Game Thread 2024-25 GAME #38 - BLAZERS VS HEAT - JAN 11, 2025 - SAT - 7:00 PM - CHARGE - KUNP - BLAZERVISION

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Shaedon scoring tonight, but 12 or 13 missed shot and 6 turnovers. Yuck.
 
Bad loss. Low quality play. Scoot should have stayed home tonight.
 
If and it's a big IF, Ant's value around the league had been depressed by his early season shooting, that has now been rehabilitated.

Still hoping for trades of Ant and Jerami really soon... hopefully the returns make sense (picks, prospects and no vets that need playing time).

The third quarter was nice. That break with the behind the head pass from Shaedon to Donovan was so much fun. There was a really scary moment from Deni where he was just laying there holding his knee but that turned out alright.

For those of you mad about tonight, I do wish we came out with more energy and could have sustained the kind of play we saw in the third but we got some good run for our young guys tonight and had some really competitive moments. I didn't find this game particularly painful to watch.
 
What's the vision for Scoot if he never becomes a scoring threat?
 
B-Roy said:
What's the vision for Scoot if he never becomes a scoring threat?
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He could stay a less potent scoring threat and become a Ricky Rubio type but he just has to become a better decision maker everywhere on the court. I think if his decision making comes around some how, he will be a better scorer than Rubio. If he can get his BBIQ up then he'll be a star... that doesn't seem to be happening though, so we're still waiting to see but we're seeing more and more.
 
I know this a sensitive subject. Trying not to draw any conclusions. Just looking at trends -

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Last year, 15% of Scoot's games were 'good', 32% were 'bad'.

This year, 13% of Scoot's games have been 'good', and 37% have been 'bad'.

Do the Blazers need to play him more and get him more game time experience? Does coaching drive a big part of this lack of progress?

Early in the game Scoot drove to the left and had an opportunity for the left-handed layup but opted for the difficult up and under using his right hand and missing the shot. How does a player make it into the NBA, and be a second-year player, and still be so right hand dominant? Is this on the player, the coaching staff, or both?
 
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My in depth analysis of the Blazers

Billups is trash
Billups’ rotations are trash
Ant is Trash
Sharpe’s handles are trash
Scoot’s shooting is trash
Clingan’s hands are trash
Calabro is trash
Banton is trash
The teams 3 point defense is trash
The team who tanked properly and gets Cooper Flagg is trash
 
Mediocre Man said:
My in depth analysis of the Blazers

Billups is trash
Billups’ rotations are trash
Ant is Trash
Sharpe’s handles are trash
Scoot’s shooting is trash
Clingan’s hands are trash
Calabro is trash
Banton is trash
The teams 3 point defense is trash
The team who tanked properly and gets Cooper Flagg is trash
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Even the Blazers free-throw defense is 27th in the league. Trash!
 
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Ripcity4life77 said:
How does Billups still have a job ? -- NM -- were tanking without it being super obvious like it's been the past couple seasons.


Cronin and / or ownership is either clueless or more likely do not care as long as the team makes some money and keeps the fans coming in.

We are in dark days as Blazer fans and if some fans are still behind Cronin and co. then i have some ocean front property to sell to you really cheap in Montana .

We fans need to stand up and boycott this team or something cause we have to force this front offices hands at some point or they will continue to walk over this fan base -- time to say enough is enough. --
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And I think we’re on a great path, high lottery picks, drafting promising talent, seeing flashes of greatness, and have a good shot at another high lottery pick. This is how you build a winner in Portland. Be patient. Look at Houston and OKC if you need to be comforted.
 
PCmor7 said:
It's getting to the point where the only time you want to see Clingan touching the basketball is when he's blocking a shot. Now he's not just losing the rebounds, he's scoring putbacks for the other team.
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It was an 18-2 run and Clingan scored their 2. So WE actually scored 20 points in a row.
 
Cugel said:
A most frustrating situation for a fan. I just want to see a ray of light from this organization now and then. But there is no way this team makes the post season in less than 5 years. Nfw. There aren’t enough draft picks for Joe to acquire the necessary talent by 2030.

POR = WAS = DET from a few years ago.

The idea of a quick rebuild was utter bullshit. POR is clearly the worst org in the west and it ain’t close.

until I see otherwise the Vulcans, Cronin, and Billups don’t have the answers
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Here’s a ray of light:


Lots of rays of light. We had an 18-2 run tonight. Nearly went 4-1 on our road trip. 4-6 in our last 10. Scoot hit a game winner and recently had a 12-12 game from the free throw line. Shaedon’s been playing very well despite poor shooting tonight. Clingan produces for us when we play him. Deni and Camara are championship role players who could develop into more.
 
Cugel said:
A most frustrating situation for a fan. I just want to see a ray of light from this organization now and then. But there is no way this team makes the post season in less than 5 years. Nfw. There aren’t enough draft picks for Joe to acquire the necessary talent by 2030.

POR = WAS = DET from a few years ago.

The idea of a quick rebuild was utter bullshit. POR is clearly the worst org in the west and it ain’t close.
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I’d rather be us than the Suns or Warriors. Lakers and Clippers are poorly run too.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I know this a sensitive subject. Trying not to draw any conclusions. Just looking at trends -

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Last year, 15% of Scoot's games were 'good', 32% were 'bad'.

