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I don't know why we're still debating this when it's going to be Demin at #11. If the Blazers get #16, I kind of doubt they would draft Jase.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It's amazing how you've gone so passionately from Anti CJ to Anti Ant to already Anti Jase.
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is it really that "amazing" to you? I've been saying the same thing for years: I do not like undersized no-defense combo guards. Maybe Jase is a better defender than CJ and Simons; maybe he's not. Won't know till he's in the NBA and a couple of years into his career. But for sure he's undersized
 
wizenheimer said:
is it really that "amazing" to you? I've been saying the same thing for years: I do not like undersized no-defense combo guards. Maybe Jase is a better defender than CJ and Simons; maybe he's not. Won't know till he's in the NBA and a couple of years into his career. But for sure he's undersized
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Almost as though you have a type lol
 
Sheldon Shape said:
I don't know why we're still debating this when it's going to be Demin at #11. If the Blazers get #16, I kind of doubt they would draft Jase.
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Interesting his best comp is Banton. When reading up on him, Dalano was the first player that came to mind.
 
HailBlazers said:
Interesting his best comp is Banton. When reading up on him, Dalano was the first player that came to mind.
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Demin is the best passer of the draft. Banton isn't that at all. Banton is a good driver where Demin is bashful about getting to the rim. Similar size but very different skill sets.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Almost as though you have a type lol
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you know, even after 7 years of hating CJ next to Dame, when Cronin dismantled the Olshey roster, as the next season approached I was willing to give Simons a chance next to Dame. "He's not CJ" was my thinking....maybe it will be a different dynamic. I was right and wrong. Simons is not CJ...he's worse. CJ's defense looked like Tony Allen compared to Simons. It's true that Simons didn't pound the ball quite as much as CJ did, but he still is a ball-dominant guard guilty of hooplock way too much

it's a shame...after Matthews it has now been a full decade of CJ-->Simons. 10 long years of the same shit. And I'm guessing the long nightmare is not over
 
Sheldon Shape said:
I don't know why we're still debating this when it's going to be Demin at #11. If the Blazers get #16, I kind of doubt they would draft Jase.
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If we got Demin at 11 and get the 16th pick in an Ant trade then I'd love it if we took Fleming. He can defend pretty much every position, he shoots really well from three and finishes around the hole. He can play wing or post. I also just like his attitude and the grit he plays with. Obviously the big reason why he's going outside of the lotto is that he doesn't really create offense for himself or others but he plays within his skill set and doesn't turn the ball over much.
 
blazerkor said:
If we got Demin at 11 and get the 16th pick in an Ant trade then I'd love it if we took Fleming. He can defend pretty much every position, he shoots really well from three and finishes around the hole. He can play wing or post. I also just like his attitude and the grit he plays with. Obviously the big reason why he's going outside of the lotto is that he doesn't really create offense for himself or others but he plays within his skill set and doesn't turn the ball over much.
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That would be an exciting draft. Coward and Bryant would also be acceptable picks at #16 if they're available.
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
BPA doesn't necessarily mean highest upside. That would just be who has the highest ceiling as a player. So a player with a higher floor can be better BPA. Think of BPA as more like expected future value. Although I agree that potential does factor strongly.

I just try to think of it mostly as the value to the other 29 teams 5 years from now. BPA tries to ignore considerations specific to your team, specific to your roster, or short term development challenges.
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it must be nice to be the omnipotent arbiter of the english language and know what everyone truly means when using vague terms. Who assigned you this awesome responsibility?

STOMP
 
wizenheimer said:
not worth a thread but what do people think the odds actually are for Portland getting the 16th pick from Orlando for Simons

I'm guessing around 18.74%
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Good question. It certainly would make the next 13 days, 8 hours, and 10 minutes more entertaining if we knew.
 
wizenheimer said:
not worth a thread but what do people think the odds actually are for Portland getting the 16th pick from Orlando for Simons

I'm guessing around 18.74%
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I actually think it’s closer to 50% IF the rumors of multiple teams calling PDX for Ant are true.
 
