Game Thread 2022-23 Game #45 - BLAZERS VS 76ERS - JANUARY 19, 2023 - THURSDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT (1 Viewer)

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blazerkor said:
I don't think Nurk is terrible either. I think he has a skill set that could be very valuable on a lot of teams... he just only chooses to use it half of the time. I think there has to be coaches out there that think they could get Nurk to keep the ball up high on paint touches, finish strong in the restricted area and dominate the paint defensively. Now they can also expect him to hit open threes but they definitely shouldn't look at him as a floor spreading big, just one that can keep defenses honest.

Chauncey wants him defending the P&R up at the level, he wants him blitzing, he wants him to switch and defend in space and that erases the best part of his game which is to deter guys from getting easy looks at the rim.
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I guess I should have said left wanting. He's so damned lackadaisical and refuses outright to beast. He does alot of good things and I agree Chauncey is not using him right. Maybe it's time to trade him.
 
illmatic99 said:
do you think this team was ready to play tonight? how about in denver?

i made the comment early in the game that it felt like we didn't even scout Philly with the kinda game we were playing on both ends. it was obvious to anyone who has seen the sixers play that we should speed up tempo tonight. yet we came out running sets that took ages, while sitting in drop against Harden P&Rs.

similar story in denver when we decided for some bizarre reason to speed up the game against an opponent who kills people nightly by getting out in transition.

the seemingly lack of preparation is a bad sign. but if he's coaching and the players aren't listening-- that's even worse. the players played like a team trying to get its coach fired in the first half.
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I hesitate to judge how "ready" a team is to play because there are so many behind the scene circumstances I'm unaware of. Corey Jez said the data indicated we got above average qaulity shots in the 1st half compared to our standard averages. I don't know where that data comes from though.

I do know in reading twitter and multiple teams message boards, virturally every fan base complains during/after losses about the following:
  • Lack of adjustments
  • Poor use of timeouts
  • Bad substitutions
  • Effort
  • Defending the 3, PnR, and/or drives to the basket.
  • Not getting to the rim enough
  • The refs
It's hard for me to believe all 30 NBA teams can be below average at the exact same things.
 
illmatic99 said:
do you think this team was ready to play tonight? how about in denver?

i made the comment early in the game that it felt like we didn't even scout Philly with the kinda game we were playing on both ends. it was obvious to anyone who has seen the sixers play that we should speed up tempo tonight. yet we came out running sets that took ages, while sitting in drop against Harden P&Rs.

similar story in denver when we decided for some bizarre reason to speed up the game against an opponent who kills people nightly by getting out in transition.

the seemingly lack of preparation is a bad sign. but if he's coaching and the players aren't listening-- that's even worse. the players played like a team trying to get its coach fired in the first half.
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Yeah, I don't know why but they have had really bad stretches of low energy basketball and it's not encouraging about this roster or the coaching staff. Chauncey preaches a lot of movement on both ends but that's not what we're seeing and he preaches passing because the ball can move faster than any player but when our guys pass half the time it's moving slower than any player because they are so lackadaisical.

It's rough to watch this team right now. The roster is a mess and they are playing less than inspired ball on both ends. I would like to see how Chauncey does with a roster that makes sense, especially one that makes sense with his philosophies but he's got to get the guys he has buying into those philosophies regardless of if they are succeeding or not. The effort to execute has to be there.
 
Tince said:
I hesitate to judge how "ready" a team is to play because there are so many behind the scene circumstances I'm unaware of. Corey Jez said the data indicated we got above average qaulity shots in the 1st half compared to our standard averages. I don't know where that data comes from though.

I do know in reading twitter and multiple teams message boards, virturally every fan base complains during/after loss esabout the following:
  • Lack of adjustments
  • Poor use of timeouts
  • Bad substitutions
  • Effort
  • Defending the 3, PnR, and/or drives to the basket.
  • Not getting to the rim enough
  • The refs
It's hard for me to believe all 30 NBA teams can be below average at the exact same things.
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just because every fan base complains about this, doesn't mean it doesn't apply to our coach.

i wanted chauncey, but he has been underwhelming in in-game situations; he has admitted as much. i just am getting tired of waiting for him to figure it out. we can't afford to have < .500 seasons with dame in his prime while he learns on the job. that was what last year was for.
 
illmatic99 said:
just because every fan base complains about this, doesn't mean it doesn't apply to our coach.

i wanted chauncey, but he has been underwhelming in in-game situations; he has admitted as much. i just am getting tired of waiting for him to figure it out.
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Correct.

Likewise... just because some of our fans are complaining about those exact same things, doesn't mean those things are happening and/or are a real problem.

I guess we'll never know which it is.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, I don't know why but they have had really bad stretches of low energy basketball and it's not encouraging about this roster or the coaching staff. Chauncey preaches a lot of movement on both ends but that's not what we're seeing and he preaches passing because the ball can move faster than any player but when our guys pass half the time it's moving slower than any player because they are so lackadaisical.

It's rough to watch this team right now. The roster is a mess and they are playing less than inspired ball on both ends. I would like to see how Chauncey does with a roster that makes sense, especially one that makes sense with his philosophies but he's got to get the guys he has buying into those philosophies regardless of if they are succeeding or not. The effort to execute has to be there.
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this roster was sold to us as having "his guys"
 
Chris Craig said:
I guess I should have said left wanting. He's so damned lackadaisical and refuses outright to beast. He does alot of good things and I agree Chauncey is not using him right. Maybe it's time to trade him.
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Oh he is the most aggravating player we've had on this team in a long time. The fact that he should be around a 60% field goal guy and he never has been. The biggest guy who gets PT in the league because he has great feet for his size and great hands for any basketball player should be forcing double teams and a ton of fouls in the paint but our guy just won't go up strong. I'm usually really happy with his defense but Chauncey is squandering that. His offense has been maddening for years.
 
wizenheimer said:
I sure wish Nurkic would have put up more of a fight against the two of them, and had a bigger impact. They outscored him 68-10; average of 34-5. And yeah, I understand that some of those points came against Eubanks. Blazers just needed a lot more offense from Nurkic...and a lot more BBIQ too
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That IQ is never coming.
 
