Game Thread 2022-23 Game #34 - BLAZERS VS HORNETS - DECEMBER 26, 2022 - MONDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

[Charcoal Filtered]

Nothing worse than somebody holding tightly to a position that is unsupported by all available facts and data.

Just because you're unwilling to believe that he can shoot 3's efficiently and consistently doesn't mean that he can't. He's been 40-45% all year, and doesn't have a single significant stretch all season where he's below 30%. You might just want to consider that this Nurk-shooting-3's thing is worthwhile and here to stay.

Agreed. It is what it is and I like it.

 

[illmatic99]

I’m cool if he doesn’t take another one. He needs to worry about finishing at the rim. Nothing worse than somebody who can’t shoot from outside all of a sudden thinks he can. Last thing I want to see is this dude launching from outside in a tight game down the stretch.

yes let's handcuff a 45% 3pt shooter from shooting another 3 ever again.

glad you aren't the coach.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

yes let's handcuff a 45% 3pt shooter from shooting another 3 every again.

glad you aren't the coach.

Funny thing is that Nurk's .462 from 3 is a better eFG than either of the guys in the StatMuse tweet HCP posted here. I don't think anyone would begrudge Nurk shooting 20 shots a game if he were hitting nearly 70% in the paint . 1.386 points-per-shot is phenomenal, regardless of where the shots come from.

 

[illmatic99]

Funny thing is that Nurk's .462 from 3 is a better eFG than either of the guys in the StatMuse tweet HCP posted here. I don't think anyone would begrudge Nurk shooting 20 shots a game if he were hitting nearly 70% in the paint . 1.386 points-per-shot is phenomenal, regardless of where the shots come from.

yup. keep milking it til he misses. and if he regresses, so be it. but to stop him now would be idiotic.

even chauncey in his postgame yesterday said he'd add some wrinkles to ATOs to take advantage of the defensive coverage Nurk is getting up top. And he said he's neither been given a green light nor stopped him from shooting, just encouraged him to make the reads and shoot it if nothing else is open. Was music to my ears to hear that.

 

[Strenuus]

Clyde said that too when he was still playing. He usually stayed in town during much of the off-season....golfing.
I guarantee that if Dame is ever traded to say a CA team, he will slowly disappear in Portland. Now if he retires a Blazer then yes I would imagine he sticks around. But things can change in a hurry.

Lol.

 

[Strenuus]

Oh, i see! Sorry. I just looked at it in the other direction.

So did I.

The last two games should be at the bottom. Games 1-8 should occupy the first 8 spots.

 

[BBert]

Funny thing is that Nurk's .462 from 3 is a better eFG than either of the guys in the StatMuse tweet HCP posted here. I don't think anyone would begrudge Nurk shooting 20 shots a game if he were hitting nearly 70% in the paint . 1.386 points-per-shot is phenomenal, regardless of where the shots come from.

But that won't happen. Nurk is effective shooting relaxed unguarded slow windup and release practice threes in games. Just like Mr. Swish Three Leonard when he was here. Nurk has a close to zero chance of making tightly guarded threes at a useful rate. Once he's scouted his opportunities to take threes will be few. I'm happy with Nurk taking two a game when he's in a different zip code than any defender.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

But that won't happen. Nurk is effective shooting relaxed unguarded slow windup and release practice threes in games. Just like Mr. Swish Three Leonard when he was here. Nurk has a close to zero chance of making tightly guarded threes at a useful rate. Once he's scouted his opportunities to take threes will be few. I'm happy with Nurk taking two a game when he's in a different zip code than any defender.

Yeah he does have a slow windup/release.

 

[AldoTrapani]

The one thing that stood out to me was the absence of Sharpe in the second half until garbage time.

Lots of factors go into +/- but here is his over the last 10 games.

-8
-14
+1
-7
-12
-10
+8
+2
+18
-16

I really hope Payton plays soon. Love Sharpe's future but it does not look like we can afford to play him minutes right now.

