Game Thread 2022-23 Game #71 - BLAZERS VS CLIPPERS - MARCH 19, 2023 - SUNDAY - 6:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

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THE HCP said:
Wow. That's kinda sad man. As a kid growing up and as I got older, I NEVER missed games EVER!
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I haven't missed a game in many seasons but I have tuned out quite a few quarters last two seasons and lost a lot of optimism that we can win games as constructed.
 
riverman said:
I'm way less engaged in this team this season and last season because they still haven't found a core identity or chemistry and they are in the bottom of the league on defense ...glad I have other things to focus on when a game is on because I can only handle so many 7 minute stretches without making a basket..face it...the team has sucked in almost every 4th quarter this season. You get paid to watch games though so as a Laker fan...it must be hard work for you to hang in there eh?
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Of course I watch now, but like I said above, I would never miss a game ever. Just too big of a fan. This team is right where they should be in the standings, no doubt. No reason for "fans" to stop supporting them.
 
THE HCP said:
Sir, I am nobody to critique other's reading comprehension, but you need to go back and re-read my post. At no point did I say, "Ant and Dame have no talent". Your reading skills this morning are ass!
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I know a Laker fan's disdain when I read it but as far as ass in the morning...there's a Mrs HCP joke there somewhere.....hold my beer!
 
THE HCP said:
Sir, I am nobody to critique other's reading comprehension, but you need to go back and re-read my post. At no point did I say, "Ant and Dame have no talent". Your reading skills this morning are ass!
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If you've watched all the games you can explain why Trendon Watford is our go to scorer in the 4th qtr? That's coaching bro.
 
riverman said:
If you've watched all the games you can explain why Trendon Watford is our go to scorer in the 4th qtr? That's coaching bro.
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Seems like during the recent 4th quarters, it's nothing more than a summer league game, so trying to figure out game play and rotations is completely out the window my man.
 
Ed O said:
I don't think your opinion is an educated or popular one.

He's commonly listed/mentioned as one of the best current NBA players to not make an all-star team.
https://hoopshabit.com/2021/03/08/nba-best-current-players-never-star-game/6/
https://www.ranker.com/list/nba-players-never-made-all-star-game/patrick-alexander
https://www.si.com/nba/pelicans/nba/cj-mccollum-snubbed-nba-all-star-game-voters
https://edge.twinspires.com/nba/the-best-players-to-never-make-an-nba-all-star-team/ (best ever, not just current)
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/2/23/22298428/mike-conley-all-star-reservers-snub

That's five links from a quick search. I'm sure there are dozens more.

It's possible the rest of the world is wrong and you're right, of course.
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"CJ will be an all-star if he gets his own team"...."CJ would be an all-star in the East"...rinse/repeat

CJ has his own team now, and he's been able to play most of the season without sharing the ball with Zion while Ingram is only going to play about half of the games. He's getting the kind of chances, without Dame, that his fans have always said would lead to an all-star berth and the reality is he was further away from the game this season than he has been for years. Harden, DeRozan, Bridges, and Mtichell have all gone West-->East and CJ wasn't any closer because guys like Doncic, Morant, & Fox have entered the league and passed CJ by while others like Bane, Edwards, & Poole have quickly reached, or passed, CJ's level

CJ may be better than Simons, but it isn't by much, and that's a gauge with no value
 
THE HCP said:
Do "fans" really stop watching Blazer games when they suck?
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You're damn right. I even managed to sell my tickets to last night's game - but otherwise I just would've let them go unused. Bad enough between last season and this current last two months the franchise is actively not trying to win games. They already have stolen my money by not providing the promised product. They won't be stealing any more of my time.
 
I went to the game last night with my son. We split season tickets and go to about 20 games a year. The rest we watch on tv.

Even though this team has a terrible record, I still watch. I enjoy basketball and always root for the Blazers to win. I’m a fan.

Am I disappointed in how this season has turned out? Hell yeah. The Blazers have way too much talent to have the dismal record they do. No excuse. I blame the player, the coach, the GM, and the owner. (The only person I don’t blame is me!)

With all that said, I’m going to enjoy each and every game and root for them to win. And with every loss, I’m going to take solace that it moves the Blazers a bit closer to a higher draft pick that may pay dividends 2-3 years down the road.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I went to the game last night with my son. We split season tickets and go to about 20 games a year. The rest we watch on tv.

Even though this team has a terrible record, I still watch. I enjoy basketball and always root for the Blazers to win. I’m a fan.

Am I disappointed in how this season has turned out? Hell yeah. The Blazers have way too much talent to have the dismal record they do. No excuse. I blame the player, the coach, the GM, and the owner. (The only person I don’t blame is me!)

