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Mediocre Man said:
Absolutely. IF we make the playoffs, we don't have the fire power to go anywhere.
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Yes because being third in the league in scoring efficiency and now middle of the pack on defense points to a weak playoff run.
 
magnifier661 said:
Yes because being third in the league in scoring efficiency and now middle of the pack on defense points to a weak playoff run.
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No, but a lot of other factors do, like relying on the 3 pointer for the majority of your offense, and being incredibly thin up front, and no one on the roster with a lot of playoff experience
 
Mediocre Man said:
No, but a lot of other factors do, like relying on the 3 pointer for the majority of your offense, and being incredibly thin up front, and no one on the roster with a lot of playoff experience
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Tell that to the spurs last season when they shot so many threes and Duncan using mainly mid range shots to score. How far they go in the playoffs?
 
magnifier661 said:
Tell that to the spurs last season when they shot so many threes and Duncan using mainly mid range shots to score. How far they go in the playoffs?
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It;s not shooting threes, it's relying on them. There is a difference. we disagree
 
Mediocre Man said:
It;s not shooting threes, it's relying on them. There is a difference. we disagree
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I have no problem agreeing to disagree with you. But the threes aren't "relying". Most of them are coming on "wide open" attempts, just like Sas last season. There is a huge difference
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I know MM can defend himself, but seriously, if you keep following him around posting crap like this, you're gonna be the one who ends up looking bad.
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I figured Blazer Fanatic saw me in the shower one day and was instantly fixated on me. It's my own damn fault for being so beautiful. A curse, really
 
VanillaGorilla said:
What the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously, why would a "fan" want their team to lose when they're winning, a lot?
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I don't want them to lose.

The question was should we still be tanking. My response is yes.

I think a lot of you are jumping on people just to jump on them.

Ideally I hope they win out. I just don't think they will, and because I don't feel they have the right players yet, they should tank to get a difference maker in this draft.
 
Is there a way to see what percentage of the 3 pointers were assisted? Because I think this is at the heart of the if the Blazers are "relying" on the threes or taking "open shots". If they are are just heaving up the threes, then there won't be many assists, but if those threes are designed, and well executed and designed to be the open shots we look for, then they should be well assisted.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I know MM can defend himself, but seriously, if you keep following him around posting crap like this, you're gonna be the one who ends up looking bad.
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Asserting I am following anyone around would be an extremely poor assumption. If you think it's crap, you're entitled to say so. I am saying the opinion he posted in this thread "The Blazer should absolutely tank" is crap. Let's not get carried away with assumptions. We aren't talking about what he said in another thread. Do you agree the Blazers should be tanking?
 
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Is there a way to see what percentage of the 3 pointers were assisted? Because I think this is at the heart of the if the Blazers are "relying" on the threes or taking "open shots". If they are are just heaving up the threes, then there won't be many assists, but if those threes are designed, and well executed and designed to be the open shots we look for, then they should be well assisted.
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Yes. Give me a sec.

81.6% 3PM assisted

18.4% 3PM unassisted

I'm not sure this tells you what one might conclude. A pull up 3 on a fast break, or Dame going Ham at the point are unassisted 3s.

http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamGene...e=Totals&sortField=PCT_UAST_3PM&sortOrder=DES
 
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Mediocre Man said:
No, but a lot of other factors do, like relying on the 3 pointer for the majority of your offense, and being incredibly thin up front, and no one on the roster with a lot of playoff experience
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But if we tank how do we ever get playoff experience?
 
Sure making the playoffs gets you experience.

I don't really want to speak for MM, because he doesn't need my help, but what I assume he was saying is that he doesn't think especially highly of our chances in the playoffs (if we get there) because of a combination of not enough elite talent and not enough experience, with more weight given to the former than the latter.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't want them to lose.

The question was should we still be tanking. My response is yes.

I think a lot of you are jumping on people just to jump on them.

Ideally I hope they win out. I just don't think they will, and because I don't feel they have the right players yet, they should tank to get a difference maker in this draft.
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So, whether on not you care what I think, what is your rational (or your thinking/logic) behind the Blazers tanking?

I can name several reason why that thinking is misguided if not entirely silly.

1) LA won't be happy. LA moves on.
2) Portland would be competing with more teams than I can ever remember for worse record in the NBA
3) Portland has almost no chance to keep their 1st round pic owed to the Bobcats
4) Portland traded away most, if not all, of there 2nd round draft pics

You are basically advocating the Blazers perform a fire sale of a Portland team that is as cohesive at it has ever been in the 9 years LA have been on the team, and while rocking a 12-2 record.

Your response...
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
Yes. Give me a sec.

81.6% 3PM assisted

18.4% 3PM unassisted

I'm not sure this tells you what one might conclude. A pull up 3 on a fast break, or Dame going Ham at the point are unassisted 3s.
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Also, a good deal of Matthews step back threes are not assisted, but I'd still be okay with him chucking those up as it's his signature shot, which he practices a lot, and seems to hit more than wide open shots.
 
superfly4201 said:
But if we tank how do we ever get playoff experience?
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Agree with you. IMO, and I am not trying to force it on anyone else, even with playoff experience, this team is not built the way it needs to be for a playoff run......YET
 
This is an old argument, but what the hell.

Jabbari Parker, Andrew Wiggins and/or Julius Randle look like they have the potential to be franchise altering talents. While Aldridge and Lillard are both very good, neither is really in that tier. Getting one of those players improves your odds of (eventually) capturing a championship in a lot of peoples' mind (I include myself in that camp). The "egalitarian" model (five very good players but no superstars approach) has really only worked once in recent memory and that was the Pistons with Rip, Chauncey, Sheed, Wallace and Prince.

The odds of a team winning it all is low even if you get stud because you also need some luck and a lot of health, but take away the superstar and what are your chances if history is any guide?
 
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Blazer Fanatic said:
So, whether on not you care what I think, what is your rational (or your thinking/logic) behind the Blazers tanking?

I can name several reason why that thinking is misguided if not entirely silly.

1) LA won't be happy. LA moves on.
2) Portland would be competing with more teams than I can ever remember for worse record in the NBA
3) Portland has almost no chance to keep their 1st round pic owed to the Bobcats
4) Portland traded away most, if not all, of there 2nd round draft pics

You are basically advocating the Blazers perform a fire sale of a Portland team that is as cohesive at it has ever been in the 9 years LA have been on the team, and while rocking a 12-2 record.

Your response...
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I personally think LA moves on anyway
Being in the lottery gives you a chance at a difference maker
The Horncats don't get our pick if we are bottom 12
What do second round draft picks have to do with a difference maker?

I have said numerous times that I don't feel the team will sustain this. The Blazers made their bed this summer by keeping LA and adding enough pieces to be good enough to be adequate. They shouldn't have.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
Yes. Give me a sec.

81.6% 3PM assisted

18.4% 3PM unassisted

I'm not sure this tells you what one might conclude. A pull up 3 on a fast break, or Dame going Ham at the point are unassisted 3s.

http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamGene...e=Totals&sortField=PCT_UAST_3PM&sortOrder=DES
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repped.


This is interesting and i think speaks to the threes as being sustainable over the course of the season. sure, there will be a bad 3pt game here and there, but a stat like that shows me this is fairly repeatable.
 
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