Notice 5 Updated Kyrie Irving Trade Packages Cleveland Cavaliers Should Consider (3 Blazers deals)

[Sarni]

There is no point trading for Irving from Blazers perspective. Best case scenario, if we traded CJ or Dame for him (which we would need to to get him), e would MAYBE make us marginally better (and most likely he wouldn't even do that).

I think he will go to Phoenix. They are capable of putting together the best trade package. He probably wants to go to New York but they will find it hard to find a deal good enough for Cavaliers. Maybe Anthony + Ntilikina/Hernangomez + first round picj but Anthony apparently doesn't even want to go there. New York with Irving and Porzingis would be nice though, I am going to NY for over a week in January and staying 200 meters from Madison Square Garden so even more reason to want this for me (I cannot wait for that trip!!).

 

[Mediocre Man]

He'll end up in Phoenix

 

[stampedehero]

How much more of "Portlands' future" can the fans be satisfied with? If this happened and we get Irving and Chumpert I do not see real advantages for this franchise where we win 10 of more games and progress to the second round..

 

[SwissBlazer]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-packages-cleveland-cavaliers-should-consider

Lost one minute of my life for this. You should be banned.

 

[BBert]

It's a stupid opinion, and if the author thinks it'd be a good move to trade Dame for Kyrie, he doesn't know Portland, doesn't watch enough basketball, and doesn't understand the difference in contract situations, thus making him uneducated on the topic, thus making his opinion stupid.

Those were fanboi trades designed to help the Cavs, without regard for the Blazers.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Lost one minute of my life for this. You should be banned.

Can SPD ban himself?

 

[BlayZa]

writer seems to just be a closet dame and cj fan who was dying to write an article about pipe-dream ways to acquire them.

 

[BigGameDamian]

writer seems to just be a closet dame and cj fan who was dying to write an article about pipe-dream ways to acquire them.

How do you know this?

 

[BonesJones]

How do you know this?

"Seems to be..."

 

[Chris Craig]

Aminu a wing

 

[Sarni]

He'll end up in Phoenix

He has to. Irving/Booker/Jackson/Chriss/Whoever they can get at Center would be a lineup with good potential. I think they could still trade for Drummond.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

For the record: I would NOT trade Dame for Kyrie. Dame obviously is untouchable - unless we get a Kawhi type of takent in return.

For conversation purposes....

Kyrie arguably has the best handles right now in the NBA. Some pundits have even said top-10 ...ever.

CJ has some of the best handles and isn't too far behind Kyrie in that department.

This backcourt would be fun to watch ....and impossible to guard.

 

[BlayZa]

How do you know this?

did you even read the article?

you can't be that simple

3 of the 5 include blazers

2 include dame
1 CJ
2 even include aminu.

please spend some time investigating the notion of the phrase 'seems to be' and relate that the story (evidence) you posted.

the pipe-dream, well that comes.. ah forget it.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Blazinaway]

smart move by Bos IMO

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Cleveland got better imo, Kyrie is the best player in the deal but Cleveland filled some holes and got a good pick

 

[Minstrel]

Cleveland got better imo, Kyrie is the best player in the deal but Cleveland filled some holes and got a good pick

The value is fine in a vacuum if this goes through, but the draft pick doesn't help them beat Golden State. By the time it becomes a meaningful player (assuming they pick well), LeBron may be declining or gone. I'd probably rather have Irving over both Thomas and Crowder. Crowder helps them, giving them a two-way wing, but not enough to overcome the downgrade from Irving to Thomas. As bad as Irving is on defense, Thomas is even worse. And I'd trust Irving more offensively against playoff defenses.

In fact, Cleveland might not even get past Boston if this goes through. I wonder if this trade (again assuming it actually happens) is Cleveland basically conceding James is gone next off-season--otherwise, I can't see them trading their second-best player to their biggest conference threat.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The value is fine in a vacuum if this goes through, but the draft pick doesn't help them beat Golden State. By the time it becomes a meaningful player (assuming they pick well), LeBron may be declining or gone. I'd probably rather have Irving over both Thomas and Crowder. Crowder helps them, giving them a two-way wing, but not enough to overcome the downgrade from Irving to Thomas. As bad as Irving is on defense, Thomas is even worse. And I'd trust Irving more offensively against playoff defenses.

In fact, Cleveland might not even get past Boston if this goes through. I wonder if this trade (again assuming it actually happens) is Cleveland basically conceding James is gone next off-season--otherwise, I can't see them trading their second-best player to their biggest conference threat.