With all that said, I’m going to enjoy each and every game and root for them to win. And with every loss, I’m going to take solace that it moves the Blazers a bit closer to a higher draft pick that may pay dividends 2-3 years down the road.
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I think the only way that pick takes that long to pay dividends is if we keep it but I think the only way we keep it is if it's number one or we're trading Dame... in both scenarios, then the pick plays automatically and therefore pays dividends (obviously I'm pretty damn high on Wemby and his ability make an immediate impact, especially if he's the third or fourth scoring option).
 
wizenheimer said:
"CJ will be an all-star if he gets his own team"...."CJ would be an all-star in the East"...rinse/repeat

CJ has his own team now, and he's been able to play most of the season without sharing the ball with Zion while Ingram is only going to play about half of the games. He's getting the kind of chances, without Dame, that his fans have always said would lead to an all-star berth and the reality is he was further away from the game this season than he has been for years. Harden, DeRozan, Bridges, and Mtichell have all gone West-->East and CJ wasn't any closer because guys like Doncic, Morant, & Fox have entered the league and passed CJ by while others like Bane, Edwards, & Poole have quickly reached, or passed, CJ's level

CJ may be better than Simons, but it isn't by much, and that's a gauge with no value
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You've been harping on that for a while now. CJ's peak was probably 2-3 years ago, so what he's doing now has little bearing on what he could have done in that role then.
 
handiman said:
You've been harping on that for a while now. CJ's peak was probably 2-3 years ago, so what he's doing now has little bearing on what he could have done in that role then.
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LOL....c'mon man....really?

CJ is more than a year younger than Dame, and Dame is having his best season ever at 32...but CJ's "peak" was when he was 28?
 
I watch every game. I watched the Championship game. I want the team to win and be successful and earn another championship as much as anyone here. However, at this point in the season I'm not concerned about wins, which would be pointless. I'm just looking at all the individual players. And I criticize plenty when I see bad or missed plays. I love the game and I love the Blazers. Good teams come and go. My fandom tells me that we will be good again. In the meantime, there are more important things in life to me than whether people who are not me are winning games. And I will continue to watch. If any disaffected fans have free tickets to pass on, you can pass them on to me.

:cheers:
 
42N8Bounce said:
With every loss, I’m going to take solace that it moves the Blazers a bit closer to a higher draft pick that may pay dividends 2-3 years down the road.
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That’s what Blazer fans do every year, and what they’ve doing for an eternity. It’s like we’re reaching for a twinkling star that is forever out of our grasp.
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL....c'mon man....really?

CJ is more than a year younger than Dame, and Dame is having his best season ever at 32...but CJ's "peak" was when he was 28?
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Right, because everyone peaks at the same age. I see why you stick to statistical arguments...
 
42N8Bounce said:
I went to the game last night with my son. We split season tickets and go to about 20 games a year. The rest we watch on tv.

Even though this team has a terrible record, I still watch. I enjoy basketball and always root for the Blazers to win. I’m a fan.

Am I disappointed in how this season has turned out? Hell yeah. The Blazers have way too much talent to have the dismal record they do. No excuse. I blame the player, the coach, the GM, and the owner. (The only person I don’t blame is me!)

With all that said, I’m going to enjoy each and every game and root for them to win. And with every loss, I’m going to take solace that it moves the Blazers a bit closer to a higher draft pick that may pay dividends 2-3 years down the road.
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Sucks for you and the other season ticket holders who have to watch 11 more losses.
 
handiman said:
Right, because everyone peaks at the same age. I see why you stick to statistical arguments...
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Yeah right, stats don't do justice to the full CJ story; except when they do. That's kind of ridiculous, by the way, because try and justify CJ's supposed all-star status without using stats...But let's shift it to a logical argument if you prefer, or an illogical one to be more precise. Are you really going to make the argument that CJ "peaked" at 28? And if he'd only been a lead guard a couple of years ago he'd have been so much better than he was this season he'd have been an all-star? geeeeezuz
 
Bingo Bango said:
That’s what Blazer fans do every year, and what they’ve doing for an eternity. It’s like we’re reaching for a twinkling star that is forever out of our grasp.
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Only for the last two seasons. We'd made the playoffs the prior 8 seasons, so all of us were hoping that every game was a win at that point. No one was reaching for a draft pick that is like a twinkling star that is blah blah blah.
 
BlazerBeav said:
You're damn right. I even managed to sell my tickets to last night's game - but otherwise I just would've let them go unused. Bad enough between last season and this current last two months the franchise is actively not trying to win games. They already have stolen my money by not providing the promised product. They won't be stealing any more of my time.
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In good times and bad?
 