LayneStaley said:
I actually think it’s closer to 50% IF the rumors of multiple teams calling PDX for Ant are true.
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I hope you're right

some of my pessimism is rooted in looking at Orlando's future tax/apron situation. I think Simons at 25-35M/year is too rich for them
 
wizenheimer said:
I hope you're right

some of my pessimism is rooted in looking at Orlando's future tax/apron situation. I think Simons at 25-35M/year is too rich for them
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Maybe they think they can get a home team discount. If Simons has a great year for them, then he might demand that amount. But if he doesn't, then who else has the cap space to overpay him? I am one of his biggest fans, but even I would not give him more than about 25 million per unless he proves he will start for them.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Maybe they think they can get a home team discount. If Simons has a great year for them, then he might demand that amount. But if he doesn't, then who else has the cap space to overpay him? I am one of his biggest fans, but even I would not give him more than about 25 million per unless he proves he will start for them.
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sure...long term there are some options

but the nearly 28M salary of Simons next season is a bit awkward. Or rather, Orlando's tax/apron situation makes things a bit awkward. I'm just doing this from memory but I believe Orlando is schedules for a little over 199M in payroll next season...about 11M over the tax line and 3-4M over the first apron

but they have 3 relief valves: the TO's on Moritz Wagner, Gary Harris, and Corey Joseph. The two TO's for Harris and Joseph combine for about 10-11M so waiving those players would put Orlando right around the tax line. Wagner's TO is for 11M, but Magic fans at RealGM are pretty convinced Orlando won't waive him

meaning about the cleanest trade would be to agree before the draft to do the deal after July 1. That would be Simons for Isaac, Anthony + 16. Isaac+Anthony have combined salary slightly above Simons so that would make for a legal trade by CBA rules. Orlando fans don't care about Anthony but many like what Isaac brings. Probably would have some who would reject that trade. Not sure that the Orlando front office would though. And their tax/apron situation may make that FO look at the scale 4.5M salary of the 16th pick as good to shed

Isaac has a pretty interesting contract that offer an off ramp too
 
wizenheimer said:
sure...long term there are some options

but the nearly 28M salary of Simons next season is a bit awkward. Or rather, Orlando's tax/apron situation makes things a bit awkward. I'm just doing this from memory but I believe Orlando is schedules for a little over 199M in payroll next season...about 11M over the tax line and 3-4M over the first apron

but they have 3 relief valves: the TO's on Moritz Wagner, Gary Harris, and Corey Joseph. The two TO's for Harris and Joseph combine for about 10-11M so waiving those players would put Orlando right around the tax line. Wagner's TO is for 11M, but Magic fans at RealGM are pretty convinced Orlando won't waive him

meaning about the cleanest trade would be to agree before the draft to do the deal after July 1. That would be Simons for Isaac, Anthony + 16. Isaac+Anthony have combined salary slightly above Simons so that would make for a legal trade by CBA rules. Orlando fans don't care about Anthony but many like what Isaac brings. Probably would have some who would reject that trade. Not sure that the Orlando front office would though. And their tax/apron situation may make that FO look at the scale 4.5M salary of the 16th pick as good to shed

Isaac has a pretty interesting contract that offer an off ramp too
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I can see them wanting to hold on to Isaac. I think eliminating the duplication of KCP-Simons makes the most sense for the Magic. Yes, I know KCP is the better defender, but Ant is the better offensive player, or there would be no need for Orlando to trade for him. The duplication is the salary.

I would prefer not to take filler back so that the Blazers pick up extra cap space, but if it is the only way to get #16, then maybe they throw in Jet Howard or Black. Their choice. I assume Orlando likes both, but at some point, they need to choose between all their players and the tax.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I can see them wanting to hold on to Isaac. I think eliminating the duplication of KCP-Simons makes the most sense for the Magic. Yes, I know KCP is the better defender, but Ant is the better offensive player, or there would be no need for Orlando to trade for him. The duplication is the salary.

I would prefer not to take filler back so that the Blazers pick up extra cap space, but if it is the only way to get #16, then maybe they throw in Jet Howard or Black. Their choice. I assume Orlando likes both, but at some point, they need to choose between all their players and the tax.
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I think for this to work for Portland, Black or Isaac need to be in the deal mandatory. As well as #16. I think we'd be getting Isaac.
 
HailBlazers said:
Interesting his best comp is Banton. When reading up on him, Dalano was the first player that came to mind.
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I'll always wonder what Banton might have been if the coaches had put as much time into improving his decision-making and three point shot as they did with Scoot? Of course I don't know that they didn't but I sure never got the impression they did. They got him for nothing and maybe in their eyes that de-valued him, just like when they got Alexander-Walker as a throw-in.
 
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