49.7 million Americans in poverty (1 Viewer)

[maxiep]

But Romney wanted to decrease taxes by 20% across the board. So according to you, Romeny was not going to get us out of this hole either.

That's patently disingenuous. He was going to eliminate loopholes in concert with cutting tax rates.

 

[maxiep]

I think we should pay for the government for which we voted. It's time to see what radically increasing the size and scope of government actually costs. I'm willing to increase my taxes as long every EVERY OTHER person who reports income does as well. We'll see how much people on the lower end enjoy big government.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Well the democrats think large government (politics) does. So far it hasn't proved it can. Even looking back at the Clinton Administration; many of the fiscal plans were adopted from the GOP. This was why he was able to get economic issues passed. Him and Reagan were great at keeping both sides happy. Bush's and Obama have both failed miserably.

And republicans think that total market control does. Either way, it's a handful of people trying to take your money. Neither way is going to eliminate poverty so as long as we're placing profits over people.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think we should pay for the government for which we voted. It's time to see what radically increasing the size and scope of government actually costs. I'm willing to increase my taxes as long every EVERY OTHER person who reports income does as well. We'll see how much people on the lower end enjoy big government.

Talk about disingenuous . . . you aren't even working anymore, much less pay taxes.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's patently disingenuous. He was going to eliminate loopholes in concert with cutting tax rates.

Yes he was. However, every additional dollar a person made would be taxed at the lower rate. How Romney and Ryan failed to make that clear to people....

 

[maxiep]

Talk about disingenuous . . . you aren't even working anymore, much less pay taxes.

I'll continue to work; we're just winding down instead of continuing to grow. As for the taxes I pay; I guarantee you I'll continue to pay more in taxes than do you. Not just by a little; by a wide margin.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/wal-mart-company-statistics/

this should give those doubters some pause.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/1...ount-black-friday-job-action/?test=latestnews

Employees were told that they would have to pay a larger share of their health care....you know that Walmart will just cut most of the employees back to part time if they fight this ..

Man, how could people not see the train wreck that is going to happen..and its only a little over one week post election..

 

[MARIS61]

I don't disagree with you there. Absolutely they will take whatever the government will hand them. I am saying that the concept is fine until the money runs out. Then economic collapse and extremely high inflation will occur. See Carter's presidency.

I lived through Carter's Presidency. No such disaster happened. Few Americans suffered financially until Reagan crushed the unions, starting the great transfer of wealth from Real Americans to the privileged and lazy few.

Compared to Reagan and Baby Bush, Carter was a fiscal conservative.

 

[MARIS61]

That's patently disingenuous. He was going to eliminate loopholes in concert with cutting tax rates.

What are you, 3 years old?

Not even Romney's top backers believe that shit.

 

[Denny Crane]

I lived through Carter's Presidency. No such disaster happened. Few Americans suffered financially until Reagan crushed the unions, starting the great transfer of wealth from Real Americans to the privileged and lazy few.

Compared to Reagan and Baby Bush, Carter was a fiscal conservative.

How were those 20% mortgage rates for your business?

 

[jlprk]

Whoopee, Carter had 1 bad year of inflation. It had been building for years before him, but the 1979 Iranian revolution made for a lot of uncertainty in oil prices.

No matter how many negative stats you can find about the last 4 years, Obama's 326 electoral vote mandate should tell you to give up. Everyone except the Republican minority blames Bush for the Obama economy.

 

[Denny Crane]

Carter had 4 years of what you'd expect from a terrible presidency.

No more, no less.

 

[jlprk]

For 40 years, Republicans have been so embarrassed over Nixon that they have whipped Carter, a fine president.

 

[magnifier661]

And republicans think that total market control does. Either way, it's a handful of people trying to take your money. Neither way is going to eliminate poverty so as long as we're placing profits over people.

You're right it doesn't stop poverty; people working hard and stop accepting hand me downs will solve poverty.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

You're right it doesn't stop poverty; people working hard and stop accepting hand me downs will solve poverty.

this is one of the great republican lies. what, do you think the people who are poverty-stricken are just lazy? there's no such thing as bad circumstances? do you know how many blue collar jobs have been shipped out of the country in the past 50 years?

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.pbs.org/legacy/documentary/index.html

When the liberal social programs fail 4 generations of the same families, the problem isn't with the people.

 

[PapaG]

But Romney wanted to decrease taxes by 20% across the board. So according to you, Romeny was not going to get us out of this hole either.

No he didn't. What?