THE HCP said:
Way to support your team bro. And to think.....alot on here claim that I'M not a real fan.
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Lets not get too far out of context here. I know i support the team no matter what. I'm just not going to make watching a team lose on purpose a priority right now. Yes they are trying to lose on purpose and i think you realize that by now.
In the coming days you will watch the total transformation to not playing Lillard and most likely limiting minutes for Grant, Nurk and i would presume Simons as well.
Since the day Lillard was supposed to have said "The Time is NOW" they have lost 6 straight. Believe me I am not the only one that was right there with Lillard thinking "Yep if they are going to do it it's gotta be now".
There is 11 games left. If they go on an 11 game winning streak they end up 42-40 which might get them the #10 or even the #9 spot. I think you know that won't be happening this year.

I have recently adopted two children. A little boy who turns 3 next month and CPS decided that we were the best option for his sister who is now almost 18 months old. That little boy's name happens to be Johnny by the way. Hopefully he's as big of a Blazer fan as you and I some day. Yes i will be watching the games when i have time but I'm just a little more inclined to get my deck built in the coming weeks so i can enjoy the summer this year and when I'm watching those games that remain I'll most likely be paying more attention to the kids.

I keep my eye on the Blazers always. Just less inclined to make a tanking team my priority. Never play to lose has always been my thinking. Right now Chauncey is coaching a team to lose.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Lets not get too far out of context here. I know i support the team no matter what. I'm just not going to make watching a team lose on purpose a priority right now. Yes they are trying to lose on purpose and i think you realize that by now.
In the coming days you will watch the total transformation to not playing Lillard and most likely limiting minutes for Grant, Nurk and i would presume Simons as well.
Since the day Lillard was supposed to have said "The Time is NOW" they have lost 6 straight. Believe me I am not the only one that was right there with Lillard thinking "Yep if they are going to do it it's gotta be now".
There is 11 games left. If they go on an 11 game winning streak they end up 42-40 which might get them the #10 or even the #9 spot. I think you know that won't be happening this year.

I have recently adopted two children. A little boy who turns 3 next month and CPS decided that we were the best option for his sister who is now almost 18 months old. That little boy's name happens to be Johnny by the way. Hopefully he's as big of a Blazer fan as you and I some day. Yes i will be watching the games when i have time but I'm just a little more inclined to get my deck built in the coming weeks so i can enjoy the summer this year and when I'm watching those games that remain I'll most likely be paying more attention to the kids.

I keep my eye on the Blazers always. Just less inclined to make a tanking team my priority. Never play to lose has always been my thinking. Right now Chauncey is coaching a team to lose.
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I’m pretty sure the time is now speech was right before the 71 point game win over Houston.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Lets not get too far out of context here. I know i support the team no matter what. I'm just not going to make watching a team lose on purpose a priority right now. Yes they are trying to lose on purpose and i think you realize that by now.
In the coming days you will watch the total transformation to not playing Lillard and most likely limiting minutes for Grant, Nurk and i would presume Simons as well.
Since the day Lillard was supposed to have said "The Time is NOW" they have lost 6 straight. Believe me I am not the only one that was right there with Lillard thinking "Yep if they are going to do it it's gotta be now".
There is 11 games left. If they go on an 11 game winning streak they end up 42-40 which might get them the #10 or even the #9 spot. I think you know that won't be happening this year.

I have recently adopted two children. A little boy who turns 3 next month and CPS decided that we were the best option for his sister who is now almost 18 months old. That little boy's name happens to be Johnny by the way. Hopefully he's as big of a Blazer fan as you and I some day. Yes i will be watching the games when i have time but I'm just a little more inclined to get my deck built in the coming weeks so i can enjoy the summer this year and when I'm watching those games that remain I'll most likely be paying more attention to the kids.

I keep my eye on the Blazers always. Just less inclined to make a tanking team my priority. Never play to lose has always been my thinking. Right now Chauncey is coaching a team to lose.
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Also- I think an 11 game win streak would give us the 6th seed.
 
handiman said:
And those two years correspond to when Ant has done all his scoring. Since you're comparing his age/scoring impact to CJ's, leaving out the team equation makes it completely meaningless.
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Not at all.

Good players don't suddenly get worse when they're on a good team (or vice versa). There are, of course, some players that will produce better (or worse) on a team depending on how good it is, but it's not like an all-star gets traded to a good team and suddenly he sucks, or a bad player goes to a bad team and gets good.

Going back to the start of their careers: if you have a player that doesn't produce on a good team, or a team that DOES produce on a bad team, I would bet on the latter any day of the week.
 
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