$27 million luxury tax bill and climbing for '17/'18

[riverman]

The Russian billionaire isn't pouring money into the Nets anymore. The LT starts eating up big chunks of a billionaire's net worth.

He was motivated by a conflict of interest because of his political ambitions in Russia..enough that he might have to dump the team in order to win votes in the homeland

 

[Further]

$27M is a lot of money, even for a $billionaire, to burn.

$27M is not too much for a $billionare to invest.

27M is t0 someone with 10B
as
$2,700 is to someone with $1,000,000

 

[Chris Craig]

The Blazers will trade a player or players to get us below that before the 17-18 season...that's still awhile off so I'm not going to hazard guesses yet, I want to see this season play out first...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The NBA and the Players Union have been working on the new CBA for over a year. Silver has briefed the owners, the owners have briefed the GMs. Moves that are made today are done knowing what the next CBA will look like. I wouldn't worry about a problem that most likely won't exist.

Report: NBA and NBPA to start 2017 CBA negotiations in August
Wed Jun. 10, 2015

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/06/10/nba-nbpa-collective-bargaining-agreement-negotiations-august

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah but he'd have to play well enough that it'd be worth keeping him at $17M over Davis for $7M and Leonard for $10M. But if he plays THAT WELL, then he might make over $20M.

I think Crabbe, Plumlee, and future picks will be the base of a deadline trade package.

Doesn't Crabbe have a clause through next year? I thought someone said we could not trade him at the deadline.

I think Plumlee, Davis, Leonard and Ezeli are all auditioning next year. One will not return, but I want to see it play out. Which ever 3 of the 4 shows the most improvement,.....I say we keep. I am not sure Ezeli is here long term, so I hate to give up on Plums if he continues to improve.

 

[PDXFonz]

Most people go to the grocery store to buy groceries. PA goes to buy the store.

PA is so rich that he makes Eggs Benedict seem light.

If PA had a penny for every time somebody makes an attention grabbing post...oh wait, he does.

Remember that time PA had to drive himself somewhere? Neither does he.

 

[Cippy91]

His networth is 18 billion. 27 million to him is like 100 dollars to us

 

[BonesJones]

Doesn't Crabbe have a clause through next year? I thought someone said we could not trade him at the deadline.

I think Plumlee, Davis, Leonard and Ezeli are all auditioning next year. One will not return, but I want to see it play out. Which ever 3 of the 4 shows the most improvement,.....I say we keep. I am not sure Ezeli is here long term, so I hate to give up on Plums if he continues to improve.

It's not a no-trade clause.

 

[Sinobas]

So we traded RHJ to rent Plumlee for 2 years.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So we traded RHJ to rent Plumlee for 2 years.

Interesting perspective. If we could undo that trade right now, would we? I might.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Interesting perspective. If we could undo that trade right now, would we? I might.

I like plumlee, but from a value perspective yeah. Also should have resigned rolo to a 13 millionish per year deal because that contract for him would actually be good value in todays nba.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Interesting perspective. If we could undo that trade right now, would we? I might.

I wanted RHJ more than anyone on draft day. But the only reason I see wanting him over Plumlee NOW is Plums might be too expensive to keep. Which means he is better right now than RHJ. I would not undo the trade. Hustle sf"s who can't shoot are not that hard to find. Look how easy it was to get Harkless. Centers who can dribble and chew gum at the same time are not.

 

[TBpup]

Especially if the Blazers keep Harkless, it's tough to see how there isn't some type of consolidation trade at the deadline or next summer. There are just too many players who have been or will be starters that leaves little or sometimes maybe no playing time for some of them.

Plumlee - starter / Ezeli - could start / Leonard - has started some
Aminu - starter / Vonleh - started quite a stretch as an experiment
Turner - been a starter / Harkless / started in the Playoffs
CJ - starter / Crabbe - more than starter money
Dame - starter

That is 10 players right there and not even necessarily in the order of the amount of minutes they will play. It doesn't include Davis at all who was the best 'big' off the bench last year and Napier, Connaughton, Montero and Layman. If you are a title contending team, you really don't worry too much about rookies and 3rd string players (unless you are the Spurs) but Portland isn't to that point yet. So they should be a Playoff team that isn't quite a contender that has too many players that it's not developing the younger talent.

Plumlee - 24 / Ezeli - 24 / Leonard - ??? ($10M/year for no minutes)
Aminu - 34 / Davis - 14? / Vonleh ??? ( 'zero' minutes for the raw kid who is probably the closest to an actual 'power forward' on the team)
Turner - 24 / Harkless - 14/ Crabbe - 10 / Montero ??? / Layman ???
CJ ----- 28 / Crabbe - 20 / Connaughton ???
Dame - 34 / CJ - 6 / Turner - 8 / Napier ???

