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Natebishop3 said:
You're right, but Golden State didn't go 2-6 after getting blown out by us. We have won two games since the Celtics demolished us.
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You notice they LOVE using the Golden State win as their championship game and favorite example? My god IT WAS ONE GAME, shit i hate to say it but it was probably a LUCKY WIN we spent our time during the all star break practicing while the whole golden state squad was busy IN TORONTO. In fact instead of keeping it competitive the next time we faced them we get BLOWN OUT by them. If thats not an indication of reality then i dont know what is


THIS SEASON NEVERTHELESS HAS BEEN A SUCCESS ALREADY. Now lets keep our asset and make our summer much easier to take the next step..
 
Tunchi said:
You notice they LOVE using the Golden State win as their championship game and favorite example? My god IT WAS ONE GAME, shit i hate to say it but it was probably a LUCKY WIN we spent our time during the all star break practicing while the whole golden state squad was busy IN TORONTO. In fact instead of keeping it competitive the next time we faced them we get BLOWN OUT by them. If thats not an indication of reality then i dont know what is


THIS SEASON NEVERTHELESS HAS BEEN A SUCCESS ALREADY. Now lets keep our asset and make our summer much easier to take the next step..
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Okay, let's say the Blazers follow your reasoning and tank their way into the lottery. Let's say that nets them the 12th pick and they get a player the quality of a rookie Aminu. Is that asset worth more than the veteran free agent big man who decides to sign here next summer because he thinks the Blazers are a playoff team? Your asset is 3-4 years away from being halfway worth a damn. In your scenario, the Blazers most likely lose their first round pick next year and lose that asset. I guess I just don't see any realistic chance that the player that the Blazers pass on in this year's draft is such a huge asset that it would be a major detriment to the team's future. I think not enticing a quality free agent here next summer would be a much more significant blow.
 
e_blazer said:
Okay, let's say the Blazers follow your reasoning and tank their way into the lottery. Let's say that nets them the 12th pick and they get a player the quality of a rookie Aminu. Is that asset worth more than the veteran free agent big man who decides to sign here next summer because he thinks the Blazers are a playoff team? Your asset is 3-4 years away from being halfway worth a damn. In your scenario, the Blazers most likely lose their first round pick next year and lose that asset. I guess I just don't see any realistic chance that the player that the Blazers pass on in this year's draft is such a huge asset that it would be a major detriment to the team's future. I think not enticing a quality free agent here next summer would be a much more significant blow.
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Well where ppl forget is we dont have to select a player with that pick at the same time Id rather whatever small percentage it is put our name in the hat for the top 3 pick then take the LESSER ODDS of winning in the playoffs. Say we trade the pick we get this year with Meyers that might net us a solid rotational player for our real window opening next year.

Have you seen Brandon Ingram this year? He would be perfect as a 4 for us.
 
e_blazer said:
Okay, let's say the Blazers follow your reasoning and tank their way into the lottery. Let's say that nets them the 12th pick and they get a player the quality of a rookie Aminu. Is that asset worth more than the veteran free agent big man who decides to sign here next summer because he thinks the Blazers are a playoff team? Your asset is 3-4 years away from being halfway worth a damn. In your scenario, the Blazers most likely lose their first round pick next year and lose that asset. I guess I just don't see any realistic chance that the player that the Blazers pass on in this year's draft is such a huge asset that it would be a major detriment to the team's future. I think not enticing a quality free agent here next summer would be a much more significant blow.
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Thank you... couldn't have said it better, but then some people around here have blinders on and OPENLY admit they wont listen to anyone else.. so why bother? Should just lock this thread and ignore that poster....


Ill take it a step further now...

Other than I know it would be bad for the Blazers.. I hope Tunchis wants come true, so he can bitch next year about how our draft pick isnt doing anything to make this team better... because he IS BEING SENT TO THE D LEAGUE!!!!.....
 
Tunchi said:
Well where ppl forget is we dont have to select a player with that pick at the same time Id rather whatever small percentage it is put our name in the hat for the top 3 pick then take the LESSER ODDS of winning in the playoffs. Say we trade the pick we get this year with Meyers that might net us a solid rotational player for our real window opening next year.

Have you seen Brandon Ingram this year? He would be perfect as a 4 for us.
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Well where YOU seem to forget, is unless WE DRAFT with the pick this year... we have next years pick to do exactly what you want.. .how are you not able to grasp that??????
 
Tunchi said:
Well where ppl forget is we dont have to select a player with that pick at the same time Id rather whatever small percentage it is put our name in the hat for the top 3 pick then take the LESSER ODDS of winning in the playoffs. Say we trade the pick we get this year with Meyers that might net us a solid rotational player for our real window opening next year.

Have you seen Brandon Ingram this year? He would be perfect as a 4 for us.
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I have to ask...Are you on prescriptions, or how old are you??? We can take next years pick and do exactly what you want.... man.... take the fucking blinders off and pay attention.....
 
Tunchi said:
Well where ppl forget is we dont have to select a player with that pick at the same time Id rather whatever small percentage it is put our name in the hat for the top 3 pick then take the LESSER ODDS of winning in the playoffs. Say we trade the pick we get this year with Meyers that might net us a solid rotational player for our real window opening next year.