Well this makes sense. He’s been garbage for awhile now

 

[Mr. Robot]

Yeah he does have a slow windup/release.

i dont know if this is quick windup/release, but it aint slow

if he has a lot of space, theres no need to do it quickly

 

[Mr. Robot]

But that won't happen. Nurk is effective shooting relaxed unguarded slow windup and release practice threes in games. Just like Mr. Swish Three Leonard when he was here. Nurk has a close to zero chance of making tightly guarded threes at a useful rate. Once he's scouted his opportunities to take threes will be few. I'm happy with Nurk taking two a game when he's in a different zip code than any defender.

his 1st & 5th 3-pointer last night werent wide open, closeout was attempted on both shots, nurk still made them

 

[BonesJones]

But that won't happen. Nurk is effective shooting relaxed unguarded slow windup and release practice threes in games. Just like Mr. Swish Three Leonard when he was here. Nurk has a close to zero chance of making tightly guarded threes at a useful rate. Once he's scouted his opportunities to take threes will be few. I'm happy with Nurk taking two a game when he's in a different zip code than any defender.

But if opposing centers are out of the paint, that's a good thing!

 

[SIeepwalker]

I’m cool if he doesn’t take another one. He needs to worry about finishing at the rim. Nothing worse than somebody who can’t shoot from outside all of a sudden thinks he can. Last thing I want to see is this dude launching from outside in a tight game down the stretch.

You mean like when he made a huge 3 pointer with 38 seconds left to take a one point lead against the Suns while Lillard was out ?

 

[BonesJones]

You mean like when he made a huge 3 pointer with 38 seconds left to take a one point lead against the Suns while Lillard was out ?

Yeah I have no idea how a dude "can't shoot from outside" when he's 26 for 56 from 3... Sure, you can scream small sample size, but the only way to know is to get a bigger sample size. We've seen it numerous times with other bigs developing 3pt shots. It's 2022, after all.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

But if opposing centers are out of the paint, that's a good thing!

There is absolutely no downside to Nurk MAKING THREES. If his defender lets him shoot they score 3 on a 45% clip. If his defender chases him out to the arc Nurk passes well enough to cook them.

What i noticed in the Denver game was instead of Jokic, Malone sent Porter and or Gordon out to guard him. Nurk only took two attempts because they were into his space. Now lets understand Nurk only played 21 mins due to foul trouble. Nurk also ended up with 4 turnovers.

Now against the Hornets they didn't send Hayward or Washington out And Nurk made his shots. Still ended up with 4 TO's but those were not in halfcourt offense.

Denver absolutely defended Nurk better and forced him into foul trouble. (Well maybe a couple of those were Nurks fault Ticky Tack fouls)

 

[THE HCP]

But isn’t scoring more points a good thing when done efficiently? I’m confused. Getting triple doubles is good but hitting threes is bad?

Nah, I’m good. Worst thing that could have happen is for him to make these. He actually now thinks he is a good shooter from out there. Coming down the stretch in tight games….no thanks. I’ll leave it to others to shoot out there.

 

[THE HCP]

Nothing worse than somebody holding tightly to a position that is unsupported by all available facts and data.

Just because you're unwilling to believe that he can shoot 3's efficiently and consistently doesn't mean that he can't. He's been 40-45% all year, and doesn't have a single significant stretch all season where he's below 30%. You might just want to consider that this Nurk-shooting-3's thing is worthwhile and here to stay.

Right on, keep reading that data FAMS. I promise you I won’t be excited to see him pull up from deep when it’s 105-105 with 10 seconds left Friday night. You can be with all your facts though bro.

 

[THE HCP]

yes let's handcuff a 45% 3pt shooter from shooting another 3 ever again.

glad you aren't the coach.

I’m glad your moving.

 

[THE HCP]

Funny thing is that Nurk's .462 from 3 is a better eFG than either of the guys in the StatMuse tweet HCP posted here. I don't think anyone would begrudge Nurk shooting 20 shots a game if he were hitting nearly 70% in the paint . 1.386 points-per-shot is phenomenal, regardless of where the shots come from.

If either Zion or Jokic were on this team I wouldn’t want them shooting 3s either, EVER! I don’t care if they go through a nice streak or not.

 

[THE HCP]

You mean like when he made a huge 3 pointer with 38 seconds left to take a one point lead against the Suns while Lillard was out ?

I am cool with him never shooting another 3 ever. I’d take a couple loses as long as he learned to not attempt those. You’ll see, he’s going to jack some up in tight games simply because he thinks he CAN! Him shooting from 25 feet is not going to help this team in the long run.