That is Leonard, Vonleh, Davis and Harkless with a combined total of 28 minutes. Not sure how that works out long term.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Especially if the Blazers keep Harkless, it's tough to see how there isn't some type of consolidation trade at the deadline or next summer. There are just too many players who have been or will be starters that leaves little or sometimes maybe no playing time for some of them.

Plumlee - starter / Ezeli - could start / Leonard - has started some
Aminu - starter / Vonleh - started quite a stretch as an experiment
Turner - been a starter / Harkless / started in the Playoffs
CJ - starter / Crabbe - more than starter money
Dame - starter

That is 10 players right there and not even necessarily in the order of the amount of minutes they will play. It doesn't include Davis at all who was the best 'big' off the bench last year and Napier, Connaughton, Montero and Layman. If you are a title contending team, you really don't worry too much about rookies and 3rd string players (unless you are the Spurs) but Portland isn't to that point yet. So they should be a Playoff team that isn't quite a contender that has too many players that it's not developing the younger talent.

Plumlee - 24 / Ezeli - 24 / Leonard - ??? ($10M/year for no minutes)
Aminu - 34 / Davis - 14? / Vonleh ??? ( 'zero' minutes for the raw kid who is probably the closest to an actual 'power forward' on the team)
Turner - 24 / Harkless - 14/ Crabbe - 10 / Montero ??? / Layman ???
CJ ----- 28 / Crabbe - 20 / Connaughton ???
Dame - 34 / CJ - 6 / Turner - 8 / Napier ???

That is Leonard, Vonleh, Davis and Harkless with a combined total of 28 minutes. Not sure how that works out long term.

Great breakdown. There will be action this deadline.

 

[Pinwheel1]

[QUOTE="TBpup, post: 3953887, member: 27981"

]Especially if the Blazers keep Harkless, it's tough to see how there isn't some type of consolidation trade at the deadline or next summer. There are just too many players who have been or will be starters that leaves little or sometimes maybe no playing time for some of them.

Plumlee - starter / Ezeli - could start / Leonard - has started some
Aminu - starter / Vonleh - started quite a stretch as an experiment
Turner - been a starter / Harkless / started in the Playoffs
CJ - starter / Crabbe - more than starter money
Dame - starter

That is 10 players right there and not even necessarily in the order of the amount of minutes they will play. It doesn't include Davis at all who was the best 'big' off the bench last year[/QUOTE]

On one hand we need 11 quality players over the course of a long season..... with inevitable injuries. It is true a couple of those players will not be happy with their playing time, but I think Vonleh will be the only one that gets cut out of the rotation IF all front court players are healthy.......assuming we keep Harkless.

If Harkless goes, 10 players is manageable. Davis and Leonard might become situational role players based on the opposition.
Injuries will happen though and we will be glad we have extra bigs.

 

[illmatic99]

Depth is a good thing. Let the coach do his job and figure out rotations. The pieces will fall where they should a few months into the season.

It's not as if Plums' value will change much between now and trade deadline. If anything, it might improve-- who knows?

I just hope we don't lose talent in an ill conceived effort to consolidate and save PA money. There is no reason to do that without seeing how all of this will work.

 

[illmatic99]

Plumlee - 24 / Ezeli - 24 / Leonard - ??? ($10M/year for no minutes)
Aminu - 34 / Davis - 14? / Vonleh ??? ( 'zero' minutes for the raw kid who is probably the closest to an actual 'power forward' on the team)
Turner - 24 / Harkless - 14/ Crabbe - 10 / Montero ??? / Layman ???
CJ ----- 28 / Crabbe - 20 / Connaughton ???
Dame - 34 / CJ - 6 / Turner - 8 / Napier ???

.

I feel like some of your mins breakdown is off. There is no need for ET to play 32 mpg on this roster. Same with Aminu and 34 mpg. Ezeli's career high in mins was last season at 16.7 mpg and he played only 46 games. I also feel like Harkless is gone, which is unfortunate, but not too big of a loss as he was our 10th man. Patty C, Noah, Jake, and Shabazz are fine as reserves who get spot minutes.

Here's what I see as a bit more realistic and in line with what guys have been playing in their careers.