Have you seen Brandon Ingram this year? He would be perfect as a 4 for us.
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You completely missed what he was talking about.

I mean, it's simple logic. And yet you repeatedly miss it. This isn't about someone changing your point of view, this is about you clearly not understanding a basic concept.
 
e_blazer said:
Okay, let's say the Blazers follow your reasoning and tank their way into the lottery. Let's say that nets them the 12th pick and they get a player the quality of a rookie Aminu. Is that asset worth more than the veteran free agent big man who decides to sign here next summer because he thinks the Blazers are a playoff team? Your asset is 3-4 years away from being halfway worth a damn. In your scenario, the Blazers most likely lose their first round pick next year and lose that asset. I guess I just don't see any realistic chance that the player that the Blazers pass on in this year's draft is such a huge asset that it would be a major detriment to the team's future. I think not enticing a quality free agent here next summer would be a much more significant blow.
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You are smart.
 
Tunchi said:
You notice they LOVE using the Golden State win as their championship game and favorite example? My god IT WAS ONE GAME, shit i hate to say it but it was probably a LUCKY WIN we spent our time during the all star break practicing while the whole golden state squad was busy IN TORONTO. In fact instead of keeping it competitive the next time we faced them we get BLOWN OUT by them. If thats not an indication of reality then i dont know what is


THIS SEASON NEVERTHELESS HAS BEEN A SUCCESS ALREADY. Now lets keep our asset and make our summer much easier to take the next step..
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Here's reality:

If we don't get this years pick, we have next years pick.

Please write that down and re-type it with this quote, so I know you read it. You may not write anything else to anyone else until you do.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I have to ask...Are you on prescriptions, or how old are you??? We can take next years pick and do exactly what you want.... man.... take the fucking blinders off and pay attention.....
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No im not and im 29 years old.. Yes we can take next years pick but some teams want an asset now rather than later. I just want to enhance our chances of improving this summer with an asset that can be used now for somebody
 
Tunchi said:
No im not and im 29 years old.. Yes we can take next years pick but some teams want an asset now rather than later. I just want to enhance our chances of improving this summer with an asset that can be used now for somebody
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Please write out: If we don't get this years pick, we get next years.

It'll be okay.
 
Tunchi said:
Well where ppl forget is we dont have to select a player with that pick at the same time Id rather whatever small percentage it is put our name in the hat for the top 3 pick then take the LESSER ODDS of winning in the playoffs. Say we trade the pick we get this year with Meyers that might net us a solid rotational player for our real window opening next year.

Have you seen Brandon Ingram this year? He would be perfect as a 4 for us.
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The 12th seed in the NBA lottery has a 93.5% chance of picking at the 12th spot. It has a greater chance of being bumped down to the 13th pick than it does of getting one of the top 3 picks. If, by some miracle, the lottery balls fell in the Blazers' favor and they were able to draft Ingram, he wouldn't be ready to contribute much for a couple of years. Is he significantly better than Wiggins? Wiggins is the guy the draft-niks were creaming their jeans over a couple of years ago. Two years in, he's not contributing as much to the T-Wolves as CJ is to the Blazers. And the T-Wolves still are a lottery team despite having picked up Townes in last year's draft. Thinking that there's any chance that getting into the late lottery in this year's draft is going to lead the Blazers to competitiveness any time soon is a pipe dream.
 
Tunchi said:
No im not and im 29 years old.. Yes we can take next years pick but some teams want an asset now rather than later. I just want to enhance our chances of improving this summer with an asset that can be used now for somebody
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So you want to take a risk to help ANOTHER TEAM OUT TO GET OUR ASSET???? WHAT TEAM ARE YOU REALLY A FAN OF?? Sounds like a Houston troll to me....

Yes its a risk to tank and go for the asset. A huge risk.
A star player wants to play on a team that wants to win.. not tank....so the risk is huge in pushing FA's away from us..

Our summer will be improved and we don't need the asset to do it. The asset will help us CONTINUE to improve the year after....
You want to give up our asset now before we know clearly what our biggest need is because the players haven't leveled off yet. Thats a HUGE risk in its own.. so we use the asset to get someone in the same position as VOnleh.. and then Vonleh doesnt get the minutes next year to potentially break out... so we are in the same boat as now...

Your thought literally makes no sense....and is extremely frustrating that you wont listen to anyone else....

You really need to take the blinders off, and listen, take a moment.. and think about what everyone has been telling you...
Do you REALLY think that your the ONLY one who is right about all of this? That's a pretty pompous stance to take, and will assuredly end up biting you in the ass, but keep it up and time will show all. ;)
 
e_blazer said:
The 12th seed in the NBA lottery has a 93.5% chance of picking at the 12th spot. It has a greater chance of being bumped down to the 13th pick than it does of getting one of the top 3 picks. If, by some miracle, the lottery balls fell in the Blazers' favor and they were able to draft Ingram, he wouldn't be ready to contribute much for a couple of years. Is he significantly better than Wiggins? Wiggins is the guy the draft-niks were creaming their jeans over a couple of years ago. Two years in, he's not contributing as much to the T-Wolves as CJ is to the Blazers. And the T-Wolves still are a lottery team despite having picked up Townes in last year's draft. Thinking that there's any chance that getting into the late lottery in this year's draft is going to lead the Blazers to competitiveness any time soon is a pipe dream.
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LOGIC.

