Trade Idea #3 (and filler) for Zion - would you do it?

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Would you trade the #3/Ant/filler for Zion?

  • Yes - absolutely

    Votes: 22 29.7%

  • Maybe - depends on who goes out

    Votes: 16 21.6%

  • No way!

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • Total voters
    74
I'm really torn on this....except I'd probably say no unless more was coming to Portland. I'd hate to spend several year watching Zion watch the Blazers from his dinner table

I'd be greedy...something like this:

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It would be great if Orlando wanted Simons enough to ship the 6th pick but that's probably asking too much
 

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I think my dream off season now is:

Outgoing: Ant, Nurk, pick 3 and 23... incoming Zion, WCJ and picks 21 and 22 (drafting GG Jackson and James Nnaji with those picks) also signing Jevon Carter with the TPMLE and re-signing both Jerami and Matisse. Drafting BPA at pick 43. Probably wouldn't pick up the options on Knox or Keon.

Magic gets Ant, Nurk and pick 23 from us and send WCJ and pick 11 to us and Gary Harris to the Pels

Pels get pick 3 and Gary Harris and send Zion to us.

Nets get pick 11 and send us picks 21 and 22. This would be a separate trade because they wouldn't need to be tied into the initial three team trade.

Dame, Carter, Mays
Shaedon, Matisse, Pick 43?
Jeremi, Matisse, Nas
Zion, GG, Trendon, Jabari
WCJ, Nnaji, Drew
 
no thanks on zion. i'm not giving up our best trade asset in over a decade for a broken zion.

it should give us all pause that NO is even willing to consider this. if he were even remotely healthy, the Pelicans would continue to build around him.

and we know our negligent front office will not do its due diligence from the medical front (see: GP2weeks).
 
illmatic99 said:
no thanks on zion. i'm not giving up our best trade asset in over a decade for a broken zion.

it should give us all pause that NO is even willing to consider this. if he were even remotely healthy, the Pelicans would continue to build around him.

and we know our negligent front office will not do its due diligence from the medical front (see: GP2weeks).
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Everything not in bold is your opinion the part in bold is just bullshit.
 
blazerkor said:
Everything not in bold is your opinion the part in bold is just bullshit.
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do you have any actual counters to my statement?

we have actual evidence that they either: 1) didn't even bother to do a physical for Payton before the signing... or worse, 2) did a physical and still went through with the signing.

not exactly inspiring confidence that they'd suddenly right the ship on a guy has had seemingly chronic lower extremity issues. if Zion is actually available in a trade, the only reasons are medical. teams don't go around giving up 22 yr old all NBA caliber talents every summer unless something is seriously wrong. you can choose to jam your fingers in your ears to ignore this, but i hope Cronin will be more vigilant.
 
If this were to happen Nurk would surely have to be moved.

Zion and Nurk wouldn’t work.
 
illmatic99 said:
do you have any actual counters to my statement?

we have actual evidence that they either: 1) didn't even bother to do a physical for Payton before the signing... or worse, 2) did a physical and still went through with the signing.

not exactly inspiring confidence that they'd suddenly right the ship on a guy has had seemingly chronic lower extremity issues. if Zion is actually available in a trade, the only reasons are medical. teams don't go around giving up 22 yr old all NBA caliber talents every summer unless something is seriously wrong. you can choose to jam your fingers in your ears to ignore this, but i hope Cronin will be more vigilant.
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I think signing GP2 just had to do with Dame having the exact same injury and surgery and recovering in a timely manner. I don’t think they neglected the injury.
 
TBpup said:
Agreed. Zion has played less than 50% of his games, so that has to be calculated in his value. So Herb Jones or Trey Murphy need to be included because you are only getting 1/2 a player (albeit a way overweight half of a player) who is constantly hurt when he is in his early 20s and should be healing faster than at any other time of his life.

The problem is, Portland has to send back Ant+ to make the money work. So with the #3 AND Ant, NOP has to include Zion and at least Murphy or Jones and likely their #14 and a future pick. Portland can throw in Know and Keon for some added cap balance. And I'm still very hesitant of that deal. That is a LOT to give up for such a risk.
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19-20: 24/72
20-21: 61/72
21-22: 0/82
22-23: 29/82

That is 37% of the games.

And he's owed 194 mil over the next 5 seasons.

sheesh.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm really torn on this....except I'd probably say no unless more was coming to Portland. I'd hate to spend several year watching Zion watch the Blazers from his dinner table

I'd be greedy...something like this:

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It would be great if Orlando wanted Simons enough to ship the 6th pick but that's probably asking too much
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This would be ideal
 
cheesehoff said:
I'm a little confused on what NOP have planned in this scenario. If they take Scoot with the #3 they would then have CJ, Ant and Scoot while giving away arguably their best defender in Jones.
Am I missing something or is it right and then we would expect them to move CJ or Ant?
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There was a podcast that did a really good job of breaking down just that. They said a trade with Portland would be more complicated than with Charlotte because other pieces would have to be moved or other teams involved. If I can find it, I'll post it here.
 