Ant reading off a note sheet for every question in the post game seemed odd.
I've normally turned it off by then, so don't see post game interviews. Does that regularly happen?
 
illmatic99 said:
this roster was sold to us as having "his guys"
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I don't remember that but Cronin said that this roster is a work in progress, that he was aware that it wasn't balanced enough with size but he wanted to see what guys looked like playing together and then make decisions close to the trade deadline.

I think Chauncey has the type of guys he likes in Josh, Nas, Justise and Gary... I think he's got to love the way Jerami Grant plays. That's a lot of guys on this roster that play his way but all of them besides Jerami fill the same role and you can only and only two guys at a time on the court can fill that role and those guys make 30M between the four of them and they are just the hustle role players that you need. Dame has been playing the best defense of his career but he's again playing in the back court with the worst defender starting and he's not getting any kind of synergy with him.

Joe should see that Dame and Ant have the same issue of being a bad fit that Dame and CJ did. Joe should see that Nurk doesn't work in Chauncey's system. Joe has to see that we are woefully undersized. Let's see if he'll do anything about it.
 
Freshtown said:
No. But that doesn’t mean it was a mistake to fire him. It just means we may have replaced a mediocre coach with another mediocre coach.

If I have an abusive bf and leave him for another abusive bf, was it a mistake to leave the first one?
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I’ll take the abusive boyfriend who can take me to the playoffs.
 
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I can't help but think Terry would have junp started the offense over Chauncey and had better defense with this roster than the Melo Kanteer bench mob
 
We did see this coming during the preseason though. We just got fooled by that 10-4 start. Which in the grand scheme of things was just barley over 10 games of the season only. We should have known better basically
 
illmatic99 said:
to his credit, he finally changed the coverage against embiid but it was too late.

this has been my biggest gripe with chauncey. love his vision of what the team should be and the big picture stuff. and also love his propensity to change up stuff that doesn't work.

but he is glacially slow at making adjustments to counter. or even to deal with other team's counters. this is past the point of growing pains. as i said earlier in the thread before it got derailed by a stotts fan, chauncey has now coached for almost 130 games. he needs to have this stuff down now, or else he's gonna be another steve nash.

i kinda think he needs to either be an assistant or elevate himself into personnel decision roles. not sure he's ready to be head coach yet.
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You’d think the staff would cue him in on some of that stuff. Particularly, Scott Brooks who’s coached hundreds of NBA games and even took a team to the Finals

At the end of the day though if you can’t shoot in a shooters league you’re going to be in for a long night. 34 points at half is a joke. Brick after brick
 
illmatic99 said:
do you think this team was ready to play tonight? how about in denver?

i made the comment early in the game that it felt like we didn't even scout Philly with the kinda game we were playing on both ends. it was obvious to anyone who has seen the sixers play that we should speed up tempo tonight. yet we came out running sets that took ages, while sitting in drop against Harden P&Rs.

similar story in denver when we decided for some bizarre reason to speed up the game against an opponent who kills people nightly by getting out in transition.

the seemingly lack of preparation is a bad sign. but if he's coaching and the players aren't listening-- that's even worse. the players played like a team trying to get its coach fired in the first half.
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I just think people don’t understand that this team from top to bottom, position to position has a talent disparity against most of the league. We have absolutely no depth, no size and we rely on streaky jump shooting.

This team has no real identity. We made bad trades when it was obvious the talent in return wasn’t there, we went into the tax threshold for a 6’3” defensive specialist that has played a handful of games and had no real impact. It was obvious to a lot around here that we had to make more splashy moves or we wouldn’t be good.

We started the year playing way over our heads and then teams adjusted. The fan base overreacted (myself included) and set themselves up to be disappointed.

An undersized no defense front court, combined with no real length on the perimeter outside Grant, no depth and Uncle Fester manning the middle is a recipe for not being very good.
 
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/which-team-leads-the-nba-in-bench-scoring

Very interesting bench production stats. Do we have the worst bench in the league? Absolutely, dead last. But that can probably be attributed to our top 3 bench players being injured and missing so many games. However, after that, there seems to be no correlation with bench production and winning. In fact, there may even be an inverse correlation with bench production and winning.

The top 8 teams in bench scoring are .500 or below.

While the top 8 East teams in the standings are all in the bottom half of the league in bench scoring, with Milwaukee being the highest at 16th. Notably, Cleveland and Philly are 28th and 25th.

In the West, Denver is also in the bottom half at 17th in bench scoring. Memphis and Sacramento, 2nd and 3rd in the standings, are 10th and 9th in bench scoring.
 
TBpup said:
Ant reading off a note sheet for every question in the post game seemed odd.
I've normally turned it off by then, so don't see post game interviews. Does that regularly happen?
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It’s a stat sheet. He’s looking at the box score.
 
Nurkic and Simons were absolutely horrible, and Lillard was flopping around like a fish. Then the Blazers media is out here telling us it was a good game. Portland fans aren't stupid. This fake news stuff has become insulting.
 
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MickZagger said:
lol okay…
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Any given game brother. They shoot even their average they win that game. They were missing open looks. You don't win games when you score 14 points in the first quarter and 20 in the second. They scored 34 in the first half and 61 in the second.
 
outscored them in 2nd half. too little too late. I will say getting production from Nas is a good thing, be it for next year or as a trade chip.
 
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