later on in the year, it's a long season after all, but the point I'm making is fuck Zion

This was a lot to read....but 2 words stuck with me..."rankle"....and "gloat" Neither of those apply to me. I'm never happy after a loss, you've never seen that from me on here every. I also am never upset with our success. You've never seen that from me on here as well.
Curious why you are accusing me of this.
As far as which teams are doing good and which aren't. My predictions and expectations of players/teams was a SEASON thing..... not 21 days.

 

[beast blazer]

Winslow can essentially play PG and run the offense better than any Blazer not named Dame. Payton can't do that, or at least he never has in the NBA

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when I look at the minutes, I think Payton will take 10-15 from the 4 heavy minutes guys....providing he's performing well. And he'll probably take some from Keon & Nas; maybe a few from Watford

but again, that's contingent on him playing well and having an impact. I do think it's a bit of a concern considering how well Portland is playing and the potential for disruption. I never understood the major attraction the Blazers had for Payton, especially not to the level he was worth locking Portland in hard-cap jail. I imagine Chauncey really wanted him and Cronin obliged.

Looks like chauncy wants to do a 9 man rotation. Maybe he'll expand it when gp2 comes back. Justice does a lot of good things, but his shooting is terrible. But im sure xhauncy loves his defense.

 

[beast blazer]

That would be a bad idea at this point because he is the de facto backup PG of this team - and he is one of the better defenders on the team. Replacing Winslow is only possible if you get proper and better replacements than him for these roles. I am not saying there are no other players in the league that can do that, I think it will be hard to find ones that are as good as him and are as team friendly in their contract / ability and acceptance of their role.

Winslow is basically what Evan Turner was for the Blazers during that run to the WCF - at a fraction of the cost. That's a great player to have on the roster and give minutes to.

Evan turner was garbage. Winslow is better...they just both have shooting issues that subtract from what rhey bring on d. But turners d was overrated

 

[wizenheimer]

Curious why you are accusing me of this..

for trash-talking entertainment, of course....and I think you'd at least admit you've spent a lot of time talking about how talented the Pelicans are while also spending a lot of time 'explaining' why the Blazers were going to be mediocre

 

[beast blazer]

JW is like draymond green without a shot.

 

[blazerfan11]

JW is like draymond green without a shot.

Draymond Green is better at shooting near the hoop than Winslow.
Neither is a good three-point shooter. They are nearly identical and just over 30% for their careers.

 

[beast blazer]

Draymond Green is better at shooting near the hoop than Winslow.
Neither is a good three-point shooter. They are nearly identical and just over 30% for their careers.

Yeah, jw was thought to be a potential star, but his low shooting e from all over the court have hurt. I still like him tbough.

 

[Strenuus]

6-1 in games Dame played and 3-2 when he did not. Depends how you categories Miami game he got injured in. Team was already down double digits when he left and lost by quite a bit.

I'd probably use whatever stat better supports my argument lol.

That's fair. I don't know what to use for the Miami game, and the argument is kinda moot since it's clear we're better with him in any facet.

 

[blazerfan11]

The score was 79-70 when Lillard left the game with 5:10 left in the 3rd quarter against Miami in Portland.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

I kind of feel like the Jazz are stealing our glory from a national perspective.

That’ll change if we beat Dallas.

 

[THE HCP]

for trash-talking entertainment, of course....and I think you'd at least admit you've spent a lot of time talking about how talented the Pelicans are while also spending a lot of time 'explaining' why the Blazers were going to be mediocre

The Blazers ARE going to be mediocre. 40 wins…..

 

[riverman]

The Blazers ARE going to be mediocre. 40 wins…..

IN YOUR DREAMS LAKER FAN!