Game Thread 2022-23 Game #54 - TRAIL BLAZERS VS BUCKS - FEBRUARY 6, 2023 - MONDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT, NBATV

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Whyachi said:
are the starters even going to come back after the All-Star break? Is Cronin setting up a new 25 game tank squad to finish this season? Blazers have enough bad players on the bench to lose a large amount of games rather quickly.
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This is the year to tank. You have a generational talent available....
 
TBpup said:
Sadly, he wasn't wrong. It was over in the first 3 minutes.
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No, I was commenting that this grown man types “LOL” after every post. Wonder if he’s says, “LOL” when standing around talking to other adults.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Weren't they looking for two picks last year as well? They tanked and were hoping to get a bump in the draft? That didn't work out so well obviously.
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It got us Sharpe, which (as I said) is the only good thing Cronin has done. So, yeah, I think it worked out just fine.

I don't know if Cronin was looking for picks or not last year. If he was, he failed. He also traded for Grant, which meant giving up draft capital for a dude who wasn't going to be a difference maker and was on the last year of his deal.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Bad offensive set. Dame is a good shooter from there, but that is not the shot you want to take.
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Dame had picked up his dribble and was looking for a teammate to get open to outlet the pass. His teammates, apparently, didn't know how to make themselves available (Eubanks did, but passing to Eubanks at mid-court against a set Bucks' half-court defense is not a good idea). That shot was a bit of frustration on Dame's part, IMO
 
wizenheimer said:
Dame had picked up his dribble and was looking for a teammate to get open to outlet the pass. His teammates, apparently, didn't know how to make themselves available (Eubanks did, but passing to Eubanks at mid-court against a set Bucks' half-court defense is not a good idea). That shot was a bit of frustration on Dame's part, IMO
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I got that impression also from the look on his face. He was wide open and he simply said "If you are going to leave me here I'm gonna shoot it".
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I got that impression also from the look on his face. He was wide open and he simply said "If you are going to leave me here I'm gonna shoot it".
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that could be true. It wouldn't have been a good look, trailing by 15, with most of the shot clock left, if he had bricked it
 
wizenheimer said:
that could be true. It wouldn't have been a good look, trailing by 15, with most of the shot clock left, if he had bricked it
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I was thinking this at the time. People often to get upset with the resutl of the shot much more than the quality of the shot. Being ok with that shot shouldn't depend on the end result.
 
Ed O said:
It got us Sharpe, which (as I said) is the only good thing Cronin has done. So, yeah, I think it worked out just fine.

I don't know if Cronin was looking for picks or not last year. If he was, he failed. He also traded for Grant, which meant giving up draft capital for a dude who wasn't going to be a difference maker and was on the last year of his deal.
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he gave up a protected pick for jerami grant. Grant isn’t a difference maker? What world am I living in?
 
blazedanugz said:
he gave up a protected pick for jerami grant. Grant isn’t a difference maker? What world am I living in?
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if you're living in Ed O's world, it's this one:

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blazedanugz said:
he gave up a protected pick for jerami grant. Grant isn’t a difference maker? What world am I living in?
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What difference has he made to the team this year?
They are 26-28 right now. Last year they were 21-33 at this point. Portland has won 5 more games. At least half of those have to be attributed to having Dame play 20 more games thus far this season.

So at best, Grant has made Portland 2-games better....
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
What difference has he made to the team this year?
They are 26-28 right now. Last year they were 21-33 at this point. Portland has won 5 more games. At least half of those have to be attributed to having Dame play 20 more games thus far this season.

So at best, Grant has made Portland 2-games better....
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lol a few weeks ago ppl thought he had a chance to make the all star team. He’s having a rough stretch right now…this place man I swear. So jerami grant is no longer an impactful player? HA
 
blazedanugz said:
lol a few weeks ago ppl thought he had a chance to make the all star team. He’s having a rough stretch right now…this place man I swear. So jerami grant is no longer an impactful player? HA
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The people who thought he had a chance at the all-star game were delusional.
Grant is a good player. He can score really well, but he's an average defender, a poor passer/facilitator, and an atrocious rebounder. He's not so elite at scoring to compensate for the weaknesses in the other parts of his game.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
The people who thought he had a chance at the all-star game were delusional.
Grant is a good player. He can score really well, but he's an average defender, a poor passer/facilitator, and an atrocious rebounder. He's not so elite at scoring to compensate for the weaknesses in the other parts of his game.
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we got him for a protected first…look at what players price tags are right now. Jerami grant for a shorty first round pick is a win 100/100 times
 
Ed O said:
It got us Sharpe, which (as I said) is the only good thing Cronin has done. So, yeah, I think it worked out just fine.