Good god, it's not that difficult. There's one thing to be stubborn, there's another to be oblivious.
 
Even if you tell us "you told us so", you're still wrong, since we have the pick next year anyway. We literally have nothing to lose. It's really not that hard to see.

You're wrong. Even if we get blown out, you're wrong. Even if.... Well, you're wrong, period.
 
And realize, this is coming from someone who wanted the pick for about half the year.

It's okay to change your stance on it. I saw logic and reasoning, I believe you can too.
 
ill be back this evening. I need a break. i'm letting Tunchi get to me more than I should...Just hard to listen to people that call themselves fans, but are so illogical, they cant seem to grasp the FACTS of the situation.

Facts are, we have over exceeded expectations this year... bring this opinion....we shouldn't lose now....

Facts are we have played very well against top tier teams and very poorly against top tier teams...brings this opinion.... we can compete, but need to learn how to be steady... through experience...

Facts are we are an extremely young team in our first year together.... opinion... this group still has alot of upside left because of this....

Facts are we have a pick this year OR next year.... opinion.... why spend all our money now when we arent for sure of what we have?

That last one is kind of like.. okay, I get paid once a week.. I dont need to monitor my money, It keeps coming in. Get paid once a month and you need to spread the money out and not spend all at once.

The Blazers get paid once a month in this scenario.. Either this year or next year... why go blow your whole wad now? Stash it away, let it gain interest and use it to purchase something truly of need... not just go spend because you CAN.....

Tunchi, I dont expect you to get this, but Ill check back this evening to see if it made any sense to you, but for now, your a little too under my skin....
 
I just want to point out that we picked 23rd last year and we were able to parlay that pick into Mason Plumlee, who has been a solid contributor to this team. The assumption that possessing the pick will automatically mean that it's going to end up being some pimply teenager is a false one.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I just want to point out that we picked 23rd last year and we were able to parlay that pick into Mason Plumlee, who has been a solid contributor to this team. The assumption that possessing the pick will automatically mean that it's going to end up being some pimply teenager is a false one.
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But that's Brooklyn, we've fleeced them twice now. lol.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I just want to point out that we picked 23rd last year and we were able to parlay that pick into Mason Plumlee, who has been a solid contributor to this team. The assumption that possessing the pick will automatically mean that it's going to end up being some pimply teenager is a false one.
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hmmm not compared to some here....

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/do-we-have-the-worst-starting-pf-c-combo-in-the-league.297677/


Listen, no one is saying we cant use the pick to get a veteran player or part of a package, but the pick next year can be used as the same asset this year, so whats the difference?

Plus, the talk is if we actually draft a player... yes he will be a pimply faced kid that wont be able to contribute next year any more than most of our new guys are this year....
 
Orion Bailey said:
You clearly missed his green font!, lol

Okay, lunchtime and im gone!
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I actually think he was serious. Maybe the last part is a bit much (not many, if any, think we'll go far), but I believed him.
 
Orion Bailey said:
hmmm not compared to some here....

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/do-we-have-the-worst-starting-pf-c-combo-in-the-league.297677/


Listen, no one is saying we cant use the pick to get a veteran player or part of a package, but the pick next year can be used as the same asset this year, so whats the difference?

Plus, the talk is if we actually draft a player... yes he will be a pimply faced kid that wont be able to contribute next year any more than most of our new guys are this year....
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It's the worst PF/C combo because the two don't mesh well. Plums is a solid starting center, and he'd be fine next to a scoring four. He's just not a guy that you can count on to score, and when paired with a power forward that's similarly limited, it hampers what our offense is capable of accomplishing.

The pick next year will most likely be even lower, so the difference would be value. A lottery pick is worth more than a mid-to-late first rounder.

Looking back over the past few drafts, if we had the 14th pick in the 2013 draft, we could have taken Giannis Antetokounmpo (15th pick). We could have taken Dennis Schroder (17th). Rudy Gobert was available (27th).

In 2011 Kawhi Leonard was taken 15th and Nikola Vucevic was taken 16th.

There are some good players that could be had in that 13-15 range, if you have a good scouting department.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's the worst PF/C combo because the two don't mesh well. Plums is a solid starting center, and he'd be fine next to a scoring four. He's just not a guy that you can count on to score, and when paired with a power forward that's similarly limited, it hampers what our offense is capable of accomplishing.
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Instead of repeatedly trashing my thread, perhaps @Orion Bailey should actually read the question and try to list the worst PF/C combos in the league. We're way down on the list no matter how you try to slice it. Plums is obviously a stopgap. He's a bench player on a contending team, unless he's surrounded by all stars.
 
This thread is kind of proof that homers are just as bad as haters. Meet somewhere in the middle guys. It's ok. The arrogance from both sides is almost unbearable
 
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