 

[illmatic99]

I’m glad your moving.

bizarre response, but OK.

"your" welcome.

 

[HailBlazers]

Denver absolutely defended Nurk better and forced him into foul trouble. (Well maybe a couple of those were Nurks fault Ticky Tack fouls)

Assuming you meant to say "weren't" Nurks fault. Ticky tack fouls are frustrating no?

 

[THE HCP]

bizarre response, but OK.

"your" welcome.

Spelling Police people crack me up.

 

[illmatic99]

Spelling Police people crack me up.

just be sure not to make those mistakes when you email Cronin your resume for the coaching job.

or better yet, email Pelinka down in LA. that team could definitely use someone with your coaching skills.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Assuming you meant to say "weren't" Nurks fault. Ticky tack fouls are frustrating no?

No actually i meant what i said. He commited a couple fouls that maybe he should not have? Then there was at least one foul that maybe should not have been called? Fact remains he was in foul troble all night and ended up with 6 and out of the game when they could have used him. Just a tough game. They happen to every player.

 

[illmatic99]

Yeah I have no idea how a dude "can't shoot from outside" when he's 26 for 56 from 3... Sure, you can scream small sample size, but the only way to know is to get a bigger sample size. We've seen it numerous times with other bigs developing 3pt shots. It's 2022, after all.

Brook Lopez had such a massive impact in the bucks' run to the title because they could play a 5 out offense and open up the lanes for Giannis.

Nurk becoming a legit 3pt shooter could have a similar impact to our already dynamic offense. Just leveraging that *threat* could be all that we need to add a few points per possession to our ORTG.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

just be sure not to make those mistakes when you email Cronin your resume for the coaching job.

or better yet, email Pelinka down in LA. that team could definitely use someone with your coaching skills.

Just wait until Nurk goes on a cold streak. There is no way he continues at 46%. When he has 5 games in a row of hitting 1-4 you might change your opinion here?
Hitting 5-7 just has made it tougher to get him not to shoot them. Now he's going to try to shoot himself out of the slump.

 

[illmatic99]

Just wait until Nurk goes on a cold streak. There is no way he continues at 46%. When he has 5 games in a row of hitting 1-4 you might change your opinion here?
Hitting 5-7 just has made it tougher to get him not to shoot them. Now he's going to try to shoot himself out of the slump.

His regression is inevitable. Anyone who thinks nurk will sustain 46% at his volume for the season is a fool. That isn't the point here; rather, my point is to let him keep getting up shots until he misses to allow for scouting reports to adjust and have guys guarding him. Even Nurk shooting at 33% on 3 or 4 attempts a game will add value to our offense just because of the defensive attention he will garner, while opening up the lanes for our three main offensive threats.

Brook Lopez shot 32% from three on 4 attempts a game in the playoffs when Milwaukee won the title. But he allowed for a complete overhaul of their offensive attack to the year prior because he was an actual threat.

This is all about synergy. Nurk himself shooting 1 point per possession is not. But the team increasing its overall efficiency with him on the floor even incrementally... is.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Brook Lopez had such a massive impact in the bucks' run to the title because they could play a 5 out offense and open up the lanes for Giannis.

Nurk becoming a legit 3pt shooter could have a similar impact to our already dynamic offense. Just leveraging that *threat* could be all that we need to add a few points per possession to our ORTG.

Worked kind of. He's a lifetime 34% shooter from 3. This year he is actually shooting better at about 40%.
In that playoff run he had a great series against Brooklyn. 11-27. But the rest not so much?
Miami he went 1-8
Atlanta he went 6-16
Phoenix he went 5-21

 

[illmatic99]

Worked kind of. He's a lifetime 34% shooter from 3. This year he is actually shooting better at about 40%.
In that playoff run he had a great series against Brooklyn. 11-27. But the rest not so much?
Miami he went 1-8
Atlanta he went 6-16
Phoenix he went 5-21

You're making my point for me. His efficiency was shit, but the fact that he kept shooting kept defenses honest. I need to dig the lineup stats but I would venture anything that having both him and Portis space the floor improved their offense compared to when they were on the bench.