Dame - 34/ CJ - 14
CJ- 20/ AC-20/ ET -8
ET- 20/ Aminu 8/ AC- 8/ Patty or Jake take the remaining 12
Aminu - 20/ Ed- 14/ Meyers 14
Plums 24/ Ezeli - 20/ Meyers 4

That brings the breakdown to:
Dame - 34
CJ- 34
AC- 28
ET- 28
Aminu- 28
Plums- 24
Meyers - 18
Ezeli- 20
Ed -14

There's your 9 man rotation right there.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

It's not as if Plums' value will change much between now and trade deadline. If anything, it might improve-- who knows?

Not necessarily. If you deal him now the team gets an entire cheap year to evaluate if they want to keep him. And cheap production for the one year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I feel like some of your mins breakdown is off. There is no need for ET to play 32 mpg on this roster. Same with Aminu and 34 mpg. Ezeli's career high in mins was last season at 16.7 mpg and he played only 46 games. I also feel like Harkless is gone, which is unfortunate, but not too big of a loss as he was our 10th man. Patty C, Noah, Jake, and Shabazz are fine as reserves who get spot minutes.

Here's what I see as a bit more realistic and in line with what guys have been playing in their careers.

Dame - 34/ CJ - 14
CJ- 20/ AC-20/ ET -8
ET- 20/ Aminu 8/ AC- 8/ Patty or Jake take the remaining 12
Aminu - 20/ Ed- 14/ Meyers 14
Plums 24/ Ezeli - 20/ Meyers 4

That brings the breakdown to:
Dame - 34
CJ- 34
AC- 28
ET- 28
Aminu- 28
Plums- 24
Meyers - 18
Ezeli- 20
Ed -14

There's your 9 man rotation right there.

You've got AC, ET, and Aminu all at 28 mpg, with 12 SF mins going to Patty or Jake. Much rather have those three each at 32 and have no leftover minutes for 3rd string guys. However, I also don't think Moe is gone, so I'd have him in those minutes.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I feel like some of your mins breakdown is off. There is no need for ET to play 32 mpg on this roster. Same with Aminu and 34 mpg. Ezeli's career high in mins was last season at 16.7 mpg and he played only 46 games. I also feel like Harkless is gone, which is unfortunate, but not too big of a loss as he was our 10th man. Patty C, Noah, Jake, and Shabazz are fine as reserves who get spot minutes.

Here's what I see as a bit more realistic and in line with what guys have been playing in their careers.

Dame - 34/ CJ - 14
CJ- 20/ AC-20/ ET -8
ET- 20/ Aminu 8/ AC- 8/ Patty or Jake take the remaining 12
Aminu - 20/ Ed- 14/ Meyers 14
Plums 24/ Ezeli - 20/ Meyers 4

That brings the breakdown to:
Dame - 34
CJ- 34
AC- 28
ET- 28
Aminu- 28
Plums- 24
Meyers - 18
Ezeli- 20
Ed -14

There's your 9 man rotation right there.

So are we assuming Harkless is gone?

Edit: Oh you did say that in your post. Losing Harkless would hurt this year on the defensive side of the ball, but if they have faith in Layman, he could be a nice 10 minute a night player.

 

[SIeepwalker]

I feel like some of your mins breakdown is off. There is no need for ET to play 32 mpg on this roster. Same with Aminu and 34 mpg. Ezeli's career high in mins was last season at 16.7 mpg and he played only 46 games. I also feel like Harkless is gone, which is unfortunate, but not too big of a loss as he was our 10th man. Patty C, Noah, Jake, and Shabazz are fine as reserves who get spot minutes.

Here's what I see as a bit more realistic and in line with what guys have been playing in their careers.

Dame - 34/ CJ - 14
CJ- 20/ AC-20/ ET -8
ET- 20/ Aminu 8/ AC- 8/ Patty or Jake take the remaining 12
Aminu - 20/ Ed- 14/ Meyers 14
Plums 24/ Ezeli - 20/ Meyers 4

That brings the breakdown to:
Dame - 34
CJ- 34
AC- 28
ET- 28
Aminu- 28
Plums- 24
Meyers - 18
Ezeli- 20
Ed -14

There's your 9 man rotation right there.

Wow, do you really want to give Pat or Jake 12 minutes a game ? Even if you consider Harkless gone, I would much rather give them to Vonleh, sliding 12 of Aminu's minutes to SF

 

[illmatic99]

You've got AC, ET, and Aminu all at 28 mpg, with 12 SF mins going to Patty or Jake. Much rather have those three each at 32 and have no leftover minutes for 3rd string guys. However, I also don't think Moe is gone, so I'd have him in those minutes.

That's fine as well and it works. Patty and Jake were just throw ins for spare minutes -- I don't expect Terry to have an 11 man rotation

 

[B-Roy]

Trades are coming.