This year, 13% of Scoot's games have been 'good', and 37% have been 'bad'.

Do the Blazers need to play him more and get him more game time experience? Does coaching drive a big part of this lack of progress?

Early in the game Scoot drove to the left and had an opportunity for the left-handed layup but opted for the difficult up and under using his right hand and missing the shot. How does a player make it into the NBA, and be a second-year player, and still be so right hand dominant? Is this on the player, the coaching staff, or both?
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I'd blame it on the staff and the situation before I'd blame it on Scoot.

He needs to get a left though. That's on him.
 
Scoot needs to start. Putting him in 5 minutes into the game because we have to start Ant is dumb to me. I don’t think Ant’s defense is good enough for him to be a starter on a winning team. Not for us, that is. Get whatever you can get for him.
 
KingSpeed said:
Scoot needs to start. Putting him in 5 minutes into the game because we have to start Ant is dumb to me. I don’t think Ant’s defense is good enough for him to be a starter on a winning team. Not for us, that is. Get whatever you can get for him.
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I'm all for developing player, but I think starting needs to be earned.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I'm all for developing player, but I think starting needs to be earned.
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Nah. We started Dame from Day 1- 40 minutes per game- with no PG signed to compete with him. He didn’t have to earn anything. Scoot and Dame are different players but with some guys, they have to take in a whole game to play well. Not everyone can play 6th man. Scoot needs to start and finish games. He needs to be able to read a game, read his teammates, and then orchestrate a path to the finish line. Scoot is not being allowed to do this. Can you imagine if Dame’s rookie year was playing for a coach who only plays rookies if they defend? Dame had everything handed to him in Portland. And even then, we ended the season with 13 consecutive losses.
 
Tonight that Herro, Jovic, Jacquez trade for Lillard would’ve been nice.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I'm all for developing player, but I think starting needs to be earned.
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I personally don't care if Scoot starts or not if and hopefully when we move Ant. I just don't want any of his minutes to be played with a guy like Ant. Moving Ant is also about clearing the runway for Shaedon who I think has earned the right to be the number one option on a high lottery, rebuilding team.

For Scoot I just want him to have the onus on him when he's in the game. They should probably play him as many minutes without Shaedon as possible for a while too. Ant just gums up the development and I'm sorry after seeing the way Ant can light it up as a first option, I have a really hard time believing there aren't a few teams out there who wouldn't want him as a third or maybe even second scoring option, obviously with a lot of really good defenders to play with him.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I'm all for developing player, but I think starting needs to be earned.
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Agree.

Ant was a -1 for the game
Sharpe -18
Scoot -17
Deni- 16

Yes the +/1 does not paint the whole picture, and Yes, we can debate whether or not to trade Ant so that we can tank more easily, but criticizing Ant's performance as of late is
silly, as is making excuses for Scoot's performance on the fact he is not starting. He entered the game at the 7.32 mark with the Blazers up 10-9. So how bad could Ant's D have been while "starting"?
 
42N8Bounce said:
I know this a sensitive subject. Trying not to draw any conclusions. Just looking at trends -

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Last year, 15% of Scoot's games were 'good', 32% were 'bad'.

This year, 13% of Scoot's games have been 'good', and 37% have been 'bad'.

Do the Blazers need to play him more and get him more game time experience? Does coaching drive a big part of this lack of progress?

Early in the game Scoot drove to the left and had an opportunity for the left-handed layup but opted for the difficult up and under using his right hand and missing the shot. How does a player make it into the NBA, and be a second-year player, and still be so right hand dominant? Is this on the player, the coaching staff, or both?
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last year, Scoot started in 52% of his games and he averaged 28.5 minutes (32 games starting). This season he's started in 9% of his games (3 games) and he's averaging 25.7 minutes. Now, I don't know if there's any correlation between good/bad games, starting, and more minutes.

But I do think the Blazers might need to try him as a starter and give him at least 30 min/game for a long stretch of games before they can truly know what they have in Scoot. Unfortunately, that likely won't happen with Simoss and Chauncey around

it is kind of strange that Scoot averaged 3 more minutes when the Blazers had Brogdon, Simons, & Sharpe
 
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B-Roy said:
What's the vision for Scoot if he never becomes a scoring threat?
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I think he has to focus on his strengths: speed and strength. Try to be a poor man's Westbrook. I am not sure what the coaches are doing with him. He looks very cautious, afraid to make a mistake, and is not really helping the team.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I know this a sensitive subject. Trying not to draw any conclusions. Just looking at trends -

View attachment 69735

Last year, 15% of Scoot's games were 'good', 32% were 'bad'.

This year, 13% of Scoot's games have been 'good', and 37% have been 'bad'.

Do the Blazers need to play him more and get him more game time experience? Does coaching drive a big part of this lack of progress?

Early in the game Scoot drove to the left and had an opportunity for the left-handed layup but opted for the difficult up and under using his right hand and missing the shot. How does a player make it into the NBA, and be a second-year player, and still be so right hand dominant? Is this on the player, the coaching staff, or both?
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And none of his good games this year are as good as his best five games last year. And yes, I think coaching has a lot to do with it.
 
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