34,452 Iraqi Civilians Killed in 2006

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>BAGHDAD, Iraq - Nearly 35,000 civilians were killed last year in Iraq, the United Nations said Tuesday, a sharp increase from the numbers reported previously by the Iraqi government.Gianni Magazzeni, the chief of the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq, said 34,452 civilians were killed and 36,685 were wounded last year.Iraqi government figures in early January put last year's civilian death toll at 12,357. When asked about the difference, Magazzeni said the U.N. figures were compiled from information obtained through the Iraqi Health Ministry, hospitals across the country and the Medico-Legal Institute in Baghdad."Without significant progress in the rule of law sectarian violence will continue indefinitely and eventually spiral out of control," he warned.The Iraqi Health Ministry could not immediately be reached for comment, but the government has disputed previous figures released by the U.N. as "inaccurate and exaggerated."Magazzeni said 6,376 civilians were killed violently in November and December — 4,731 of those in Baghdad, most as a result of gunshot wounds. He noted that was a slight decrease from the previous two-month period, during which UNAMI recorded a total of 7,047 civilians killed.The mission's latest bimonthly report also noted that some figures were not yet included in the total for December.The figures were released as Baghdad braces for a major security operation to be launched by the Iraqi government and U.S. forces aimed at quelling the rampant sectarian violence that has been on the rise since the Feb. 22 bombing of a Shiite mosque in Samarra.Much of the violence has been blamed on Shiite militias, particularly the Mahdi Army militia that is loyal to radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, a key supporter of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Dozens of bodies turn up on the streets of Baghdad daily, many showing signs of torture."The root causes of the sectarian violence lie in revenge killings and lack of accountability for past crimes as well as in the growing sense of impunity for ongoing human rights violations," the agency said, calling on the Iraqi government to step up efforts to restore law and order.The U.N. report also said that 30,842 people were detained in the country as of Dec. 31, including 14,534 in detention facilities run by U.S.-led multinational forces.</div>

 

[PurplePeopleEaters]

And how many soldiers died from our side? Make these a combination and continue the numbers throughout the year and the deaths of 9/11 look like nothing.

 

[MeInMyNigBeBallin]

How many people would Saddam have slaughtered in 2006 if we had done nothing? :whistling:

 

[DevinHester23]

^The Shah of Iran was a bigger dick than Saddam and we loved him, so don't give me that

 

[MeInMyNigBeBallin]

What does the Shah of Iran have to do with anything. I just brought up the question...I'm against the war and always have been, but I like to bring up questions to mix the drink a bit.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How many people would Saddam have slaughtered in 2006 if we had done nothing? :whistling:</div>Less.

 

[MeInMyNigBeBallin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 27 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How many people would Saddam have slaughtered in 2006 if we had done nothing? :whistling:</div>Less.</div> And...citizens in the future would not have free elections, an electied government, a new democracy and basic rights...not having to worry about Saddam's police...etc..but you know whats best for the Iraqi people.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 27 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How many people would Saddam have slaughtered in 2006 if we had done nothing? :whistling:</div>Less.</div> And...citizens in the future would not have free elections, an electied government, a new democracy and basic rights...not having to worry about Saddam's police...etc..but you know whats best for the Iraqi people.</div>Which is the reason we invaded

 

[MeInMyNigBeBallin]

Turn on National Geographic, they are having a special on Saddam/Iraq War...very interesting...

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Turn on National Geographic, they are having a special on Saddam/Iraq War...very interesting...</div>Sweet!!! They've Found Weapons of Mass Destruction?!?!?!!!

 

[Capt. Comeback]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 28 2007, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sweet!!! They've Found Weapons of Mass Destruction?!?!?!!!</div> :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What does the Shah of Iran have to do with anything. I just brought up the question...I'm against the war and always have been, but I like to bring up questions to mix the drink a bit.</div>It was in response to the question about people being killed by Sad-dam. He implied we were there b/c he was a dick. I countered by saying the Shah was a bigger dick, and that this was always about the oil, and we just need a convenient excuse. I'm also opposed to it

 

[jeefunk]

35,000 Iraqi Civilians or however many tens of thousands of American civilians killed in terrorist attacks that surely would continue to have happened had we not put a stop to it and dethroned those in power.