 

[magnifier661]

this is one of the great republican lies. what, do you think the people who are poverty-stricken are just lazy? there's no such thing as bad circumstances? do you know how many blue collar jobs have been shipped out of the country in the past 50 years?

I know how many have been shipped out because of the federal and state government setting higher taxes more restrictions and regulations. So if a business can go across borders and save themselves billions is a bad decision?

 

[BrianFromWA]

this may be a bit of a thread hijack, but I think the question needs to be asked....what obligation does, say, Ford or Boeing or any other US-based multi-national corporation have to employ a US adult at a minimum wage set by the government?

 

[Denny Crane]

this may be a bit of a thread hijack, but I think the question needs to be asked....what obligation does, say, Ford or Boeing or any other US-based multi-national corporation have to employ a US adult at a minimum wage set by the government?

Minimum wage is a federal law (Fair Labor Standards Act) enforced by the Dept. of Labor. I think companies with less than $1M in revenue and that do not operate across state lines are exempt. States may enact their own minimum wage. Where both state and federal minimum wage applies to a worker, the higher wage is used.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I guess my question is what obligation is there to provide Americans jobs? Why should a company not outsource as much as possible, as cheaply as possible? Why pay me $30/hr + benefits when some 16 y/o in India will do it for 5 dollars a day? Why do you never see Americans working on cruise lines? Because they are able to hire international people for $450/mo. to work 10months on /2 months off, 70-80 hrs a week and the people are not only happy to have a job, but have money to send home. Do you think the call center employees in the Philippines are getting minimum wage to answer your phone? What obligation is there to set up one in Scranton, PA where your labor costs are 5-10x more expensive?

 

[Denny Crane]

There is some balance where you pay people too little and they can't afford to buy what you make and sell.

Up periscope to spy on the cruise liners?

 

[BrianFromWA]

boomers run away from them, though there aren't a whole lot of cruise liners where we operate.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

There is some balance where you pay people too little and they can't afford to buy what you make and sell.

Up periscope to spy on the cruise liners?

good point Denny, ei Henry Ford

 

[ABM]

So, Romney misstated.....meant 49 mil, rather than 49%?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I remembered this and topic aside, it is a crack up. Here is a short and interesting debate at Oregon State University

 

[PapaG]

I remembered this and topic aside, it is a crack up. Here is a short and interesting debate at Oregon State University

That was a great link. The analogies aren't perfect, but they do address my main beefs with Obama, which are to take credit for taking from some and giving to others while having no sacrifice of his own, and then calling himself the hero and those who he is taking from the villains. It is warped, when you really think about it.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I know how many have been shipped out because of the federal and state government setting higher taxes more restrictions and regulations. So if a business can go across borders and save themselves billions is a bad decision?

Yes, yes it is. It's placing profits over people. Those people are now jobless, many of them veterans, live in poverty stricken areas of the country and did not receive college educations. And you are saying that they're lazy because what, they have a family to feed and need government assistance? How are they supposed to find jobs when what they know how to do is being shipped overseas so CEOs can get pay raises? This has been going on for decades.

 

[maxiep]

Yes, yes it is. It's placing profits over people. Those people are now jobless, many of them veterans, live in poverty stricken areas of the country and did not receive college educations. And you are saying that they're lazy because what, they have a family to feed and need government assistance? How are they supposed to find jobs when what they know how to do is being shipped overseas so CEOs can get pay raises? This has been going on for decades.

Everyone has a responsibility to keep their skills up to date. If they don't, they get left behind. No one is owed a job. I know what I wrote sounds cold, but that outlook provides the best possible society for all. A society works best when everyone is working on self-improvement, when they're willing to pull the cart. It's when people give up or decide that they'll just take government assistance is when we're in trouble. And right now we have too many people riding in the cart. In the long run, a society simply can't function under those conditions.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Everyone has a responsibility to keep their skills up to date. If they don't, they get left behind. No one is owed a job. I know what I wrote sounds cold, but that outlook provides the best possible society for all. A society works best when everyone is working on self-improvement, when they're willing to pull the cart. It's when people give up or decide that they'll just take government assistance is when we're in trouble. And right now we have too many people riding in the cart. In the long run, a society simply can't function under those conditions.

No one is owed a job, sure. But due to our labor laws (i.e. industry regulations) people lost and are still losing their jobs. "Keeping your skills up to date" means "go into the service economy because the job you had is cheaper when done by someone in China." Go ahead, family farmers out of work, "work on self-improvement." I'm sure one of you will pull yourself up by your bootstraps and strike it rich because of your essential American greatness.