I don't know if Cronin was looking for picks or not last year. If he was, he failed. He also traded for Grant, which meant giving up draft capital for a dude who wasn't going to be a difference maker and was on the last year of his deal.
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Suggesting Grant isn't a difference-maker on one hand while also praising Sharpe on the other, is a pretty wild take.

I wouldn't trade Grant for Jalen Duren.
 
I didn't watch the game last night but was surprised that Shaedon could play for 24 minutes and not score?
 
Hoopguru said:
I didn't watch the game last night but was surprised that Shaedon could play for 24 minutes and not score?
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Not very surprising for a 19 year old rookie. He’ll hopefully learn from nights like this.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Nurk has a higher 3P% (0.390) than either Simons (0.386) or Dame (0.370).

Making enough 3's is not the issue with Nurk.
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You just listed % and then said made 3's is NOT the issue. Dame and Simons have far more made 3's than Nurk, so making enough is the issue.
 
Nurk's 3 point percentage is good -- on uncontested 3 pointers. There's no fucking way Nurk can make threes under the kind of pressure Dame and Ant face. I don't even know why this is a point of discussion.
 
BBert said:
Nurk's 3 point percentage is good -- on uncontested 3 pointers. There's no fucking way Nurk can make threes under the kind of pressure Dame and Ant face. I don't even know why this is a point of discussion.
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It’s not really. The original post was not supposed to be serious. At least I don’t think so? Kinda was a snarky sarcastic tone type post?
 
Tince said:
Suggesting Grant isn't a difference-maker on one hand while also praising Sharpe on the other, is a pretty wild take.

I wouldn't trade Grant for Jalen Duren.
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We tale Grant off this team and we take Sharpe off of this team, then the team has a couple more wins with Grant.

Both of those are non-playoff teams, and that ALONE makes Sharpe more valuable than Grant. That Sharpe makes a fraction of what Grant does and that he's on a rookie scale contract just augments that.

It's not a wild take if one takes net present value into account, rather than just who is a better player right now.

And I'd much rather have Duren than Grant. He is a bigger and about a decade younger. Cheaper. All the things that the team needs as we look to the future, and shoots 66% from the field while getting TWICE as many rebounds per game in 2/3 of the minutes.
 
blazedanugz said:
he gave up a protected pick for jerami grant. Grant isn’t a difference maker? What world am I living in?
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If you disagree and think Grant is helping this team be where it wants to be, then you're living in some sort of fantasy world.

You know that we're playing our top players 35+ minutes a game and we're still outside of the play-in tourney, right? You know that's the real world, right?
 
Ed O said:
We tale Grant off this team and we take Sharpe off of this team, then the team has a couple more wins with Grant.

Both of those are non-playoff teams, and that ALONE makes Sharpe more valuable than Grant. That Sharpe makes a fraction of what Grant does and that he's on a rookie scale contract just augments that.

It's not a wild take if one takes net present value into account, rather than just who is a batter player right now.
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How much Grant makes has nothing to do with how much of a difference maker he is. If we're switching your stance from difference maker to value, then that's a different discussion. Sharpe will be the 15th young future star on this roster in the last two decades. The problem is we've only ended up with 3-4 stars in that time period.

It sounds like we're defining difference maker differently. Grant is a top 50 difference maker in my eyes. 4-5 extra wins a year is a big deal for a player to add.

Does Sharpe have the potential to be better than Grant down the road? Of course. Is there a real possibility he's never as good as Grant is today? Of course.
 
Ed O said:
If you disagree and think Grant is helping this team be where it wants to be, then you're living in some sort of fantasy world.

You know that we're playing our top players 35+ minutes a game and we're still outside of the play-in tourney, right? You know that's the real world, right?
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you know that since day 1 of of Cronin taking over the job, he has said we are a work in progress. We are not a championship team, we know we aren’t good enough, we still have a lot of work to do. Jerami grant is a great piece. He’s the best wing we’ve had since..I don’t know when. I’m sorry your patience is running thin. I sympathize with you…I want us to be better right away too but this is the NBA. We got grant for a first round pick…grant is absolutely helping this team. If you can’t see that then I don’t know what to tell you
 
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