 

[PurplePeopleEaters]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeefunk @ Jan 30 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>35,000 Iraqi Civilians or however many tens of thousands of American civilians killed in terrorist attacks that surely would continue to have happened had we not put a stop to it and dethroned those in power.</div>Sorry but the war on terrorism is a joke. There's no way to stop terrorists. Every time a little Iraqi kid's dad gets blown up by american soldiers, we've made another terrorist. It's like 9/11. When people's relatives and friends were killed in 9/11 people got angry and wanted to take down the people who did this. It's the same way for the Iraqi people. If their friends or relatives get killed (especially when they're civilians) they're ready to take down the americans because of what they've done. We're there for oil. Terrorism will never end because terrorists can come from any country, even our precious US of A and terrorism is usually in the longrun fueled by payback or extremist religious people.

 

[jeefunk]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 30 2007, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry but the war on terrorism is a joke. There's no way to stop terrorists. Every time a little Iraqi kid's dad gets blown up by american soldiers, we've made another terrorist. It's like 9/11. When people's relatives and friends were killed in 9/11 people got angry and wanted to take down the people who did this. It's the same way for the Iraqi people. If their friends or relatives get killed (especially when they're civilians) they're ready to take down the americans because of what they've done. We're there for oil. Terrorism will never end because terrorists can come from any country, even our precious US of A and terrorism is usually in the longrun fueled by payback or extremist religious people.</div>That doesn't mean we can't head some of it off just beacuse it will continue to happen. So we should just roll over and let the Sadda Husseins, Osama Bin Ladens, Hitlers, and Stalins of the world just take over?

 

[DevinHester23]

He's not saying that. We're only there for the oil. It's the truth. The Shah of Iran was a much bigger dick than Saddam, and the U.S. loved him. Why?? B/c he gave us lots of cheap oil. If Saddam would have given us cheap oil, we'd have loved him

 

[PurplePeopleEaters]

Exactly.. If you want to fight your "war on terrorism" go send all the troops into afghanistan (the real people who attacked us on 9/11) and go find Osama already. If we're not gonna do that, what are we doing in the middle east at all? Is making Iraq a "democracy" with american approved leaders really fighting terror at all?

 

[DevinHester23]

The U.S. only cares about what goes on in the Middle East, b/c they have a lot of oil. All this money we've spent on the Iraq war could have been used for looking into alternative energy sources

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 30 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly.. If you want to fight your "war on terrorism" go send all the troops into afghanistan (the real people who attacked us on 9/11) and go find Osama already. If we're not gonna do that, what are we doing in the middle east at all? Is making Iraq a "democracy" with american approved leaders really fighting terror at all?</div>If we're sending troops into the homeland of the people who attacked us, we're sending them into Saudi Arabia.

 

[Capt. Comeback]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 30 2007, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If we're sending troops into the homeland of the people who attacked us, we're sending them into Saudi Arabia.</div>Better than sending billions of dollars and troops to the stupid fucks in Iraq. Why would you go after Saddam Hussein for weapons of mass destruction and then be concerned about oil? The president needs a pink slip, and it would be about god damn time.