ZION HAS ALREADY SUPPORTED SMALL BUSINESSES HERE IN PORTLAND!

 
OneSport3 said:
I think signing GP2 just had to do with Dame having the exact same injury and surgery and recovering in a timely manner. I don’t think they neglected the injury.
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@STOMP there's really nothing more to be said than this. Evaluating Zion which of course they will and did with GP2, will be way different than evaluating GP2. The guy on Locked On today who is the Pels beat reporter said he just spoke with Zion and although the reporter said Zion looked like he usually did, Zion said he was ready to go. The reporter also said that it was his understanding that Zion wanted to go during the season but the team didn't like his conditioning so they held him out. Sure, that's a red flag but it's about if we can change his mindset not if he's physically flawed in some way. I think the team should make the gamble that they can change Zion's mindset.
 
TBpup said:
There was a podcast that did a really good job of breaking down just that. They said a trade with Portland would be more complicated than with Charlotte because other pieces would have to be moved or other teams involved. If I can find it, I'll post it here.
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I'm guessing because Charlotte could simply send Hayward for Zion to match salaries

Blazers would have to send Ant and that would be a crowded back court with Scoot, CJ, and Ant.

though when I think of it after salaries raise in July it might work with Nurk + Little + Knox/Keon
 
Whoever we would be drafting we would be rolling the dice so IMO why not roll the dice on Zion and go for the biggest high-reward player available even though he is also the highest risk? I do understand the logic against him but like I said I would still take the chance.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm guessing because Charlotte could simply send Hayward for Zion to match salaries

Blazers would have to send Ant and that would be a crowded back court with Scoot, CJ, and Ant.

though when I think of it after salaries raise next season it might work with Nurk + Little + Knox/Keon
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It works with all four of them but if you even take Keon's salary off it would miss by around 900k... after 125%.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm guessing because Charlotte could simply send Hayward for Zion to match salaries

Blazers would have to send Ant and that would be a crowded back court with Scoot, CJ, and Ant.

though when I think of it after salaries raise in July it might work with Nurk + Little + Knox/Keon
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Yeah but they can get some value from trading CJ or Ant so I don't think that is a big deal
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah but they can get some value from trading CJ or Ant so I don't think that is a big deal
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no, it's not that big a deal, and if they draft Scoot they'd likely be shopping SC right away. But the Charlotte trade would be simple

I do think the Blazers might be able to get another decent to good asset if they diverted Ant to another team
 
It's a yes for me. Is it a huge risk? Absolutely. But the reward is also huge. I feel like there's a decent amount of people that have complained about the Blazers not taking chances over the years, who are...opposed to us taking a big swing like this. He's still plenty young enough to urn it all around, and if he did, it'd be an incredible duo with Dame, and then later an incredible one(potentially) with Sharpe.
All that said, I doubt they do it.
 
Healthy motivated Zion is absolutely be Dames best chance at a championship. There is not another other player that is available that gets him that close. That said a lot of questions around Zion. It would be pushing all your chips in.

is a championship possibility worth it or take the younger route and potential superstar in Scoot?
 
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blazerkor said:
The space Zion needs to operate, I don't think we'd be keeping Nurk anyway. Listening to the Pels beat reporter, Zion is healthy right now, not in shape but healthy as he has been when he's been dominant. If he has Dame in his ear, the dude could become an all time great.
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It is his head I worry more about than his body. He quit on them last year and now with all his babymomma problems who knows what he will bring to the court.
 
I like the concept of swinging for the fences on a player with All NBA first team MVP level upside. Zion legit has that.

A couple big problems though - first the notion that Dame could mentor him. I don't buy that, CJ is players union President and a great mentor as well, I just don't see Dame being able to give him anything different.

Secondly I don't see the Pels and CJ moving on from Zion unless the red flags are much worse than we all realize.
 
Nick Koller said:
Dame and Shaedon are healthy stars so we only need Zion to be healthy for 1 post season to probably win a championship.
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We would have him for 5 years
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So we sit him until the playoffs. It just might work.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I like the concept of swinging for the fences on a player with All NBA first team MVP level upside. Zion legit has that.

A couple big problems though - first the notion that Dame could mentor him. I don't buy that, CJ is players union President and a great mentor as well, I just don't see Dame being able to give him anything different.

Secondly I don't see the Pels and CJ moving on from Zion unless the red flags are much worse than we all realize.
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Comparing CJ’s leadership to Dame’s is so ridiculous. CJ can give a good interview or commentary but Dame knows how to lead people. He inspires the best in so many that have had success here then failed after.

I think Dame and Chauncey along with the jolt that being traded would put Zion in MVP position. So trade pick 3 for Zion and get what you can for Ant.
 
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