The pick can be used to be packaged for a better player.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Cleveland got better imo, Kyrie is the best player in the deal but Cleveland filled some holes and got a good pick

I agree, IT and LeBron should be a pretty sweet uptempo combo. Crowder would help out as well.

 

[Minstrel]

The pick can be used to be packaged for a better player.

I think they're going to hold onto it and rebuild when James leaves. I can't think of a top contender ever trading a star to it's biggest competition (within the conference). I don't think they expect to remain at the top of the conference, because I don't think they expect James to stay.

 

[riverman]

I think they're going to hold onto it and rebuild when James leaves. I can't think of a top contender ever trading a star to it's biggest competition (within the conference). I don't think they expect to remain at the top of the conference, because I don't think they expect James to stay.

Lebron won't leave....he has a cakewalk to the finals in the east and they just got better.....as he gets older, he'll probably retire a Cav and end up owning the team one day. I mentioned in another thread.....the Lakers are generating this Lebron buzz through the media....all projection..will Ball want to play with Lebron articles....pure bs in my view

 

[Blazinaway]

Lebron won't leave....he has a cakewalk to the finals in the east and they just got better.....as he gets older, he'll probably retire a Cav and end up owning the team one day. I mentioned in another thread.....the Lakers are generating this Lebron buzz through the media....all projection..will Ball want to play with Lebron articles....pure bs in my view

I think Bron is 60/40 to leave, however if Cle wanted to parlay that Brooklyn UNPROTECTED #1 next yr pick into another high caliber player - they also now have the flexibility to do that. And that could help them keep Lebron - especially if they could beat GS

 

[Minstrel]

Lebron won't leave....he has a cakewalk to the finals in the east and they just got better.....

I don't agree at all that they got better. Crowder's a nice fit as a role-player, but Thomas is a significant downgrade from Irving, IMO. Especially on defense. Losing that much defense at point guard (even over Irving's uninspiring defense) is more meaningful, IMO, than the defensive upgrade of Crowder over JR Smith or Shumpert (I assume Crowder will play the 2 in Cleveland, since they have James and Love for the 3/4).

 

[riverman]

I don't agree at all that they got better. Crowder's a nice fit as a role-player, but Thomas is a significant downgrade from Irving, IMO. Especially on defense. Losing that much defense at point guard (even over Irving's uninspiring defense) is more meaningful, IMO, than the defensive upgrade of Crowder over JR Smith or Shumpert (I assume Crowder will play the 2 in Cleveland, since they have James and Love for the 3/4).

They have to outscore the Warriors....they're not winning grinding out games Memphis style and I think they know that..

 

[Minstrel]

They have to outscore the Warriors....they're not winning grinding out games Memphis style and I think they know that..

You always have to outscore the other team to win. It's just harder when you're giving up more and more points. Golden State has a great defense to go with a great offense. Cleveland has a mediocre defense to go with a great offense. At best, their defense stayed the same--IMO, it got a bit worse.

 

[riverman]

You always have to outscore the other team to win. It's just harder when you're giving up more and more points. Golden State has a great defense to go with a great offense. Cleveland has a mediocre defense to go with a great offense. At best, their defense stayed the same--IMO, it got a bit worse.

speed is the difference...and you have to score a ton of points against the Warriors which the Cavs couldn't produce consistently....the Warriors have to chase IT around too...the faster the Cavs play, the more it taxes Golden States defenders...and they never get tested much in terms of pace....now, maybe they will

 

[Minstrel]

speed is the difference...and you have to score a ton of points against the Warriors which the Cavs couldn't produce consistently....the Warriors have to chase IT around too...the faster the Cavs play, the more it taxes Golden States defenders...and they never get tested much in terms of pace....now, maybe they will

I don't think the problem was pace at all. Cleveland played at a very fast pace in the Finals--people questioned Lue for doing that since it seemed to play to Golden State's strengths. And why would fast pace be harder on Golden State's excellent defenders than on Cleveland's poor ones (outside of James and now Crowder)? Golden State loves up-and-down games. If anything, it's going to wear James out, since he has to play huge minutes for Cleveland to be even remotely competitive.

 

[riverman]

I don't think the problem was pace at all. Cleveland played at a very fast pace in the Finals--people questioned Lue for doing that since it seemed to play to Golden State's strengths. And why would fast pace be harder on Golden State's excellent defenders than on Cleveland's poor ones (outside of James and now Crowder)? Golden State loves up-and-down games. If anything, it's going to wear James out, since he has to play huge minutes for Cleveland to be even remotely competitive.

Cavs couldn't do it consistently....and score enough....when the slow way down GS kills them with the 3