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jan 30 2007, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 30 2007, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If we're sending troops into the homeland of the people who attacked us, we're sending them into Saudi Arabia.</div>Better than sending billions of dollars and troops to the stupid fucks in Iraq. Why would you go after Saddam Hussein for weapons of mass destruction and then be concerned about oil? The president needs a pink slip, and it would be about god damn time.</div>Unfortuantly, in the U.S. we have this system known as "screw you for voting me"

 

[jeefunk]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 30 2007, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly.. If you want to fight your "war on terrorism" go send all the troops into afghanistan (the real people who attacked us on 9/11) and go find Osama already. If we're not gonna do that, what are we doing in the middle east at all? Is making Iraq a "democracy" with american approved leaders really fighting terror at all?</div>uhh....we have troops in afghanistan

 

[MeInMyNigBeBallin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 30 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly.. If you want to fight your "war on terrorism" go send all the troops into afghanistan (the real people who attacked us on 9/11) and go find Osama already. If we're not gonna do that, what are we doing in the middle east at all? Is making Iraq a "democracy" with american approved leaders really fighting terror at all?</div> The Afghani people had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, a select group of mostly Pakistani militants (The Taliban) let other mostly foreign militants (Al Qaeda) do what they want while protecting them...We have killed most of the people directly involved with 9/11...Much of the Al-Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan and people that have fled... All we are doing in Afghanistan is killing returning Taliban and keeping places secure so the government there can do it's job... What else do you want us to do in Afghanistan? We don't need more troops there....Usama Bin Laden is nearly impossible to find...he will die of health problems (he's only in his mid-50's) or he will be killed by his followers before he is ever taken alive...He's pretty much been reduced to nothing anyway, he can no longer plan attacks while being on the run and his leadership has been scattered and killed...Thats why I don't care if he's killed or not, yes it would be great to see him killed but he's so isolated that he's no longer actively doing anything. Say what you want about the Iraq War being a disaster...helping rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein has been great for the future of that country...It's going to be hard to get Iraq going because it's been a mess for so long...things like this take time...those people have been through so much.

 

[PurplePeopleEaters]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 31 2007, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 30 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly.. If you want to fight your "war on terrorism" go send all the troops into afghanistan (the real people who attacked us on 9/11) and go find Osama already. If we're not gonna do that, what are we doing in the middle east at all? Is making Iraq a "democracy" with american approved leaders really fighting terror at all?</div> The Afghani people had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, a select group of mostly Pakistani militants (The Taliban) let other mostly foreign militants (Al Qaeda) do what they want while protecting them...We have killed most of the people directly involved with 9/11...Much of the Al-Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan and people that have fled... All we are doing in Afghanistan is killing returning Taliban and keeping places secure so the government there can do it's job... What else do you want us to do in Afghanistan? We don't need more troops there....Usama Bin Laden is nearly impossible to find...he will die of health problems (he's only in his mid-50's) or he will be killed by his followers before he is ever taken alive...He's pretty much been reduced to nothing anyway, he can no longer plan attacks while being on the run and his leadership has been scattered and killed...Thats why I don't care if he's killed or not, yes it would be great to see him killed but he's so isolated that he's no longer actively doing anything.</div>My point is if we're going to fight a senseless war, we might as well do it there or in saudi arabia. That's why it's about oil. We're allies with Saudi Arabia and they provide us with oil. Admit it.. The war on "terror" is stupid and makes no sense whatsoever. You're just avoiding my original argument to fight against another one.

 

[MeInMyNigBeBallin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 31 2007, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My point is if we're going to fight a senseless war, we might as well do it there or in saudi arabia. That's why it's about oil. We're allies with Saudi Arabia and they provide us with oil. Admit it.. The war on "terror" is stupid and makes no sense whatsoever. You're just avoiding my original argument to fight against another one.</div> I wouldn't call the Iraq War senseless, it's planning has been flawed and the war has been mishandled but senseless no...Sure we went into Iraq for the oil, I agree. But those poor people deserve better and it's going to take time to get things going there...it's just a terrible situation right now. Why would we go to war with Saudi Arabia? What have they done? The war on terror stupid? I agree...but nobody really knows what the war on terror is...I think our intelligence services are doing a terrific job stopping terrorism...thats really stuck out to me. I'm not avoiding any of your argument, I just thought i'd point out that the Afghani people were not responsible for 9/11...I have mixed views on the war if you haven't noticed...

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 31 2007, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 31 2007, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My point is if we're going to fight a senseless war, we might as well do it there or in saudi arabia. That's why it's about oil. We're allies with Saudi Arabia and they provide us with oil. Admit it.. The war on "terror" is stupid and makes no sense whatsoever. You're just avoiding my original argument to fight against another one.</div> I wouldn't call the Iraq War senseless, it's planning has been flawed and the war has been mishandled but senseless no...Sure we went into Iraq for the oil, I agree. But those poor people deserve better and it's going to take time to get things going there...it's just a terrible situation right now. Why would we go to war with Saudi Arabia? What have they done?The war on terror stupid? I agree...but nobody really knows what the war on terror is...I think our intelligence services are doing a terrific job stopping terrorism...thats really stuck out to me.I'm not avoiding any of your argument, I just thought i'd point out that the Afghani people were not responsible for 9/11...I have mixed views on the war if you haven't noticed...</div>If they didn't give us oil, we would go to war with them.

 

[MeInMyNigBeBallin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DevinHester23 @ Jan 31 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 31 2007, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 31 2007, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My point is if we're going to fight a senseless war, we might as well do it there or in saudi arabia. That's why it's about oil. We're allies with Saudi Arabia and they provide us with oil. Admit it.. The war on "terror" is stupid and makes no sense whatsoever. You're just avoiding my original argument to fight against another one.</div> I wouldn't call the Iraq War senseless, it's planning has been flawed and the war has been mishandled but senseless no...Sure we went into Iraq for the oil, I agree. But those poor people deserve better and it's going to take time to get things going there...it's just a terrible situation right now. Why would we go to war with Saudi Arabia? What have they done?The war on terror stupid? I agree...but nobody really knows what the war on terror is...I think our intelligence services are doing a terrific job stopping terrorism...thats really stuck out to me.I'm not avoiding any of your argument, I just thought i'd point out that the Afghani people were not responsible for 9/11...I have mixed views on the war if you haven't noticed...</div>If they didn't give us oil, we would go to war with them.</div> If they didn't give us oil that country would be bankrupt and worthless internationally.

 

[DevinHester23]

[quote name='BrewCityBuck' post='83089' date='Jan 31 2007, 03:38 PM'][quote name='DevinHester23' post='83078' date='Jan 31 2007, 01:27 PM'][quote name='BrewCityBuck' post='83055' date='Jan 31 2007, 12:15 PM'][quote name='PurplePeopleEaters' post='83054' date='Jan 31 2007, 10:05 AM']My point is if we're going to fight a senseless war, we might as well do it there or in saudi arabia. That's why it's about oil. We're allies with Saudi Arabia and they provide us with oil. Admit it.. The war on "terror" is stupid and makes no sense whatsoever. You're just avoiding my original argument to fight against another one.[/quote] I wouldn't call the Iraq War senseless, it's planning has been flawed and the war has been mishandled but senseless no...Sure we went into Iraq for the oil, I agree. But those poor people deserve better and it's going to take time to get things going there...it's just a terrible situation right now. Why would we go to war with Saudi Arabia? What have they done?The war on terror stupid? I agree...but nobody really knows what the war on terror is...I think our intelligence services are doing a terrific job stopping terrorism...thats really stuck out to me.I'm not avoiding any of your argument, I just thought i'd point out that the Afghani people were not responsible for 9/11...I have mixed views on the war if you haven't noticed...[/quote]If they didn't give us oil, we would go to war with them.[/quote]If they didn't give us oil that country would be bankrupt and worthless internationally.[/quote]You know why we loved the Shah of Iran in the 70s even though he was a bigger dick than Saddam?? B/c he gave us a shitload of cheap oil. The U.S. only cares what goes on there b/c of the fucking oil. However, the people are too stupid to realize this, the government knows that, and they just give some excuse so that they can get the support of the general public. How does it sound if you tell people you're there for oil??